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Post by thezone on May 19, 2022 19:49:27 GMT -5
So recently I purchased a 3m Zeskit "Maya" series cable to run from my XMC-2 to my Sony OLED and 2 x 1.5m Zeskit "Lite" cables one from my ATV4K and one for my Foxtel to the XMC-2 as these cables have been recommended.
Issue 1
Using my ATV4K directly into my Sony OLED the ATV4K reports that all formats and refresh rates are supported, but when I route HDMI cables through the XMC-2 the ATV4K reports the following format's are not supported:
4K HDR @60hz
4K HDR @59hz
4K SDR @60hz
4K SDR @59hz
Issue 2
There is a random crackling noise coming from the two rear speakers which requires a reboot of the XMC-2 to fix. This has been going on for months but seems to be getting more often of late. Both rear speakers are driven individually by PA-1's.
I am going to open a warranty claim ticket with Emotiva as the XMC-2 with it's HDMI 2.0b and HDCP 2.2 should easily support these formats and well the crackling noise is getting annoying.
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Post by creimes on May 19, 2022 20:26:54 GMT -5
Sell the XMC-2 and get something else ?? haha, my XMC-1's were all rock solid but 1080p, the impending doom of 8K yet so many have issues with 4K lol, 2ch music system seems like a better choice these coming days IMO  |
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Post by hsamwel on May 31, 2022 15:23:35 GMT -5
So recently I purchased a 3m Zeskit "Maya" series cable to run from my XMC-2 to my Sony OLED and 2 x 1.5m Zeskit "Lite" cables one from my ATV4K and one for my Foxtel to the XMC-2 as these cables have been recommended. Issue 1 Using my ATV4K directly into my Sony OLED the ATV4K reports that all formats and refresh rates are supported, but when I route HDMI cables through the XMC-2 the ATV4K reports the following format's are not supported: 4K HDR @60hz 4K HDR @59hz 4K SDR @60hz 4K SDR @59hz Issue 2 There is a random crackling noise coming from the two rear speakers which requires a reboot of the XMC-2 to fix. This has been going on for months but seems to be getting more often of late. Both rear speakers are driven individually by PA-1's. I am going to open a warranty claim ticket with Emotiva as the XMC-2 with it's HDMI 2.0b and HDCP 2.2 should easily support these formats and well the crackling noise is getting annoying. You have to understand that XMC-2 will not amplify the HDMI signal in any way. Connecting through XMC-2 basically sets you up with 3m cable. Don’t know the cables you’ve got but you could try with another. The report back if this made a difference. |
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Post by thezone on May 31, 2022 21:45:36 GMT -5
So recently I purchased a 3m Zeskit "Maya" series cable to run from my XMC-2 to my Sony OLED and 2 x 1.5m Zeskit "Lite" cables one from my ATV4K and one for my Foxtel to the XMC-2 as these cables have been recommended. Issue 1 Using my ATV4K directly into my Sony OLED the ATV4K reports that all formats and refresh rates are supported, but when I route HDMI cables through the XMC-2 the ATV4K reports the following format's are not supported: 4K HDR @60hz 4K HDR @59hz 4K SDR @60hz 4K SDR @59hz Issue 2 There is a random crackling noise coming from the two rear speakers which requires a reboot of the XMC-2 to fix. This has been going on for months but seems to be getting more often of late. Both rear speakers are driven individually by PA-1's. I am going to open a warranty claim ticket with Emotiva as the XMC-2 with it's HDMI 2.0b and HDCP 2.2 should easily support these formats and well the crackling noise is getting annoying. You have to understand that XMC-2 will not amplify the HDMI signal in any way. Connecting through XMC-2 basically sets you up with 3m cable. Don’t know the cables you’ve got but you could try with another. The report back if this made a difference. I am working through this with a tech from Emo atm. This is the second set of cables I have tried now, these are certified cables, how many cables do I need to try before we admit that my XMC-2 will not pass through these formats? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 31, 2022 22:31:51 GMT -5
