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Post by dragonV on Sept 20, 2021 21:08:35 GMT -5
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Post by goodfellas27 on Sept 20, 2021 23:55:43 GMT -5
QA team needs help
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Post by routlaw on Sept 21, 2021 15:05:39 GMT -5
This was a good review, down to earth and seemingly very honest. From what I take away from this is, Dirac really is the culprit with the majority of the hangups. Now whether this has to do with Dirac itself or Emotiva's implementation of Dirac I don't know. With this in mind at least for the foreseeable future I'll probably not install and use Dirac until things are completely worked out. However one week into ownership of the RMC-1L I have also experienced a few glitches myself though nothing on the order this guy did with the XMC-2. Thus far mine have been minor and only slightly annoying and to be fair I'm not sure on most if not all cases it was something I might have done wrong at the time. Suffice it to say these are very complex and obviously sensitive devices. Perhaps Emotiva got in over their head on this one, but hope at some point they can work through the bugs.
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Post by jsan on Sept 21, 2021 15:37:07 GMT -5
And even without Dirac which unit sounds better? Emotiva again. I am not saying people have not had issues- I have a few, but the service from Emotiva has been stellar. Do I wish everything was perfect, sure. However, how many of these very complicated, multi-channel processors have some issues? The answer is all of them until you get to the Trinnov level of pricing and then you need a pro to come in and set it up!
I’m not carrying water for Emo- I want any real issues resolved, however the bottom line with these units is the sound! I bought because I want the best sound I can get for my money. My RMC-1 sounds incredible. This review was good, but it seems he chose set up and interface over sound quality. I appreciate the honest experience, Dirac can be a challenge but it made a huge difference in my room. Plus, if we are being fair, the Anthem is $800 more than the XMC-2 so I would expect it to sound better than the XMC-2 and it did not.
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Post by fequois on Sept 21, 2021 16:27:39 GMT -5
I should be getting my AVM70 within the next couple of weeks hopefully, as I’ve waited since May. I have an XMC-2 currently so I’ll be doing a direct comparison myself.
I’m willing to, at this point, sacrifice sound quality for stability. That said, I experience quite a few audio-related issues already so that might not even be necessary.
I guess I’ll soon find out if the grass is any greener on the other side or not. If it isn’t, I really don’t know what to do. Marantz?
If anybody is interested I’ll try to write up my impressions once I’ve received the unit. Same goes for any questions or requests.
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Post by Soup on Sept 21, 2021 18:48:33 GMT -5
As an Anthem fan, I'd be very interested. I owned the AVM60, but an now running an MRX 1120. Love ❤ my Anthem. Never an issue with firmware or bugs...
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Post by creimes on Sept 21, 2021 20:34:00 GMT -5
I love my XMC-1, zero issues for me and the 2ch sound is incredible IMO considering it's a surround processor, but at heart it's also a great 2ch pre and for me 2ch SQ is very important as I do not have room for two separate setups.
Chad
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Post by fequois on Sept 23, 2021 9:16:32 GMT -5
As an Anthem fan, I'd be very interested. I owned the AVM60, but an now running an MRX 1120. Love ❤ my Anthem. Never an issue with firmware or bugs... Same here. I ran with a MRX 720 before I upped the home cinema budget and got my Emotiva gear, but that receiver was rock-solid. Well, it still is because my parents use it now! My delivery is set for end of the month but I’ll keep this tab open so I can give you some info on it! |
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Post by fequois on Oct 4, 2021 13:07:45 GMT -5
As an Anthem fan, I'd be very interested. I owned the AVM60, but an now running an MRX 1120. Love ❤ my Anthem. Never an issue with firmware or bugs... I've had my AVM 70 now for a few days and so far, and fingers crossed, I'm very happy with it! I'm not very good at writing about products and stuff, but here are some of my initial observations: - ARC room calibration worked on my first try (wirelessly no less). - HDMI CEC worked on first try after toggling the checkbox. - Setup through the web UI is a breeze and changes are immediate. - The display on the unit is also large and the UI clear. - The unit is super snappy, everything is instantaneous. The sound, most importantly, is fantastic. I haven't had a chance to make any fair side-by-side comparisons, and as we already know, the sound from the XMC-2 is great, too. If there's anything in particular I can answer or look into for any of you, please ask. |
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Post by Soup on Oct 4, 2021 19:11:28 GMT -5
Appreciate the feedback.
