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Post by fbczar on Apr 30, 2024 22:35:51 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Keith said the hooks were in place for DLBC but I am not confident that it will make it. For all of our sakes, including those that are yearning for it in their pipe dreams, I very much hope that Emotiva DO NOT try and implement DLBC, or even Dirac Live in the initial iteration. They clearly need to keep it simple, having failed to implement basic surround sound processing in the G3P. As they have limited resources to implement both functionality and audio quality and processing, we should only ask for basic functions. No amount of fancy audiophile quality fully differential balanced single DAC per channel blah blah blah or post processing room correction in Dirac basic or Bass Control can EVER compensate for the type of performance we experience and have to tolerate in the G3P: Random and unexplained and unfixed incorrect channel steering, random unexplained and unfixed static warbling noises require reboots, incorrect bass management, variable volume decoding/presentation of a bitstream, audio lock-on issues, surround mode lock-on issues et etc Too bad your XMC-2 has so many problems. Mine has bee stable for a long time. I for one would have zero interest in a G4 processor without Dirac.
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Post by foggy1956 on May 1, 2024 5:41:12 GMT -5
For all of our sakes, including those that are yearning for it in their pipe dreams, I very much hope that Emotiva DO NOT try and implement DLBC, or even Dirac Live in the initial iteration. They clearly need to keep it simple, having failed to implement basic surround sound processing in the G3P. As they have limited resources to implement both functionality and audio quality and processing, we should only ask for basic functions. No amount of fancy audiophile quality fully differential balanced single DAC per channel blah blah blah or post processing room correction in Dirac basic or Bass Control can EVER compensate for the type of performance we experience and have to tolerate in the G3P: Random and unexplained and unfixed incorrect channel steering, random unexplained and unfixed static warbling noises require reboots, incorrect bass management, variable volume decoding/presentation of a bitstream, audio lock-on issues, surround mode lock-on issues et etc Too bad your XMC-2 has so many problems. Mine has bee stable for a long time. I for one would have zero interest in a G4 processor without Dirac. I'd like to echo your view, my unit is mostly stable also. DLBC is the only feature of interest to me, sans Dirac would be a step backward from the current unit for me.
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Post by PaulBe on May 1, 2024 6:41:27 GMT -5
Concerning owners with stable processors The fact that your processor is stable does not fix the processor problems of others. Some people have continuous problems and Emotiva is unresponsive. No amount of talk about sound quality, how well Your processor works, or how great the 'service' is from Emotiva, will fix the Lemons. The 'Lemons' that some of us have are Not being fixed.
Tell me again how 'wonderful' Your processor is. Perhaps Your next comment will fix My - or someone else's - 'Lemon', while we wait for G4P Godot.
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Post by foggy1956 on May 1, 2024 7:00:29 GMT -5
Concerning owners with stable processors The fact that your processor is stable does not fix the processor problems of others. Some people have continuous problems and Emotiva is unresponsive. No amount of talk about sound quality; how well Your processor works; or how great the 'service' is from Emotiva; The 'Lemons' that some of us have are Not being fixed. Tell me again how 'wonderful' Your processor is. Perhaps Your next comment will fix My - or someone else's - 'Lemon', while we wait for G4P Godot. If you've got a problem with the product that the company isn't fixing that is not our problem. Move on to a new manufacturer, don't be fooled by returning to the same well. We're sharing our experience, quit pissing and moaning.
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Post by cawgijoe on May 1, 2024 7:07:04 GMT -5
Concerning owners with stable processors The fact that your processor is stable does not fix the processor problems of others. Some people have continuous problems and Emotiva is unresponsive. No amount of talk about sound quality; how well Your processor works; or how great the 'service' is from Emotiva; The 'Lemons' that some of us have are Not being fixed. Tell me again how 'wonderful' Your processor is. Perhaps Your next comment will fix My - or someone else's - 'Lemon', while we wait for G4P Godot. I'm not going to tell you how wonderful my processor is, but I'm in the same camp as others who have stated that their processors are "stable". Within the last year I may have had to reboot twice. Since these things are computers, rebooting occasionally is probably a good thing. The only bug that rears it's ugly head for me randomly is the "mechanical noise" issue. That has not happened in the last six months...probably due. I feel for those who are having issues and am a little perplexed that Emotiva is just ignoring you. I've never been ignored when I had a problem. Granted, I've only called twice....intermittent 1st Gen XPA-5 amp problem and failed ERC-1 remote. Remote was replaced free of charge even after the warranty expired and I ended up trading in my XPA-5 on a new one rather than sending the old one in for repair. As I recall, repair cost was a flat fee and very reasonable. However, I decided on a new amp. Anyway, none of this helps with your's or others issues with the current processors, however I would keep calling till you exhaust all avenues. If you have without satisfaction, then it's time to decide whether to move on to another brand or take a chance on G4P.