You have to understand that XMC-2 will not amplify the HDMI signal in any way. Connecting through XMC-2 basically sets you up with 3m cable. Don’t know the cables you’ve got but you could try with another. The report back if this made a difference. I am working through this with a tech from Emo atm. This is the second set of cables I have tried now, these are certified cables, how many cables do I need to try before we admit that the XMC-2 will not pass through these formats? I have used 4K 60(59.94) SDR/HDR/DV with the TV for years without issue, first with the XMC-1 V3 board, and then with the RMC-1. My path is: TV4KG2 —> MP Ultra Slim 8’ —> RMC-1 —> MP Ultra Slim 4’ —> Sony 85x900F. That is not meant to minimize your issues, but rather to say that “we” can’t all “admit” that the G3Ps can’t do this. The thread below covers cables people have used successfully. what cables and lengths are you using in your chain, and how are you determining they don’t work? (I know you mentioned Zeskit Mayas, which I believe have been used successfully, but what lengths are yours?). emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/55536/best-hdmi-cables-xmc-rmc |
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Post by geebo on May 31, 2022 22:49:00 GMT -5
I am working through this with a tech from Emo atm. This is the second set of cables I have tried now, these are certified cables, how many cables do I need to try before we admit that the XMC-2 will not pass through these formats? I have used 4K 60(59.94) SDR/HDR/DV with the TV for years without issue, first with the XMC-1 V3 board, and then with the RMC-1. My path is: TV4KG2 —> MP Ultra Slim 8’ —> RMC-1 —> MP Ultra Slim 4’ —> Sony 85x900F. That is not meant to minimize your issues, but rather to say that “we” can’t all “admit” that the G3Ps can’t do this. The thread below covers cables people have used successfully. what cables and lengths are you using in your chain, and how are you determining they don’t work? (I know you mentioned Zeskit Mayas, which I believe have been used successfully, but what lengths are yours?). emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/55536/best-hdmi-cables-xmc-rmcSame here. My RMC-1L passes 4K 60 without issue using Blue Jeans HDMI cables. I've no doubt you're having issues but a blanket statement that the XMC-2 will not pass those formats is incorrect. |
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Post by thezone on Jun 1, 2022 0:34:06 GMT -5
I have used 4K 60(59.94) SDR/HDR/DV with the TV for years without issue, first with the XMC-1 V3 board, and then with the RMC-1. My path is: TV4KG2 —> MP Ultra Slim 8’ —> RMC-1 —> MP Ultra Slim 4’ —> Sony 85x900F. That is not meant to minimize your issues, but rather to say that “we” can’t all “admit” that the G3Ps can’t do this. The thread below covers cables people have used successfully. what cables and lengths are you using in your chain, and how are you determining they don’t work? (I know you mentioned Zeskit Mayas, which I believe have been used successfully, but what lengths are yours?). emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/55536/best-hdmi-cables-xmc-rmcSame here. My RMC-1L passes 4K 60 without issue using Blue Jeans HDMI cables. I've no doubt you're having issues but a blanket statement that the XMC-2 will not pass those formats is incorrect. My apologies, I changed my post above to read "My" XMC-2 wont pass thru these formats. I have a 3m Zeskit "Maya" series cable to run from my XMC-2 to my Sony OLED and 2 x 1.5m Zeskit "Lite" cables one from my ATV4K and one for my Foxtel to the XMC-2. These cables are certified as Ultra High Speed cables according to HDMIorg. I bought these cables as recommended by doc1963 to test and make sure it wasn’t my old cables before contacting Emotiva but they did not change anything. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 1, 2022 4:34:31 GMT -5
Same here. My RMC-1L passes 4K 60 without issue using Blue Jeans HDMI cables. I've no doubt you're having issues but a blanket statement that the XMC-2 will not pass those formats is incorrect. My apologies, I changed my post above to read "My" XMC-2 wont pass thru these formats. I have a 3m Zeskit "Maya" series cable to run from my XMC-2 to my Sony OLED and 2 x 1.5m Zeskit "Lite" cables one from my ATV4K and one for my Foxtel to the XMC-2. These cables are certified as Ultra High Speed cables according to HDMIorg. I bought these cables as recommended by doc1963 to test and make sure it wasn’t my old cables before contacting Emotiva but they did not change anything. Is it the TV SDR/HDR 60 tests that are failing? Or do you actually have some 60Hz material that won’t play? Are you set to 4:2:2 on the TV? Is it just the TV giving you trouble, or does the Foxtel box deliver 4K/60 material as well (my DirecTV box does have some 4K/60 HLG material that does also work). We point at cables as they’re one of the few variables we have control over, both type and length, yours seem reasonable. |
