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Post by SticknStones on Jan 5, 2023 17:08:13 GMT -5
I have a very simple setup. XMC-2 with HDMI to HDMI Arc on Samsung HDMI 3 is for Firestick HDMI 1 is for the Dish Cable box If I play YouTube on the Dish option using HDMI1 on XMC everything from music to golf lessons is highly distorted really bad not just a little bit If I switch to HDMI 3 and play YouTube on Firestick it is the same result where it is virtually unlistenable. All other entertainment options are fine like Amazon Prime and regular dish programming. The only common denominator is the HDMI from XMC2 to Samsung but I spoke with Emotiva and we do not think it's the HDMI cable. There are not many settings to play with I did the 1080P for YouTube instead of 720P. There are no sound settings to tweak on the Samsung as the sound is HDMI from the XMC2. I am on firmware 2.5. Thoughts from any of the holy electronic brains out there?  |
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Post by ttocs on Jan 5, 2023 19:00:59 GMT -5
Can't help with the holy grail of brains as I wasn't able to answer 'these questions three' correctly. Something about the air speed of an unladen swallow, . . .
But, on a TiVo EDGE and Roku Ultra, YouTube audio sounds fine.
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Post by Boomzilla on Jan 6, 2023 9:36:22 GMT -5
I think it's your HDMI connection, SticknStones - Mine sounds fine via USB. |
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Post by LuisV on Jan 6, 2023 13:16:11 GMT -5
Sorry to report, but I'm not having any issues with YouTube regardless of playing videos within my HT or Living room setups.
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Post by KeithL on Jan 6, 2023 14:24:02 GMT -5
Could the problem be Youtube itself? The normal computer Youtube client will automatically adjust video resolution if you have a relatively slow Internet connection... There are also different audio streams "available" from the Youtube servers. It could be that the Youtube clients on your devices are "downgrading' the audio for some reason. I've only ever used Youtube via a computer and, while the audio varies pretty widely between videos, it's usually at least decent. However, as far as your processor is concerned, we shouldn't be treating it any differently than any other HDMI video source... So that kind of suggests that there's something up with the source itself. I have a very simple setup. XMC-2 with HDMI to HDMI Arc on Samsung HDMI 3 is for Firestick HDMI 1 is for the Dish Cable box If I play YouTube on the Dish option using HDMI1 on XMC everything from music to golf lessons is highly distorted really bad not just a little bit If I switch to HDMI 3 and play YouTube on Firestick it is the same result where it is virtually unlistenable. All other entertainment options are fine like Amazon Prime and regular dish programming. The only common denominator is the HDMI from XMC2 to Samsung but I spoke with Emotiva and we do not think it's the HDMI cable. There are not many settings to play with I did the 1080P for YouTube instead of 720P. There are no sound settings to tweak on the Samsung as the sound is HDMI from the XMC2. I am on firmware 2.5. Thoughts from any of the holy electronic brains out there? |
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Post by 405x5 on Jan 6, 2023 17:30:31 GMT -5
I have a very simple setup. XMC-2 with HDMI to HDMI Arc on Samsung HDMI 3 is for Firestick HDMI 1 is for the Dish Cable box If I play YouTube on the Dish option using HDMI1 on XMC everything from music to golf lessons is highly distorted really bad not just a little bit If I switch to HDMI 3 and play YouTube on Firestick it is the same result where it is virtually unlistenable. All other entertainment options are fine like Amazon Prime and regular dish programming. The only common denominator is the HDMI from XMC2 to Samsung but I spoke with Emotiva and we do not think it's the HDMI cable. There are not many settings to play with I did the 1080P for YouTube instead of 720P. There are no sound settings to tweak on the Samsung as the sound is HDMI from the XMC2. I am on firmware 2.5. Thoughts from any of the holy electronic brains out there? I run a YouTube app on my Sony Blu-ray player utilizing a Linksys 3 node mesh maximizing my internet connection. + XMC1 and the rest…..I play my favorite “Tubes” and the artists on those links blow me away with clarity and realism (most). |
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Post by vcautokid on Jan 6, 2023 17:39:54 GMT -5
One tell would be to try the devices on another audio preamplifier processor or receiver if possible one at a time to see if the distortion still occurs. As much as it is easy to make light of YouTube audio. Assuming what was put up there was good to begin with. YouTube will increase or compress the audio level as needed from a content creator upload. I forget if is -14 or -18db LUFS is what YouTube wants from us creators. So it is unlikely that YouTube is the culprit. I am leaning on a source being the issue.
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Post by SticknStones on Jan 9, 2023 12:48:19 GMT -5
We have an investment property for an AirBNB that we have been remodeling. I installed 2 more Samsung TV's and a Denon Sound Bar on one of them. If I stream the 'Cafe Jazz' on YouTube it sounds just fine with no issues whatsoever and the same internet provider as well that is about 5 minutes from our home.
Thanks for all the commentary.