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Post by PaulBe on May 1, 2024 7:15:00 GMT -5
Concerning owners with stable processors The fact that your processor is stable does not fix the processor problems of others. Some people have continuous problems and Emotiva is unresponsive. No amount of talk about sound quality; how well Your processor works; or how great the 'service' is from Emotiva; The 'Lemons' that some of us have are Not being fixed. Tell me again how 'wonderful' Your processor is. Perhaps Your next comment will fix My - or someone else's - 'Lemon', while we wait for G4P Godot. If you've got a problem with the product that the company isn't fixing that is not our problem. Move on to a new manufacturer, don't be fooled by returning to the same well. We're sharing our experience, quit pissing and moaning. I'm sharing my experience with my RMC-1L. If it upsets you, don't read my posts. I'm not responsible for writing only what you want to read. You are a little 'foggy' about this forum. It's an Owner's Forum. I OWN an RMC-1L Processor.
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Post by foggy1956 on May 1, 2024 7:24:14 GMT -5
If you've got a problem with the product that the company isn't fixing that is not our problem. Move on to a new manufacturer, don't be fooled by returning to the same well. We're sharing our experience, quit pissing and moaning. I'm sharing my experience with my RMC-1L. If it upsets you, don't read my posts. I'm not responsible for writing only what you want to read. You are a little 'foggy' about about this forum. It's an Owner's Forum. I OWN an RMC-1L Processor. Weren't you the 1 whining about us sharing our experience, perhaps you're the foggy 1
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Post by PaulBe on May 1, 2024 7:28:35 GMT -5
Concerning owners with stable processors The fact that your processor is stable does not fix the processor problems of others. Some people have continuous problems and Emotiva is unresponsive. No amount of talk about sound quality; how well Your processor works; or how great the 'service' is from Emotiva; The 'Lemons' that some of us have are Not being fixed. Tell me again how 'wonderful' Your processor is. Perhaps Your next comment will fix My - or someone else's - 'Lemon', while we wait for G4P Godot. I'm not going to tell you how wonderful my processor is, but I'm in the same camp as others who have stated that their processors are "stable". Within the last year I may have had to reboot twice. Since these things are computers, rebooting occasionally is probably a good thing. The only bug that rears it's ugly head for me randomly is the "mechanical noise" issue. That has not happened in the last six months...probably due. I feel for those who are having issues and am a little perplexed that Emotiva is just ignoring you. I've never been ignored when I had a problem. Granted, I've only called twice....intermittent 1st Gen XPA-5 amp problem and failed ERC-1 remote. Remote was replaced free of charge even after the warranty expired and I ended up trading in my XPA-5 on a new one rather than sending the old one in for repair. As I recall, repair cost was a flat fee and very reasonable. However, I decided on a new amp. Anyway, none of this helps with your's or others issues with the current processors, however I would keep calling till you exhaust all avenues. If you have without satisfaction, then it's time to decide whether to move on to another brand or take a chance on G4P. I am happy for everyone who has a stable processor. A minority of us have unaddressed REAL complaints. Answering us with "Gee, mine works" is not a fix or consolation prize. Fixing or replacing these malfunctioning Lemons should be a no-brainer. After owning my RMC-1L for 4.5 years, it has been stable some of the time. I can go a whole month with stability. Sometimes it malfunctions every day for a whole month. This is not normal. This forum is an acceptable place to note this behavior. I am considering my future options.