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Post by thezone on Jun 1, 2022 6:25:39 GMT -5
My apologies, I changed my post above to read "My" XMC-2 wont pass thru these formats. I have a 3m Zeskit "Maya" series cable to run from my XMC-2 to my Sony OLED and 2 x 1.5m Zeskit "Lite" cables one from my ATV4K and one for my Foxtel to the XMC-2. These cables are certified as Ultra High Speed cables according to HDMIorg. I bought these cables as recommended by doc1963 to test and make sure it wasn’t my old cables before contacting Emotiva but they did not change anything. Is it the TV SDR/HDR 60 tests that are failing? Or do you actually have some 60Hz material that won’t play? Are you set to 4:2:2 on the TV? Is it just the TV giving you trouble, or does the Foxtel box deliver 4K/60 material as well (my DirecTV box does have some 4K/60 HLG material that does also work). We point at cables as they’re one of the few variables we have control over, both type and length, yours seem reasonable. - I have the ATV4K set to display format to 4K SDR 50hz as the default resolution HDMI Output as YCbCr, Chroma 4:2:0, the only other option is 4:4:4 which if I pick when the XMC-2 is connected I get a blank screen (If I connect the ATV4K directly to my Sony TV this and all other formats work fine. I don't see a 4:2:2 option at all. - Another issue I have just discovered, If I go the ATV4K Video Format menu and try to change the resolution to 4K HDR 50 or 4K DV 50 I get a black screen and after a while it switches back to the 4KSDR 50. So this tells me that the XMC-2 is not even allowing those 4K formats to play? This is worse than I thought. And this is why when I turn on Match Frame rate and Match resolution any show that is not 24hz will give me a black screen. - The Foxtel box does 4K but most likely only 50hz, so most playback works (Apartment from the usual HMDI BS issues that seem to plague everything). One thing I do get randomly from the Foxtel satellite box, sometimes it will tell me that I can only watch HD as my TV is not 4K capable. This only happens sometimes and only when the XMC-2 is routed before the TV. Again if I connect the Foxtel directly to the TV I don't get this issue. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 1, 2022 7:55:10 GMT -5
Is it the TV SDR/HDR 60 tests that are failing? Or do you actually have some 60Hz material that won’t play? Are you set to 4:2:2 on the TV? Is it just the TV giving you trouble, or does the Foxtel box deliver 4K/60 material as well (my DirecTV box does have some 4K/60 HLG material that does also work). We point at cables as they’re one of the few variables we have control over, both type and length, yours seem reasonable. - I have the ATV4K set to display format to 4K SDR 50hz as the default resolution HDMI Output as YCbCr, Chroma 4:2:0, the only other option is 4:4:4 which if I pick when the XMC-2 is connected I get a blank screen (If I connect the ATV4K directly to my Sony TV this and all other formats work fine. I don't see a 4:2:2 option at all. - Another issue I have just discovered, If I go the ATV4K Video Format menu and try to change the resolution to 4K HDR 50 or 4K DV 50 I get a black screen and after a while it switches back to the 4KSDR 50. So this tells me that the XMC-2 is not even allowing those 4K formats to play? This is worse than I thought. And this is why when I turn on Match Frame rate and Match resolution any show that is not 24hz will give me a black screen. - The Foxtel box does 4K but most likely only 50hz, so most playback works (Apartment from the usual HMDI BS issues that seem to plague everything). One thing I do get randomly from the Foxtel satellite box, sometimes it will tell me that I can only watch HD as my TV is not 4K capable. This only happens sometimes and only when the XMC-2 is routed before the TV. Again if I connect the Foxtel directly to the TV I don't get this issue. Sorry, middle of the night, 4:2:0 is correct. Possibly you’re seeing different results due to the frame rate of the material available in Australia (I hadn’t noticed you were there before, but now remember Foxtel). I’ve never tried 50Hz on the TV, does it pass the 60Hz test? (not sure from your OP) I know Gary Cook (an Aussie) uses an TV an has an XMC-2, to my knowledge he’s been successful, but maybe he’ll notice this and clarify his usage and results. I don’t have any other suggestions (though cables are still a possibility). |
