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Post by marcl on Apr 12, 2024 14:53:50 GMT -5
I think the next step is sort of obvious... Regular screens big enough, and affordable enough, and light enough, to replace projectors. (I know some people like the way a projector looks... but I've always much preferred direct-view screens.) To me the only question is going to be whether we're going to see really big stiff one piece screens... Or actual active screens that roll up... either when you get them... or like a pushbutton roll-up projector screen... We're also starting to see - at least commercially - screens made up out of one foot square tiles that interlock... You just hook together as many as you want to get whatever size display you want... … but I’ll still by another, BIGGER one, and don’t want 8K. Where's my acoustically transparent 100" OLED with Dolby Vision!?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 12, 2024 16:39:08 GMT -5
I think the next step is sort of obvious... Regular screens big enough, and affordable enough, and light enough, to replace projectors. (I know some people like the way a projector looks... but I've always much preferred direct-view screens.) To me the only question is going to be whether we're going to see really big stiff one piece screens... Or actual active screens that roll up... either when you get them... or like a pushbutton roll-up projector screen... We're also starting to see - at least commercially - screens made up out of one foot square tiles that interlock... You just hook together as many as you want to get whatever size display you want... … but I’ll still by another, BIGGER one, and don’t want 8K. Those concepts would bring a lot of ‘flexibility’ to the way we can make larger screens fit our rooms, furniture, and viewing situations. Currently I see something around 100” sitting comfortably on my credenza (up from my current 85”), and probably being a sweet spot for size and distance in my room, but I could accommodate something larger if it were lighter and could possibly be hung, away from the wall, without massive support. I do hope, like the rest of the HT and audiophile market, the display manufacturers stratify to meet different needs and wants, and that we have those who will provide 4K displays for the foreseeable future, using technologies like you describe, and others to improve picture quality, to bring us the best performance, price, and efficiency. Just as we can now buy extremely good sounding equipment at ‘reasonable’ prices, and those who wish, can buy extremely good sounding equipment at much higher prices, and we can continue to debate whether we can see or hear the difference.
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Post by richb on Apr 12, 2024 16:51:12 GMT -5
I just upgraded to an LG 83 G4. It is a very bright and lovely display.
I have a fairly normal RMC-1 configuration:
Input HDMI-1: HTPC Input HDMI-3: Tivo Edge via HDFury Vertex2 -> HDMI-3 (the Vertex2 allows me to add a transparent mask when watching news) Input HDMI-4: Apple TV 4K (latest version) Input HDMI-6: Oppo 205
Output HMDI: TV (LG G4)
There was an issue when the ATV4k powers off (sleeps), the LG display remains on. This is a problem, if you tend to fall asleep or when someone forgets to turn the system off. It has been on for days.
So finally, I decided to embrace HDMI-CEC/Smartlink/ATV HDMI control (all the same but named differently) and it works great. When the ATV4K sleeps the system powers down. Horray!
I can't believe it took me this long to try this.
- Rich
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 12, 2024 18:31:18 GMT -5
The list of Gen 4(+series) features obviously includes HDMI 2.1 but I am wondering if it can be shared which version, 2.1, 2.1a or 2.1b? In particular, I am interested in the Dynamic HDR(added in 2.1b) and Source Based Tone-Mapping(added in 2.1a) features. Will the Gen 4(+series) have the ability to support the newer versions in the future if it is not the most recent version at launch? If 2.1, since all the features of HDMI 2.1 aren't required to be supported to be called 2.1, which of the features of 2.1 are supported? i.e. Enhanced Audio Return Channel(eARC), Variable Refresh Rate (VRR), Quick Media Switching(QMS), Quick Frame Transport(QFT), Auto Low Latency Mode(ALLM) I believe all of the 2.1 range of features must be supported to say it is 2.1b compliant.
I’d like to find it, and should have added it to the 2nd page FAQ, but I remember Keith saying something to the effect … it will at least be HDMI 2.1a, and maybe 2.1b. I’m sure he’ll correct me if I’m wrong, and that most of us would hope for the latest version available.