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Post by cawgijoe on May 1, 2024 7:33:32 GMT -5
I'm not going to tell you how wonderful my processor is, but I'm in the same camp as others who have stated that their processors are "stable". Within the last year I may have had to reboot twice. Since these things are computers, rebooting occasionally is probably a good thing. The only bug that rears it's ugly head for me randomly is the "mechanical noise" issue. That has not happened in the last six months...probably due. I feel for those who are having issues and am a little perplexed that Emotiva is just ignoring you. I've never been ignored when I had a problem. Granted, I've only called twice....intermittent 1st Gen XPA-5 amp problem and failed ERC-1 remote. Remote was replaced free of charge even after the warranty expired and I ended up trading in my XPA-5 on a new one rather than sending the old one in for repair. As I recall, repair cost was a flat fee and very reasonable. However, I decided on a new amp. Anyway, none of this helps with your's or others issues with the current processors, however I would keep calling till you exhaust all avenues. If you have without satisfaction, then it's time to decide whether to move on to another brand or take a chance on G4P. I am happy for everyone who has a stable processor. A minority of us have unaddressed REAL complaints. Answering us with "Gee, mine works" is not a fix or consolation prize. Fixing or replacing these malfunctioning Lemons should be a no-brainer. After owning my RMC-1L for 4.5 years, it has been stable some of the time. I can go a whole month with stability. Sometimes it malfunctions every day for a whole month. This is not normal. This forum is an acceptable place to note this behavior. I am considering my future options. For my sake so I don't have to search. could you summarize your issues? Also, what did Emotiva suggest before they ignored you?
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Post by PaulBe on May 1, 2024 7:35:58 GMT -5
I'm sharing my experience with my RMC-1L. If it upsets you, don't read my posts. I'm not responsible for writing only what you want to read. You are a little 'foggy' about about this forum. It's an Owner's Forum. I OWN an RMC-1L Processor. Weren't you the 1 whining about us sharing our experience, perhaps you're the foggy 1 If I stop complaining will my processor magically become stable? If you stop saying your processor is stable when someone describes their processor instability, will your processor become unstable? Share your experiences. I will share mine. - Edited for fan-boy strawman sensitivity concerns...
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Post by foggy1956 on May 1, 2024 7:39:28 GMT -5
Weren't you the 1 whining about us sharing our experience, perhaps you're the foggy 1 If I stop complaining will my processor magically become stable? If you stop your one handed fan-boy waving will your processor become unstable? Jus messn with your zen thang... Share your experiences. I will share mine. FWIW I doubt the blue dogs around here will ever label me a fan boy, you haven't been around long enough to know that. Carry on soldier 🙂
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Post by PaulBe on May 1, 2024 8:29:49 GMT -5
I am happy for everyone who has a stable processor. A minority of us have unaddressed REAL complaints. Answering us with "Gee, mine works" is not a fix or consolation prize. Fixing or replacing these malfunctioning Lemons should be a no-brainer. After owning my RMC-1L for 4.5 years, it has been stable some of the time. I can go a whole month with stability. Sometimes it malfunctions every day for a whole month. This is not normal. This forum is an acceptable place to note this behavior. I am considering my future options. For my sake so I don't have to search. could you summarize your issues? Also, what did Emotiva suggest before they ignored you? I have the same reoccurring problems noted on every page of this forum. I also note that every time someone states a problem there are a few who retort "Mine works". I'm happy for the "Mine works" people, however, it doesn't fix the minority of processors with continuous problems. There is a board attempt to gas-light owners of problem processors with words like "Move on", and "quit pissing and moaning". I paid for and earned the right to be here and state my processor problems, as well as the right to state what I like about my RMC-1L. I've done both. A little more empathy will go a longer way on the forum. A few complaints go hyperbolic, and could be disregarded. I don't like the hyperbolic complaints or the "Mine works" responses. Neither serves anything good. Over time, my own thinking has changed a bit. Suggestions from Emotiva have been 'wait for FW', and, 'please make an audio recording of the audio problem'. Emotiva needed to call these problem processors a loss, and, perhaps put them in their test HT and make their own audio recordings. I think they won't do this because they 'know' the underlying problems, and, do want to get it right with G4P without too much publicity of current problems. They are caught between a rock and a hard place. Time is not on their side. The major publicly offered solution is wait for G4P. Emotiva is offering a Very reasonable upgrade path for current owners of G3P. I'm waiting, and not knowing if G4P will fix anything. The longer this takes, the more frustration loyal owners with continuous problems will feel, and the longer they will experience an expensive "Mine doesn't work" processor. May you who have a stable processor continue to have a stable processor. I am exploring ALL current and future options.