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Post by bolle on Oct 15, 2021 6:23:00 GMT -5
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 15, 2021 10:04:35 GMT -5
I love my XMC-1, zero issues for me and the 2ch sound is incredible IMO considering it's a surround processor, but at heart it's also a great 2ch pre and for me 2ch SQ is very important as I do not have room for two separate setups. Chad I look forward to the day when guys can stop saying “considering it’s an AV processor” in the context of its stellar audio capabilities! I get why you said it, but there’s no build quality reason why fine crafted units like the XMC can’t deliver audio quality on an equal level with the finest stereo preamps. The only difference is the competent AV can do a hell of a lot more. I’m “damaged goods” when it comes to the XMC2 and I apologize for continuing to harp on it. The 2012 horse 🐴 race between ATMOS introduction and the XMC1 was a tough time for guys like me. It also underscores why in 2021, the refurbished units remain such a hot ticket. |
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Post by creimes on Oct 15, 2021 12:59:16 GMT -5
I love my XMC-1, zero issues for me and the 2ch sound is incredible IMO considering it's a surround processor, but at heart it's also a great 2ch pre and for me 2ch SQ is very important as I do not have room for two separate setups. Chad I look forward to the day when guys can stop saying “considering it’s an AV processor” in the context of its stellar audio capabilities! I get why you said it, but there’s no build quality reason why fine crafted units like the XMC can’t deliver audio quality on an equal level with the finest stereo preamps. The only difference is the competent AV can do a hell of a lot more. I’m “damaged goods” when it comes to the XMC2 and I apologize for continuing to harp on it. The 2012 horse 🐴 race between ATMOS introduction and the XMC1 was a tough time for guys like me. It also underscores why in 2021, the refurbished units remain such a hot ticket. Exactly, I say it as most can't get over the fact that a processor meant to do 2ch to 7.1 can actually achieve really great results for 2ch use, is there better well prob and is there worse hell yeah there is, much worse IMO. Chad |
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Post by jbrunwa on Oct 26, 2021 13:29:21 GMT -5
As an Anthem fan, I'd be very interested. I owned the AVM60, but an now running an MRX 1120. Love ❤ my Anthem. Never an issue with firmware or bugs... I've had my AVM 70 now for a few days and so far, and fingers crossed, I'm very happy with it! I'm not very good at writing about products and stuff, but here are some of my initial observations: - ARC room calibration worked on my first try (wirelessly no less). - HDMI CEC worked on first try after toggling the checkbox. - Setup through the web UI is a breeze and changes are immediate. - The display on the unit is also large and the UI clear. - The unit is super snappy, everything is instantaneous. The sound, most importantly, is fantastic. I haven't had a chance to make any fair side-by-side comparisons, and as we already know, the sound from the XMC-2 is great, too. If there's anything in particular I can answer or look into for any of you, please ask. I’d be interested to hear a comparison of HDMI switching times from selection to video and audio lock, and video or audio dropouts when watching programs or when modes change like during commercials, between songs, etc. |
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Post by fequois on Oct 26, 2021 14:15:23 GMT -5
I've had my AVM 70 now for a few days and so far, and fingers crossed, I'm very happy with it! I'm not very good at writing about products and stuff, but here are some of my initial observations: - ARC room calibration worked on my first try (wirelessly no less). - HDMI CEC worked on first try after toggling the checkbox. - Setup through the web UI is a breeze and changes are immediate. - The display on the unit is also large and the UI clear. - The unit is super snappy, everything is instantaneous. The sound, most importantly, is fantastic. I haven't had a chance to make any fair side-by-side comparisons, and as we already know, the sound from the XMC-2 is great, too. If there's anything in particular I can answer or look into for any of you, please ask. I’d be interested to hear a comparison of HDMI switching times from selection to video and audio lock, and video or audio dropouts when watching programs or when modes change like during commercials, between songs, etc. It's immediate with no dropouts. I'm saying this from memory so I can't guarantee it, but I certainly haven't noticed anything. I'm on my way to watch some TV now so if I haven't updated this by tomorrow then my above answer remains valid from my POV. |
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Post by cwt on Oct 27, 2021 1:50:35 GMT -5
it's immediate with no dropouts. I'm saying this from memory so I can't guarantee it, but I certainly haven't noticed anything. I'm on my way to watch some TV now so if I haven't updated this by tomorrow then my above answer remains valid from my POV. Its pretty impressive how Anthem has fixed the firmware so quickly after the 1st bad hiccups  |
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Post by Soup on Oct 27, 2021 2:33:02 GMT -5
Let's Go Anthem!
