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Post by docevil on May 1, 2024 21:47:45 GMT -5
TCL has their 163" X11H Max available now in China only for 800,000 yen which is just over $5k USD. Last year their 115" was only available in China but is now available outside of China. youtu.be/p17fYSnlGLo?si=08DzAp9SgQXPkNj0If this releases outside of china, I think it will be a pretty massive blow to the projector market.
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Post by sebna on May 2, 2024 10:15:43 GMT -5
Are you sure you are not tempted to add AVM90 to the mix ? And on more serious note - in terms of object placement and transition between speakers - does any of the two do a batter job at it? Would one cause the speakers to disappear more than other? More seamless handover of objects between speakers etc.?
I am asking as I know one very vocal AVM90 owner who also had RMC and claims that there is no comparison in favour of AVM90 when it comes to mentioned above. However that guys is such hyperbolic it is difficult to know what is what with him and what is his imagination and bias and what is real That's really interesting. I'll say when it comes to Home Theater and object audio, the AV10 immediately sounds better to me. I'm still trying to put my finger on it, but it has more of that "cinema" experience. I'm still trying a few different things with the RMC. I'd love to try an AVM90. In which DAC mode do you prefer your AV10 - mode 1 (Marantz house sound = roll off) or mode 2 (no roll-off)? And in which mode were you comparing against Emo Pre?
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Post by jasonf on May 2, 2024 12:09:21 GMT -5
That's really interesting. I'll say when it comes to Home Theater and object audio, the AV10 immediately sounds better to me. I'm still trying to put my finger on it, but it has more of that "cinema" experience. I'm still trying a few different things with the RMC. I'd love to try an AVM90. In which DAC mode do you prefer your AV10 - mode 1 (Marantz house sound = roll off) or mode 2 (no roll-off)? And in which mode were you comparing against Emo Pre? Mode 2 to both answers.
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Post by sebna on May 2, 2024 15:21:14 GMT -5
NVM - I have already asked that question and you have already answered it
Other than that. Many thanks for coming back to me Jason. Much appreciated.
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Post by lavocat on May 2, 2024 16:03:05 GMT -5
TCL has their 163" X11H Max available now in China only for 800,000 yen which is just over $5k USD. Last year their 115" was only available in China but is now available outside of China. youtu.be/p17fYSnlGLo?si=08DzAp9SgQXPkNj0If this releases outside of china, I think it will be a pretty massive blow to the projector market. In Europe or USA it will cost much much more than $5k…
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Post by docevil on May 2, 2024 17:25:50 GMT -5
TCL has their 163" X11H Max available now in China only for 800,000 yen which is just over $5k USD. Last year their 115" was only available in China but is now available outside of China. youtu.be/p17fYSnlGLo?si=08DzAp9SgQXPkNj0If this releases outside of china, I think it will be a pretty massive blow to the projector market. In Europe or USA it will cost much much more than $5k… Yeah, I take it all back! I heard Vincent say 800,000 chinese "yen" but the chinese currency is "yuan". Converting from yuan instead of yen is a more realistic $110k USD which is still cheap for that size screen. I must admit that I was shocked when I did the conversion from yen. Sorry for walking people down the garden path on this one haha. For the record, I have a JVC NX7 and Seymour screen that I am happy with but I do think that by the time I have the upgrade bug, direct view screens will likely be the better and cheaper option.
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Post by NicS on May 8, 2024 8:41:25 GMT -5
The imminent demise of the projector may not be so imminent. I can go to a 150" UST triple laser at 3500 ANSI Lumen with ALR Screen for less than $10k (yes, with Dolby Vision and 3D) - compare at $220k for the 140" Samsung OLED panel that weighs a metric ton... not happening anytime soon. Dolby Vision is not projector complaint.
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Post by KeithL on May 8, 2024 9:29:59 GMT -5
I'm a little confused by that comment. "Dolby Vision" is a "video signal standard" that has certain mandatory and recommended requirements. In order to "support Dolby Vision" a display device (which would include projectors)... - must support certain specific color space options - must accept and respond properly to certain flags and metadata (these allow Dolby Vision to include commands to change the brightness and color space settings "on the fly") - must be able to meet or exceed certain brightness and color purity levels (to be able to display white and various colors at or beyond specific brightness levels) These requirements DO NOT specify the display technology involved. Therefore you COULD have a display that "supports Dolby Vision" in the form of an LCD or LED panel, or a projector, or even a CRT. (Or even some new technology that doesn't exist yet.) The imminent demise of the projector may not be so imminent. I can go to a 150" UST triple laser at 3500 ANSI Lumen with ALR Screen for less than $10k (yes, with Dolby Vision and 3D) - compare at $220k for the 140" Samsung OLED panel that weighs a metric ton... not happening anytime soon. Dolby Vision is not projector complaint.