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Post by aswiss on Apr 13, 2024 15:45:22 GMT -5
The list of Gen 4(+series) features obviously includes HDMI 2.1 but I am wondering if it can be shared which version, 2.1, 2.1a or 2.1b? In particular, I am interested in the Dynamic HDR(added in 2.1b) and Source Based Tone-Mapping(added in 2.1a) features. Will the Gen 4(+series) have the ability to support the newer versions in the future if it is not the most recent version at launch? If 2.1, since all the features of HDMI 2.1 aren't required to be supported to be called 2.1, which of the features of 2.1 are supported? i.e. Enhanced Audio Return Channel(eARC), Variable Refresh Rate (VRR), Quick Media Switching(QMS), Quick Frame Transport(QFT), Auto Low Latency Mode(ALLM) I believe all of the 2.1 range of features must be supported to say it is 2.1b compliant.
I’d like to find it, and should have added it to the 2nd page FAQ, but I remember Keith saying something to the effect … it will at least be HDMI 2.1a, and maybe 2.1b. I’m sure he’ll correct me if I’m wrong, and that most of us would hope for the latest version available. 2.1b was just released 1 month ago - I don't believe that the platform will support everything. There is a certification, and I don't know if this can be extended.
But All are based on 2.1 hardware. We will see when it comes. Still 2 months to go
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Post by jasonf on Apr 13, 2024 23:50:55 GMT -5
I've been comparing both for a couple of months (review incoming I swear...) and the Marantz MAY not be right for him. I will say that musically, the RMC has a bigger, brighter stage than the AV10 for sure. I think the AV10 is a little more accurate and "intimate", but the RMC sings. Right now I think the AV10 dominates for home theater, and all around stability/experience. Did you compare the Marantz with a Dirac calibration (done & actived) ? Yes, I've done comparisons with and without Dirac.
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Post by jasonf on Apr 13, 2024 23:55:12 GMT -5
I've been comparing both for a couple of months (review incoming I swear...) and the Marantz MAY not be right for him. I will say that musically, the RMC has a bigger, brighter stage than the AV10 for sure. I think the AV10 is a little more accurate and "intimate", but the RMC sings. Right now I think the AV10 dominates for home theater, and all around stability/experience. Are you sure you are not tempted to add AVM90 to the mix ? And on more serious note - in terms of object placement and transition between speakers - does any of the two do a batter job at it? Would one cause the speakers to disappear more than other? More seamless handover of objects between speakers etc.?
I am asking as I know one very vocal AVM90 owner who also had RMC and claims that there is no comparison in favour of AVM90 when it comes to mentioned above. However that guys is such hyperbolic it is difficult to know what is what with him and what is his imagination and bias and what is real That's really interesting. I'll say when it comes to Home Theater and object audio, the AV10 immediately sounds better to me. I'm still trying to put my finger on it, but it has more of that "cinema" experience. I'm still trying a few different things with the RMC. I'd love to try an AVM90.
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Post by docevil on Apr 16, 2024 7:45:36 GMT -5
I've done some reading on the HDMI specs... HDMI 2.1b was actually released back in August of 2023 and doesn't impose any extra liscencing fees to implement which is good news. Depending on the chipset used, there is a good chance that a 2.1 capable device could be firmware updated to 2.1b, 2.1a to 2.1b is even more likely capable of being updated as a 2.1a device is very similar and will likely be capable of supporting the new features.
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Post by hulkss on Apr 29, 2024 14:43:26 GMT -5
And... just FYI... based on limited testing so far... So far we have not heard the metallic "kazoo noise thing" with the new hardware... I have been trying with no success to eliminate the "kazoo noise thing" in my HTPC audio processing. Good to hear it is elsewhere and may be fixed with an upgrade in June this year.
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Post by markc on Apr 30, 2024 4:02:49 GMT -5
And... just FYI... based on limited testing so far... So far we have not heard the metallic "kazoo noise thing" with the new hardware... I have been trying with no success to eliminate the "kazoo noise thing" in my HTPC audio processing. Good to hear it is elsewhere and may be fixed with an upgrade in June this year. That would be excellent news except that we will each have to pay £700-£1500 to return to the manufacturer our defunct-after-five-years-of-unfixable-problems-surround-sound-processor to get a version that may or may not not have this or other problems. (I think we all have a fair idea which one of these will apply!) We will then be saddled with a newly designed processor from a manufacturer who has a proven track record of taking exactly 5 years to finally correct the XMC-1 to a functioning state and then taken 5 years to never correct issues with the XMC-2 / RMC-1 before all but declaring that hardware unfixable and moving on to the next generation.