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Post by vcautokid on Oct 27, 2021 8:08:05 GMT -5
Your mileage may very is the best I can say about most AV today. HDMI is what it is, HDCP is no one's friend. And the complex audio schemes make it so much more challenging. Room correction, streaming, automation compliance. And more make these computers which they are. "Processor" after all. Being in the industry for so many years and in I.T. lets me see things out there that amazes me good and not so good. Lets say I am a healthy skeptic. Most are going to be fine. Some will not. Some are in the middle. The Emotiva Processors above always sound great. Main core value that is solid bar none. The computer parts? That is tricky. The associated gear, cabling, network, everything make this roller coaster ride everyone to less or greater degree takes. I still think the XMC-1 is still their best premier product made by Emotiva for AV. I have no history with RMC or XMC2. How much of this is industry, or Emotiva, I have no clue. Everyone struggles with 2.1 for instance. I think the philosophy of not being all things to all people is a wise choice here. But certain things the Anthem does and how it fixes bugs and has the more polished experience sounds about right. The sound of the Emotiva would be better than the Anthem. Yes I sold Anthem and own a legacy Anthem product too. As long as sound matters and the behavior of the Processor is acceptable to you in your environment, the Emotiva Processors will do well. Again, your mileage may vary.
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Post by cawgijoe on Oct 27, 2021 9:35:09 GMT -5
Your mileage may very is the best I can say about most AV today. HDMI is what it is, HDCP is no one's friend. And the complex audio schemes make it so much more challenging. Room correction, streaming, automation compliance. And more make these computers which they are. "Processor" after all. Being in the industry for so many years and in I.T. lets me see things out there that amazes me good and not so good. Lets say I am a healthy skeptic. Most are going to be fine. Some will not. Some are in the middle. The Emotiva Processors above always sound great. Main core value that is solid bar none. The computer parts? That is tricky. The associated gear, cabling, network, everything make this roller coaster ride everyone to less or greater degree takes. I still think the XMC-1 is still their best premier product made by Emotiva for AV. I have no history with RMC or XMC2. How much of this is industry, or Emotiva, I have no clue. Everyone struggles with 2.1 for instance. I think the philosophy of not being all things to all people is a wise choice here. But certain things the Anthem does and how it fixes bugs and has the more polished experience sounds about right. The sound of the Emotiva would be better than the Anthem. Yes I sold Anthem and own a legacy Anthem product too. As long as sound matters and the behavior of the Processor is acceptable to you in your environment, the Emotiva Processors will do well. Again, your mileage may vary. I'm going to agree with this. I don't own an Anthem product, but a good friend did a couple of years ago. He had the Anthem AVR. The GUI was slick and overall intuitive. It sounded fine to me, but not quite on par with the XMC-1 that I owned at the time. I also felt that the build quality of the Anthem was a touch lower than the Emotiva, but I'm nit-picking here. He ended up getting rid of the Anthem after a couple amp channels failed. Anthem repaired it under warranty. He moved on to a Trinnov product...he has alot more money than I do. I'm quite happy with my XMC-2 and how it works with my current system. The current firmware seems solid and I have not had any weird annomilies in the last year or so. No complaints from the family which is the real test! It would be cool if the Emotiva units had a modern GUI, but I have gotten used to the way they work and to be honest, more complication, more chance for problems. |
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Post by Soup on Oct 27, 2021 15:08:27 GMT -5
Your mileage may very is the best I can say about most AV today. HDMI is what it is, HDCP is no one's friend. And the complex audio schemes make it so much more challenging. Room correction, streaming, automation compliance. And more make these computers which they are. "Processor" after all. Being in the industry for so many years and in I.T. lets me see things out there that amazes me good and not so good. Lets say I am a healthy skeptic. Most are going to be fine. Some will not. Some are in the middle. The Emotiva Processors above always sound great. Main core value that is solid bar none. The computer parts? That is tricky. The associated gear, cabling, network, everything make this roller coaster ride everyone to less or greater degree takes. I still think the XMC-1 is still their best premier product made by Emotiva for AV. I have no history with RMC or XMC2. How much of this is industry, or Emotiva, I have no clue. Everyone struggles with 2.1 for instance. I think the philosophy of not being all things to all people is a wise choice here. But certain things the Anthem does and how it fixes bugs and has the more polished experience sounds about right. The sound of the Emotiva would be better than the Anthem. Yes I sold Anthem and own a legacy Anthem product too. As long as sound matters and the behavior of the Processor is acceptable to you in your environment, the Emotiva Processors will do well. Again, your mileage may vary. Since you have much more experience with Anthem, would love to hear an in-depth review/opinion of Anthem. Fee free to PM me. Thanks again! If I can find an XMC-1 at a great price, i may buy it just to compare for myself! |
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