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Post by thxultra on May 1, 2024 8:35:09 GMT -5
Concerning owners with stable processors The fact that your processor is stable does not fix the processor problems of others. Some people have continuous problems and Emotiva is unresponsive. No amount of talk about sound quality; how well Your processor works; or how great the 'service' is from Emotiva; The 'Lemons' that some of us have are Not being fixed. Tell me again how 'wonderful' Your processor is. Perhaps Your next comment will fix My - or someone else's - 'Lemon', while we wait for G4P Godot. If you've got a problem with the product that the company isn't fixing that is not our problem. Move on to a new manufacturer, don't be fooled by returning to the same well. We're sharing our experience, quit pissing and moaning. In his defense this is a thread about the the processor post firmware 3.2. He is in his right to complain here. For those of us that have these issues daily it is really frustrating.
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Post by cawgijoe on May 1, 2024 9:58:11 GMT -5
For my sake so I don't have to search. could you summarize your issues? Also, what did Emotiva suggest before they ignored you? I have the same reoccurring problems noted on every page of this forum. I also note that every time someone states a problem there are a few who retort "Mine works". I'm happy for the "Mine works" people, however, it doesn't fix the minority of processors with continuous problems. There is a board attempt to gas-light owners of problem processors with words like "Move on", and "quit pissing and moaning". I paid for and earned the right to be here and state my processor problems as well as the right to state what I like about my RMC-1L. I've done both. A little more empathy will go a longer way on the forum. A few complaints go hyperbolic, and could be disregarded. I don't like the hyperbolic complaints or the "Mine works" responses. Neither serves anything good. Over time, my own thinking has changed a bit. Suggestions from Emotiva have been 'wait for FW', and, 'please make an audio recording of the audio problem'. Emotiva needed to call these problem processors a loss, and, perhaps put them in their test HT and make their own audio recordings. I think they won't do this because they 'know' the underlying problems, and, do want to get it right with G4P without too much publicity of current problems. They are caught between a rock and a hard place. Time is not on their side. The major publicly offered solution is wait for G4P. Emotiva is offering a Very reasonable upgrade path for current owners of G3P. I'm waiting, and not knowing if G4P will fix anything. The longer this takes, the more frustration loyal owners with continuous problems will feel, and the longer they will experience an expensive "Mine doesn't work" processor. May you who have a stable processor continue to have a stable processor. I am exploring ALL current and future options. This doesn't entirely answer my question. Please put the recurring problems you are having in a numbered or bulleted list. There are alot of posts here, maybe someone can provide a solution or workaround, for now. It would help if you could list the equipment you have connected to the processor and how. "Wait for FW" is not a good answer as we never know when this will be released, if ever. Making an audio recording or video recording is likely helpful however. Sometimes the problem may be due to other products that the Emotiva processor is connected to, so Emotiva may not have seen this issue on their end. I know they have purchased different TV models to try and troubleshoot. Trying to help here....
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Post by foggy1956 on May 1, 2024 10:07:40 GMT -5
If you've got a problem with the product that the company isn't fixing that is not our problem. Move on to a new manufacturer, don't be fooled by returning to the same well. We're sharing our experience, quit pissing and moaning. In his defense this is a thread about the the processor post firmware 3.2. He is in his right to complain here. For those of us that have these issues daily it is really frustrating. I agree, I would just choose not to be jumped for sharing my relatively positive experience. I am certain this is the first time anyone has qualified me as a fanboy.😂
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Post by thxultra on May 1, 2024 10:15:18 GMT -5
In his defense this is a thread about the the processor post firmware 3.2. He is in his right to complain here. For those of us that have these issues daily it is really frustrating. I agree, I would just choose not to be jumped for sharing my relatively positive experience. I am certain this is the first time anyone has qualified me as a fanboy.😂 I agree with this also. Really no reason for anyone to be jumped in the end it is just a piece of hifi equipment! As frustrated as I have become with mine I also hope I haven't been vulgar about the problems I'm having.