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Post by SticknStones on Jan 10, 2023 11:54:27 GMT -5
So, I thought that maybe it is the ARC HDMI cable after reading your posts and for whatever reason, it was faulty on YouTube. I tested a new cable today and viola.....no distortion on YouTube. Fickle stuff sometimes but glad to be able to watch my golf lessons again.
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Post by 405x5 on Jan 11, 2023 14:21:36 GMT -5
So, I thought that maybe it is the ARC HDMI cable after reading your posts and for whatever reason, it was faulty on YouTube. I tested a new cable today and viola.....no distortion on YouTube. Fickle stuff sometimes but glad to be able to watch my golf lessons again. HDMI is today’s necessary “EVIL” in today’s game and can be a real pain in the ass. Never liked the physical connection….wish they had developed it modeled after the tried and true “S” video connector and then expanded upon that instead of putting a square peg in a round hole. ….And the wire itself being complicated makes it more prone to failure than conventional wiring. |
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Post by vcautokid on Jan 11, 2023 21:42:24 GMT -5
I almost wish HDMI would have been fiber and a BNC connection. It would be. vastly superior than HDMI as it is. What a stupid connection it is. Copper and prone to failure. Length restrictions. It really is a dark ages connection in our times. HDMI has never been for us, and is for the greedy sack of Schitt movie industry and no one else. Which again is why I minimize HDMI whenever I can. I don’t support I’ll fated greedy schemes.
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Post by KeithL on Jan 12, 2023 10:18:58 GMT -5
At this point in time there is really little need for HDMI ... We all get our content these days from either: - a coaxial cable (cable from cable or from a dish) - an Ethernet cable (streaming) - a video disc (4k UHD or Blu-Ray) All of those signals will cheerfully "fit" through an Ethernet cable. The only "reason" for HDMI is to allow us to decode the signal in one box - then send it to another box - the TV - to be shown. It is the "decoded video stream" that requires the massive bandwidth that HDMI provides. It makes MUCH more sense to simply send the video stream directly to the TV. The TV has plenty of processing power to decode it and can also optimize the image quality for its panel. The TV can then send either decode the audio for its own speakers... Or pass it on to your processor to play. And all of that will work just fine over plain old Ethernet. In terms of the actual data stream (which includes both the encoded video and audio): - Blu-Ray discs deliver about 40 mBps - 4k UHD discs deliver up to 128 mBps - and most streaming services need somewhere slightly below those None of that is anywhere near the ridiculous bandwidth involved with HDMI. To be honest I have never understood the "industry obsession with security" that is claimed to justify HDMI. The encryption employed with HDMI makes it very difficult to intercept and record the video signal... Unfortunately, due to its added complexity, it is also responsible for a large percentage of the problems consumers have when trying to watch a video. And, to be quite blunt, that's not where the signal is usually intercepted or recorded, so that security offers virtually no benefit. (I personally do believe that HDMI does offer some serious benefits... it's just too bad that they're so badly offset by the problems it causes.) I almost wish HDMI would have been fiber and a BNC connection. It would be. vastly superior than HDMI as it is. What a stupid connection it is. Copper and prone to failure. Length restrictions. It really is a dark ages connection in our times. HDMI has never been for us, and is for the greedy sack of Schitt movie industry and no one else. Which again is why I minimize HDMI whenever I can. I don’t support I’ll fated greedy schemes. |
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Post by KeithL on Jan 12, 2023 10:23:00 GMT -5
I absolutely agree... While the audio quality on YouTube videos varies pretty widely, as do the production values, it is quite capable of sounding pretty good. Note that, like other steaming sources, the YouTube stream must be decoded, and the client software on different devices varies widely there. One tell would be to try the devices on another audio preamplifier processor or receiver if possible one at a time to see if the distortion still occurs. As much as it is easy to make light of YouTube audio. Assuming what was put up there was good to begin with. YouTube will increase or compress the audio level as needed from a content creator upload. I forget if is -14 or -18db LUFS is what YouTube wants from us creators. So it is unlikely that YouTube is the culprit. I am leaning on a source being the issue. |
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Post by SticknStones on Jan 17, 2023 9:32:44 GMT -5
I absolutely agree... While the audio quality on YouTube videos varies pretty widely, as do the production values, it is quite capable of sounding pretty good. Note that, like other steaming sources, the YouTube stream must be decoded, and the client software on different devices varies widely there. One tell would be to try the devices on another audio preamplifier processor or receiver if possible one at a time to see if the distortion still occurs. As much as it is easy to make light of YouTube audio. Assuming what was put up there was good to begin with. YouTube will increase or compress the audio level as needed from a content creator upload. I forget if is -14 or -18db LUFS is what YouTube wants from us creators. So it is unlikely that YouTube is the culprit. I am leaning on a source being the issue. Well, that did not last long. The new HDMI cable is now distorted on YouTube again. This is making me think it is electrical from the HDMI 2 Arc Output on the XMC-2? I do not understand how I can play YouTube through my XMC-2 without using HDMI with ethernet cables as you describe. |
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