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Post by ttocs on Jun 1, 2022 7:55:21 GMT -5
- I have the ATV4K set to display format to 4K SDR 50hz as the default resolution HDMI Output as YCbCr, Chroma 4:2:0, the only other option is 4:4:4 which if I pick when the XMC-2 is connected I get a blank screen (If I connect the ATV4K directly to my Sony TV this and all other formats work fine. I don't see a 4:2:2 option at all. - Another issue I have just discovered, If I go the ATV4K Video Format menu and try to change the resolution to 4K HDR 50 or 4K DV 50 I get a black screen and after a while it switches back to the 4KSDR 50. So this tells me that the XMC-2 is not even allowing those 4K formats to play? This is worse than I thought. And this is why when I turn on Match Frame rate and Match resolution any show that is not 24hz will give me a black screen. - The Foxtel box does 4K but most likely only 50hz, so most playback works (Apartment from the usual HMDI BS issues that seem to plague everything). One thing I do get randomly from the Foxtel satellite box, sometimes it will tell me that I can only watch HD as my TV is not 4K capable. This only happens sometimes and only when the XMC-2 is routed before the TV. Again if I connect the Foxtel directly to the TV I don't get this issue. Unfortunately, diagnosing this stuff, without a third party testing unit of some kind, is pretty difficult. I struggled with the ATV4K when I upgraded to a Sony DV capable tv and wasn't getting DV. I discovered that cables played a part, but mostly it was the settings on the tv and ATV4K. You probably already have your tv's HDMI input that's used for the processor setup for "Enhanced Format", which allows high bandwidth to flow, which is the first step that played a huge role in getting DV to work in my system. I leave the "Match" settings On. The chroma settings don't even show up for me because the 4K format that is chosen is with Dolby Vision working, so the color options are masked. It kinda sounds like you've already done quite a few things, but still no joy. If it were my system, this is the point in time when I would get down to the most basic setup possible and disconnect all other devices, factory reset the tv, ATV4K, and processor, and begin anew. |
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Post by ttocs on Jun 1, 2022 7:59:42 GMT -5
- I have the ATV4K set to display format to 4K SDR 50hz as the default resolution HDMI Output as YCbCr, Chroma 4:2:0, the only other option is 4:4:4 which if I pick when the XMC-2 is connected I get a blank screen (If I connect the ATV4K directly to my Sony TV this and all other formats work fine. I don't see a 4:2:2 option at all. - Another issue I have just discovered, If I go the ATV4K Video Format menu and try to change the resolution to 4K HDR 50 or 4K DV 50 I get a black screen and after a while it switches back to the 4KSDR 50. So this tells me that the XMC-2 is not even allowing those 4K formats to play? This is worse than I thought. And this is why when I turn on Match Frame rate and Match resolution any show that is not 24hz will give me a black screen. - The Foxtel box does 4K but most likely only 50hz, so most playback works (Apartment from the usual HMDI BS issues that seem to plague everything). One thing I do get randomly from the Foxtel satellite box, sometimes it will tell me that I can only watch HD as my TV is not 4K capable. This only happens sometimes and only when the XMC-2 is routed before the TV. Again if I connect the Foxtel directly to the TV I don't get this issue. Sorry, middle of the night, 4:2:0 is correct. Possibly you’re seeing different results due to the frame rate of the material available in Australia (I hadn’t noticed you were there before, but now remember Foxtel). I’ve never tried 50Hz on the TV, does it pass the 60Hz test? (not sure from your OP) I know Gary Cook (an Aussie) uses an TV an has an XMC-2, to my knowledge he’s been successful, but maybe he’ll notice this and clarify his usage and results. I don’t have any other suggestions (though cables are still a possibility). I see shows with 50Hz all the time. Drive To Survive on NEFTLIX is one of them. All the Formula One stuff is in 50Hz due to originating in Europe. I suspect that 50Hz would be common in areas where 50Hz electric is found. It would be great if Gary, and others from there, could chime in. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 1, 2022 9:46:18 GMT -5