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Post by Snoman on Apr 30, 2024 14:52:13 GMT -5
I think the next step is sort of obvious... Regular screens big enough, and affordable enough, and light enough, to replace projectors. (I know some people like the way a projector looks... but I've always much preferred direct-view screens.) To me the only question is going to be whether we're going to see really big stiff one piece screens... Or actual active screens that roll up... either when you get them... or like a pushbutton roll-up projector screen... We're also starting to see - at least commercially - screens made up out of one foot square tiles that interlock... You just hook together as many as you want to get whatever size display you want... … but I’ll still by another, BIGGER one, and don’t want 8K.
100" quality screens have been well under $10k for awhile now. Samsung is under $5k and TCL is under $3k. There are cheap projectors out there for a grand or three and even some decent lasers, but by the time you add the required screens and custom walls/ frames etc, the need for projectors have effectively been eliminated. True quality projectors/lasers and their set ups cost more than TV/monitors.The accepted Sony/JVC models start 5 figures. The discussion changes slightly after 120", but most are now purchasing professional display solutions (mostly modular) that offer far better quality and performance than "Best Buy" products.
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Post by davidl81 on Apr 30, 2024 22:30:36 GMT -5
I think the next step is sort of obvious... Regular screens big enough, and affordable enough, and light enough, to replace projectors. (I know some people like the way a projector looks... but I've always much preferred direct-view screens.) To me the only question is going to be whether we're going to see really big stiff one piece screens... Or actual active screens that roll up... either when you get them... or like a pushbutton roll-up projector screen... We're also starting to see - at least commercially - screens made up out of one foot square tiles that interlock... You just hook together as many as you want to get whatever size display you want...
100" quality screens have been well under $10k for awhile now. Samsung is under $5k and TCL is under $3k. There are cheap projectors out there for a grand or three and even some decent lasers, but by the time you add the required screens and custom walls/ frames etc, the need for projectors have effectively been eliminated. True quality projectors/lasers and their set ups cost more than TV/monitors.The accepted Sony/JVC models start 5 figures. The discussion changes slightly after 120", but most are now purchasing professional display solutions (mostly modular) that offer far better quality and performance than "Best Buy" products.
TCL has a 115” TV coming out this year that depending on price point I will buy and replace my 4K Sony Projector with. We have the 98” TCL in our living room and it’s fantastic
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Post by NicS on May 1, 2024 9:10:03 GMT -5
100" quality screens have been well under $10k for awhile now. Samsung is under $5k and TCL is under $3k. There are cheap projectors out there for a grand or three and even some decent lasers, but by the time you add the required screens and custom walls/ frames etc, the need for projectors have effectively been eliminated. True quality projectors/lasers and their set ups cost more than TV/monitors.The accepted Sony/JVC models start 5 figures. The discussion changes slightly after 120", but most are now purchasing professional display solutions (mostly modular) that offer far better quality and performance than "Best Buy" products.
TCL has a 115” TV coming out this year that depending on price point I will buy and replace my 4K Sony Projector with. We have the 98” TCL in our living room and it’s fantastic This is the inevitability. Projectors are filling the gap that panel displays or large format TVs will very soon fill. The question is price point. The TCL 115" is likely to sell initially around the $20k mark, though will likely drop in price once the early "must-have" adopters are well squeezed. I saw this at CES. It was pretty impressive, though not quite as impressive as Sony CrystalVision, but that is an order of magnitude more expensive. I think the market is heading toward modular panel driven displays, most likely in the existing 2'x2' configuration. It will dramatically reduce the diversity in manufacturers product line, but will reduce overall manufacturing cost on the basis of volume. Currently the technology is a little bulky, audibly noisy and power hungry, but that will change quickly. In terms of size, the sweet spot is 150" diagonal. Once this size is achievable, I think the days of home projectors will be over. Though, as for getting in to this new tech at a reasonable price, I think we are at least 5 years out. So don't give up on your 4K projector just yet...