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Post by Lsc on May 1, 2024 10:16:48 GMT -5
In his defense this is a thread about the the processor post firmware 3.2. He is in his right to complain here. For those of us that have these issues daily it is really frustrating. I agree, I would just choose not to be jumped for sharing my relatively positive experience. I am certain this is the first time anyone has qualified me as a fanboy.😂 I also have an XMC2 that is mostly problem free with general functionality. I do have the metallic sound on occasion and sometimes the XMC2 shuts off around 10 min after I start to listen to music using bluesound on coax input. Right. We are not fanboys by any means - if anything others were fanboys until they realized emotiva will not give the upgrade customers priority based on their history. We can certainly express that our units work well and that we want DLBC. If they don’t like what we say, they can move on and not read our post. 😉
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Post by geebo on May 1, 2024 10:27:10 GMT -5
I think experiences both good and bad are important here so that newcomers will not only read of the problems some may be having. They need to see the positive experiences, too. Being a fanboy or a poohboy has nothing to do with whether the processors work well for us or not.
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Post by PaulBe on May 1, 2024 11:43:05 GMT -5
I think experiences both good and bad are important here so that newcomers will not only read of the problems some may be having. They need to see the positive experiences, too. Being a fanboy or a poohboy has nothing to do with whether the processors work well for us or not. Known and continuous problems, stated on the board, are not fixed by someone responding that their processor works for them and is stable. There are obviously enough unfixable G3P specific problems for Emotiva to offer such a nice upgrade price - assuming there will be a G4P. I'm also assuming it will work as intended. These stability issues are Not going to be fixed by constant review of connected equipment. They are processor issues. All of us who have years of continuous issues have done everything to minimize potential connected equipment issues. For my own part, sources are blu-ray players and the balanced analog output of a phono preamp. That’s it. All HDMI cables are Zeskit and Ruipro 8K and and have inserted CEC-less adapters. No automation. No fancy routing. Minimal use of bass management, only for the 2 height channels, which doesn’t fully work anyway. No PEQ or room correction from the RMC. I setup the speaker layout for size, level, and distance, and add a few Preferences. IT’S THE PROCESSOR... Keying on my use of the word fanboy to make one appear to be a victim makes a nice diversionary strawman to argue about. Telling me, a frustrated 4 and 1/2 year owner with a LEMON processor, to ‘move on’ and quit ‘pissing and moaning’, is disgusting. I don’t care what color of ‘dog’ you are. People can choose to not read my posts too. This response is to several recent posts; not just yours.
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Post by geebo on May 1, 2024 12:10:40 GMT -5
I think experiences both good and bad are important here so that newcomers will not only read of the problems some may be having. They need to see the positive experiences, too. Being a fanboy or a poohboy has nothing to do with whether the processors work well for us or not. Known and continuous problems, stated on the board, are not fixed by someone responding that their processor works for them and is stable. There are obviously enough unfixable G3P specific problems for Emotiva to offer such a nice upgrade price - assuming there will be a G4P. I'm also assuming it will work as intended. These stability issues are Not going to be fixed by constant review of connected equipment. They are processor issues. All of us who have years of continuous issues have done everything to minimize potential connected equipment issues. For my own part, sources are blu-ray players and the balanced analog output of a phono preamp. That’s it. All HDMI cables are Zeskit and Ruipro 8K and and have inserted CEC-less adapters. No automation. No fancy routing. Minimal use of bass management, only for the 2 height channels, which doesn’t fully work anyway. No PEQ or room correction from the RMC. I setup the speaker layout for size, level, and distance, and add a few Preferences. IT’S THE PROCESSOR... Keying on my use of the word fanboy to make one appear to be a victim makes a nice diversionary strawman to argue about. Telling me, a frustrated 4 and 1/2 year owner with a LEMON processor, to ‘move on’ and quit ‘pissing and moaning’, is disgusting. I don’t care what color of ‘dog’ you are. People can choose to not read my posts too. This response is to several recent posts; not just yours. If you post negative comments then be prepared to have opposing experiences reported because there are indeed opposing experiences.
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