Sorry, middle of the night, 4:2:0 is correct. Possibly you’re seeing different results due to the frame rate of the material available in Australia (I hadn’t noticed you were there before, but now remember Foxtel). I’ve never tried 50Hz on the TV, does it pass the 60Hz test? (not sure from your OP) I know Gary Cook (an Aussie) uses an TV an has an XMC-2, to my knowledge he’s been successful, but maybe he’ll notice this and clarify his usage and results. I don’t have any other suggestions (though cables are still a possibility). I see shows with 50Hz all the time. Drive To Survive on NEFTLIX is one of them. All the Formula One stuff is in 50Hz due to originating in Europe. I suspect that 50Hz would be common in areas where 50Hz electric is found. It would be great if Gary, and others from there, could chime in. You’re right, I could have seen 50Hz material without realizing as I use match frame rate; I also assume that material is produced where 50 Hz power is used, but don’t know the details. |
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Post by hsamwel on Jun 1, 2022 15:27:51 GMT -5
You have to understand that XMC-2 will not amplify the HDMI signal in any way. Connecting through XMC-2 basically sets you up with 3m cable. Don’t know the cables you’ve got but you could try with another. The report back if this made a difference. I am working through this with a tech from Emo atm. This is the second set of cables I have tried now, these are certified cables, how many cables do I need to try before we admit that my XMC-2 will not pass through these formats? First set your AppleTV to a 4k SDR mode. 50 or 60 hz doesn’t matter. Turn on both match frame rate and match colors. This way DV will not be enforced every time you watch anything. It still turns on DV when the source is DV. Does your AppleTV tell you the cables aren’t good enough when you do the cable test? My RMC-1 has always worked with AppleTV with any mode really. Both 4k gen1 and 4k gen2. Personally I don’t believe in those certifications. There are some REALLY thin ”low end” cables that have gotten these high bandwidth certifications. Sometimes they work sometimes not. Note that a thick cable is not a certainty to work either. I read up on user experiences. But I have stayed with the same brand for almost 20 years now regarding video. Supra cables! They have NEVER failed at any length or format. I have actually never heard anyone ever have a Supra cable that failed its specification. IMO using two pretty short 1.5m cables shouldn’t give you any trouble. But still it’s worth a try with some really good cables. You could maybe borrow some? People here usually have some recommendations that work well. |
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Post by hsamwel on Jun 1, 2022 16:03:19 GMT -5
I see shows with 50Hz all the time. Drive To Survive on NEFTLIX is one of them. All the Formula One stuff is in 50Hz due to originating in Europe. I suspect that 50Hz would be common in areas where 50Hz electric is found. It would be great if Gary, and others from there, could chime in. You’re right, I could have seen 50Hz material without realizing as I use match frame rate; I also assume that material is produced where 50 Hz power is used, but don’t know the details. There aren’t much 50hz material. Most are 25hz. It’s from the old PAL standard which is in most countries were 50hz power is used. 50hz frame rate usually are on some exotic disc releases. I’m talking real 50hz material. It’s the same as 60hz in other countries. Sometimes there are documentaries or facts series that are in 50/60 hz, these are mostly converted 25/30hz. But they can indeed be encoded in 50hz on Netflix, Disney or others. Sometimes they have even encoded a 30/60hz original source to 50hz. You will notice some heavy stutter with these. Nowadays I guess there are coming some stuff that are real 50hz as these work on pretty much any TV in the world. It’s more like using different resolutions on a computer rather than being locked to a TV format/power standard. In europe.. Almost all DVD releases are in 25hz, sped up from 23.97hz. Many releases without any fix for the pitch even. Blurays are always released in the original format, regarding video anyway. |
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Post by thezone on Jun 2, 2022 4:36:41 GMT -5
Thanks for all your replies fellas.