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Post by marcl on May 8, 2024 9:31:48 GMT -5
I'm a little confused by that comment. "Dolby Vision" is a "video signal standard" that has certain mandatory and recommended requirements. In order to "support Dolby Vision" a display device (which would include projectors)... - must support certain specific color space options - must accept and respond properly to certain flags and metadata (these allow Dolby Vision to include commands to change the brightness and color space settings "on the fly") - must be able to meet or exceed certain brightness and color purity levels (to be able to display white and various colors at or beyond specific brightness levels) These requirements DO NOT specify the display technology involved. Therefore you COULD have a display that "supports Dolby Vision" in the form of an LCD or LED panel, or a projector, or even a CRT. (Or even some new technology that doesn't exist yet.) Dolby Vision is not projector complaint. Maybe it's more accurate to say "Most projectors are not Dolby Vision compliant"
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Post by foggy1956 on May 8, 2024 10:25:40 GMT -5
Anybody else beginning to wonder whether we'll see a podcast with a working g4 processor before the end of Q2? Tic-toc
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Post by Lsc on May 8, 2024 10:50:59 GMT -5
Anybody else beginning to wonder whether we'll see a podcast with a working g4 processor before the end of Q2? Tic-toc I’m waiting for a podcast for them to say we are tracking for a fall release. Then in the fall another podcast to say tracking for it to be released by the end of the year 😎. I’m just kidding. In all honesty I don’t care when it’s released because it’ll be about 6 months after that the “upgraders” will have access. Hence the release date while it means something, it’ll still be a ways off before I get my hands on the + model. But yes, I will be upgrading regardless and won’t go spend another $6-8k on another processor because I ran out of patience. My XMC2 works fine (every single day) and the excitement of waiting for a new product, Emotiva has knocked it out of me with all the waiting and more waiting. It’s like getting a new iPhone. You get it and realize it’s pretty much like your old phone. This new processor by the feature list will just make things more compatible with the 83” LG G4 I plan on getting by Thanksgiving but otherwise…it’s gonna sound the same and have the same features and the lack of the features I am waiting for.
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Post by lavocat on May 8, 2024 11:29:43 GMT -5
This WE it’s the Munich Exhibition in Germany. With Emo, JVC, etc. The Emo Staff is there… 😉
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Post by foggy1956 on May 8, 2024 12:21:26 GMT -5
This WE it’s the Munich Exhibition in Germany. With Emo, JVC, etc. The Emo Staff is there… 😉 Any chance they preview the new processors there?
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Post by cawgijoe on May 8, 2024 12:23:06 GMT -5
Anybody else beginning to wonder whether we'll see a podcast with a working g4 processor before the end of Q2? Tic-toc I’m waiting for a podcast for them to say we are tracking for a fall release. Then in the fall another podcast to say tracking for it to be released by the end of the year 😎. I’m just kidding. In all honesty I don’t care when it’s released because it’ll be about 6 months after that the “upgraders” will have access. Hence the release date while it means something, it’ll still be a ways off before I get my hands on the + model. But yes, I will be upgrading regardless and won’t go spend another $6-8k on another processor because I ran out of patience. My XMC2 works fine (every single day) and the excitement of waiting for a new product, Emotiva has knocked it out of me with all the waiting and more waiting. It’s like getting a new iPhone. You get it and realize it’s pretty much like your old phone. This new processor by the feature list will just make things more compatible with the 83” LG G4 I plan on getting by Thanksgiving but otherwise…it’s gonna sound the same and have the same features and the lack of the features I am waiting for. Yeah, I will upgrade also, but am currently in the process of moving into a new home which won't be complete till Dec - Jan. Will be moving into an interim home so my current system will remain in boxes till then. No hurry for me. I do have to decide whether the send my XPA-5 Gen 3 amp in to add amps for Atmos or use two separate Basx Flex amps to run the ceiling speakers. I'm inclined to spend the money and get the XPA-5 updated to cut down on boxes.