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Post by PaulBe on May 1, 2024 9:44:50 GMT -5
TCL has a 115” TV coming out this year that depending on price point I will buy and replace my 4K Sony Projector with. We have the 98” TCL in our living room and it’s fantastic This is the inevitability. Projectors are filling the gap that panel displays or large format TVs will very soon fill. The question is price point. The TCL 115" is likely to sell initially around the $20k mark, though will likely drop in price once the early "must-have" adopters are well squeezed. I saw this at CES. It was pretty impressive, though not quite as impressive as Sony CrystalVision, but that is an order of magnitude more expensive. I think the market is heading toward modular panel driven displays, most likely in the existing 2'x2' configuration. It will dramatically reduce the diversity in manufacturers product line, but will reduce overall manufacturing cost on the basis of volume. Currently the technology is a little bulky, audibly noisy and power hungry, but that will change quickly. In terms of size, the sweet spot is 150" diagonal. Once this size is achievable, I think the days of home projectors will be over. Though, as for getting in to this new tech at a reasonable price, I think we are at least 5 years out. So don't give up on your 4K projector just yet... Went to the Crutchfield site last night and saw 98" 4K Samsung displays for $4K, $5K, and mini LED for $15K. A Sony 98" 4K set for $7K. Prices will come down over time. The 98" Samsung displays are power friendly - less than $40/year for electric utility cost estimates. Weight for the 98" displays is intimidating. The mini LED 98" $15K Samsung is not in my budget, but a $15K processor might be. I use a 75" Samsung mini LED display. Pic is very nice, price is nice, and size is adequate - larger is better. The modular panel idea for larger displays peaks my interest.
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Post by Snoman on May 1, 2024 9:53:32 GMT -5
TCL has a 115” TV coming out this year that depending on price point I will buy and replace my 4K Sony Projector with. We have the 98” TCL in our living room and it’s fantastic This is the inevitability. Projectors are filling the gap that panel displays or large format TVs will very soon fill. The question is price point. The TCL 115" is likely to sell initially around the $20k mark, though will likely drop in price once the early "must-have" adopters are well squeezed. I saw this at CES. It was pretty impressive, though not quite as impressive as Sony CrystalVision, but that is an order of magnitude more expensive. I think the market is heading toward modular panel driven displays, most likely in the existing 2'x2' configuration. It will dramatically reduce the diversity in manufacturers product line, but will reduce overall manufacturing cost on the basis of volume. Currently the technology is a little bulky, audibly noisy and power hungry, but that will change quickly. In terms of size, the sweet spot is 150" diagonal. Once this size is achievable, I think the days of home projectors will be over. Though, as for getting in to this new tech at a reasonable price, I think we are at least 5 years out. So don't give up on your 4K projector just yet...
The new 115" TCL is $27k (rumors pricing might be as low as $20k) and already shipping, though not to the US until late this year. Linus over at TechTips got his hand on a prototype in February. Hisense showcased a 110" ULED and Samsung released a 140", though at $220k, commercial panels are better and available larger.
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Post by Ricco on May 1, 2024 14:53:59 GMT -5
Not sure this is the right thread, but is there any work on when XMC-3 will come out. I have XMC-2 and very a happy with it since the last firmware update. Everything working and don't really have an issue ...well ....except for the remote with no backlit.
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Post by geebo on May 1, 2024 15:02:04 GMT -5
Not sure this is the right thread, but is there any work on when XMC-3 will come out. I have XMC-2 and very a happy with it since the last firmware update. Everything working and don't really have an issue ...well ....except for the remote with no backlit. Emotiva is saying this summer. The next podcast or the one after that is supposed to give us more information on that subject.
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Post by tngiloy on May 1, 2024 15:09:08 GMT -5
Not sure this is the right thread, but is there any work on when XMC-3 will come out. I have XMC-2 and very a happy with it since the last firmware update. Everything working and don't really have an issue ...well ....except for the remote with no backlit. Welcome. This is the right thread. The last podcast gives the best information, which is nothing concrete. emotiva.com/blogs/podcasts/podcast-02-29-24Join this thread and wait impatiently in the dark with the rest of us.
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Post by recluce on May 1, 2024 18:00:39 GMT -5
The imminent demise of the projector may not be so imminent. I can go to a 150" UST triple laser at 3500 ANSI Lumen with ALR Screen for less than $10k (yes, with Dolby Vision and 3D) - compare at $220k for the 140" Samsung OLED panel that weighs a metric ton... not happening anytime soon.
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Post by fbczar on May 1, 2024 21:33:38 GMT -5
The imminent demise of the projector may not be so imminent. I can go to a 150" UST triple laser at 3500 ANSI Lumen with ALR Screen for less than $10k (yes, with Dolby Vision and 3D) - compare at $220k for the 140" Samsung OLED panel that weighs a metric ton... not happening anytime soon. Projectors can be magnificent. I have owned a JVC R3000 projector and a 119” screen for several years and with a good source the PQ is staggeringly good. The 3D capability is simply amazing. I understand the draw of a 100” TV, but agree that larger sizes that cost less than a house may be a decade away.
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