Here's the thing. We can talk about refresh rates and HDR, DV etc until the cows come home, but..................
When I connect the ATV4K directly to the Sony TV, none of these issues occur. All of the frame rates are available on the ATV, and no shows drop out to a black screen when match frame rate and match resolution are selected on the ATV.
So, it is not my cables, it is the XMC-2. I really don't think it is any simpler than that.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 2, 2022 5:08:47 GMT -5
Thanks for all your replies fellas. Here's the thing. We can talk about refresh rates and HDR, DV etc until the cows come home, but.................. When I connect the ATV4K directly to the Sony TV, none of these issues occur. All of the frame rates are available on the ATV, and no shows drop out to a black screen when match frame rate and match resolution are selected on the ATV. So, it is not my cables, it is the XMC-2. I really don't think it is any simpler than that. While that seems a reasonable conclusion, the fact is there is one cable and two connections in one scenario, and two cables with four connections (and their additive length) in the other -- granted, the XMC-2 is also there. Since (some) others seem to be able to do with the XMC-2 what you cannot, I personally can’t reach the same conclusion (but can accept it’s a possibility). |
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Post by mgbpuff on Jun 2, 2022 7:30:52 GMT -5
Just use the XMC-2 for audio. Buy a HDFury Vertex2 device and run video to your tv and audio to your pre-pro. You will also gain auto switching between inputs.
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Post by hsamwel on Jun 3, 2022 15:35:05 GMT -5
Thanks for all your replies fellas. Here's the thing. We can talk about refresh rates and HDR, DV etc until the cows come home, but.................. When I connect the ATV4K directly to the Sony TV, none of these issues occur. All of the frame rates are available on the ATV, and no shows drop out to a black screen when match frame rate and match resolution are selected on the ATV. So, it is not my cables, it is the XMC-2. I really don't think it is any simpler than that. On Amazon there were a reviewer that had gotten a broken cable (Zeskit Maya). It lost signal constantly with his Denon AVR. Could be something wrong with yours also?! Zeskit Lite are just the type of ultra high speed ultra thin cables I was talking about. Certified, yes, but I wouldn’t use the for anything high bandwidth. Works for some, not for others. I saw that your Maya plus the Lite has a combined length of 4.5m. This quite long and can cause issues on some systems if the cables aren’t up to it. I would rather use Maya cables between both the AppleTV and XMC-2 and to the TV. The Lite probably works great for 1080p, bluray or cable TV.. AppleTV uses 4k, DV and atmos with PCM (more bandwidth used).. Quite the strain on some cables. That’s why Apple has added the cable tester feature on their AppleTV. |
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Post by thezone on Jun 4, 2022 0:17:18 GMT -5
Just use the XMC-2 for audio. Buy a HDFury Vertex2 device and run video to your tv and audio to your pre-pro. You will also gain auto switching between inputs. I have certainly been tempted to go this route, however, it concerns me that even HD Fury users have reported similar issues and the necessity to cold reboot on occasions, which is unaceptable for cush an expoensive "ENBD game" type of poduct. |
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