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Post by lavocat on May 8, 2024 14:35:00 GMT -5
This WE it’s the Munich Exhibition in Germany. With Emo, JVC, etc. The Emo Staff is there… 😉 Any chance they preview the new processors there? Honestly I don’t know. They didn’t make any teasing… wait & see…
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Post by aswiss on May 8, 2024 14:40:29 GMT -5
Any chance they preview the new processors there? Honestly I don’t know. They didn’t make any teasing… wait & see… If not, this would be a missed chance for the European Market. Wait and see is what we do here in the forum, since I bought my RMC-1 - either for a FW with a Fix, or now the new models - and just to say. If they want to launch and ship by End of June, EMO already should have finished products by now.
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Post by Zombie on May 8, 2024 14:51:43 GMT -5
I’m waiting for a podcast for them to say we are tracking for a fall release. Then in the fall another podcast to say tracking for it to be released by the end of the year 😎. I’m just kidding. In all honesty I don’t care when it’s released because it’ll be about 6 months after that the “upgraders” will have access. Hence the release date while it means something, it’ll still be a ways off before I get my hands on the + model. But yes, I will be upgrading regardless and won’t go spend another $6-8k on another processor because I ran out of patience. My XMC2 works fine (every single day) and the excitement of waiting for a new product, Emotiva has knocked it out of me with all the waiting and more waiting. It’s like getting a new iPhone. You get it and realize it’s pretty much like your old phone. This new processor by the feature list will just make things more compatible with the 83” LG G4 I plan on getting by Thanksgiving but otherwise…it’s gonna sound the same and have the same features and the lack of the features I am waiting for. Yeah, I will upgrade also, but am currently in the process of moving into a new home which won't be complete till Dec - Jan. Will be moving into an interim home so my current system will remain in boxes till then. No hurry for me. I do have to decide whether the send my XPA-5 Gen 3 amp in to add amps for Atmos or use two separate Basx Flex amps to run the ceiling speakers. I'm inclined to spend the money and get the XPA-5 updated to cut down on boxes. That’s pretty much what I did. I was using the Bas X amps for my surround, rear surround and 4 Atmos speakers. I decided to consolidate and now use a XPA-8 to run ‘em. Didn’t really notice any difference in audio quality but I like the look of the bigger single amp in the cabinet. I too am building a new house that’ll be done (hopefully 🙏) around the end of the year. All my stuff is currently stacked in the original boxes in my rental house. It’s going to be a loooooong year, lol.
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Post by Sayer on May 9, 2024 14:43:08 GMT -5
I do have to decide whether the send my XPA-5 Gen 3 amp in to add amps for Atmos or use two separate Basx Flex amps to run the ceiling speakers. I'm inclined to spend the money and get the XPA-5 updated to cut down on boxes. Depending on your speaker load, could you lose some dynamic range when adding more amps to the XPA-5 due to the shared power supply? That concern is why I went with a BasX A4 for the Atmos channels. My XPA-5 runs two T3+, a C3+, and two T2+, so it is a fairly hefty load on the amp.
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Post by aswiss on May 9, 2024 18:27:29 GMT -5
This WE it’s the Munich Exhibition in Germany. With Emo, JVC, etc. The Emo Staff is there… 😉 Just watched an Reel from their booth at Munich Highend - they did only mention the MC-1 and Speaker with some other stuff. It really looks that either the G4P is not ready or it has not a high strategical value.
Its quicker to earn money with Speaker Box Moving - my 2 cents on this.
Video can be found on their FB Site.
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Post by cawgijoe on May 9, 2024 21:39:11 GMT -5
I do have to decide whether the send my XPA-5 Gen 3 amp in to add amps for Atmos or use two separate Basx Flex amps to run the ceiling speakers. I'm inclined to spend the money and get the XPA-5 updated to cut down on boxes. Depending on your speaker load, could you lose some dynamic range when adding more amps to the XPA-5 due to the shared power supply? That concern is why I went with a BasX A4 for the Atmos channels. My XPA-5 runs two T3+, a C3+, and two T2+, so it is a fairly hefty load on the amp. I’m not concerned. It should do the job.
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