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Post by chasintrane on Nov 11, 2009 21:12:37 GMT -5
Just curious, what would be the main reason to go with the XMC over a UMC/USP combo?
I'm with bootman all the way!! I hate streaming audio with a fiery passion whether it be pandora or crappy XM in the car. I'm not gonna throw down $1,000 on a killer unit to sit around and listen to that garbage.
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Post by MukAudio on Nov 11, 2009 22:33:10 GMT -5
They dropped the 2nd Zone (independent) video once they realized how HOT the processor would run. No wonder, no one else has a processor with two independent video outs... Crap, I didn't pick up on that until now. Thanks for pointing out. This is a major bummer. I had grand plans about having 1 DishDVR and 1 Blu-Ray and sharing them between the living room and bedroom. It can still be done, I just can't watch different stuff on the different TVs simultaneously. Mark.
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Post by mysterymachine on Nov 12, 2009 2:05:29 GMT -5
Is it confirmed the dual independant HDMI outs were dropped? If so that means I just jumped off the XMC train. That was the killer feature of this unit for me - I was so looking forward to it. (please please please someone from Emotiva tell me we're just reading the specs wrong and that wasn't dropped) At least with things like internet radio, streaming, heck even the fact that there are not enough HDMI inputs for some people, all of those you can get around with things like squeezebox or a autoswitching HDMI box (or manual and use remote). There are NO options for those of us wanting dual independant HDMI out for a room 2 situation.
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Post by bigred7078 on Nov 12, 2009 2:38:39 GMT -5
again all i got out of that was it saying it prevents excessive noise. Where does it talk about hot rodded analog? lol
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Post by roadrunner on Nov 12, 2009 4:05:02 GMT -5
again all i got out of that was it saying it prevents excessive noise. Where does it talk about hot rodded analog? lol Steve You have to take what you read on THAT CORP's web site and combine it with what Lonnie said last year when he first brought up the topic about a "hot rodded analog section. Emotiva is employing the highest precision parts in the discrete sections of analog and combining that with the Line Drivers from THAT. If memory serves me, Lonnie said that using those parts the potential for suppressing noise approaches 40 DB. So you start by using discrete analog circuits using very high precision parts; then you add very specialized line drivers that can suppression noise generation as much as 40 DB -- and what do you get? You get the "Hot Rodded Analog" performance that Lonnie was talking about. Just what did you think "Hot Rodded Analog" is? Did Lonnie say something that I am overlooking? I am trying to recall more of the specific details of what has been shared. I am not certain if what I am posting is from what Lonnie posted or if it is also from one of my long discussions on the phone with him. I know pieces of this post is from the conversation I had with Lonnie about comparing the analog sound quality of the USP-1 versus the UMC-1 and the XMC-1. Does any of this jog your memory about what has been said over the past year? Right now, my mind is not functioning as well as I would like. The weather front moving through this area has my pain level soaring; and, as a result I have just recently taken a big dose of pain killers. This is making it harder for me to recall the details more precisely. ;D ;D Hopefully, with all the questions that have arisen since the XMC-1's Specs were released, Lonnie will clarify many of our concerns during the next scheduled Web-cast. Have another beer, grab your puke bucket and go to bed. Tomorrow will be a brighter day.
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Post by will95 on Nov 12, 2009 4:12:23 GMT -5
Whoa! This is are real bummer. My primary interest in the XMC-1 was the dual independent video zones. Very disappointed in this change. I would prefer 2 independent video zones over all the new audio streaming features. The audio streaming is "interesting" and maybe a nice to have, but no way is it a priority for me over the former video specs. Wish EMO had surveyed their potential customers first on the product requirements. Big mistake in my view.
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Post by roadrunner on Nov 12, 2009 4:45:31 GMT -5
Whoa! This is are real bummer. My primary interest in the XMC-1 was the dual independent video zones. Very disappointed in this change. I would prefer 2 independent video zones over all the new audio streaming features. The audio streaming is "interesting" and maybe a nice to have, but no way is it a priority for me over the former video specs. Wish EMO had surveyed their potential customers first on the product requirements. Big mistake in my view. Why are you so certain that they have removed having 2 independent video zones? They have just said that they will have 2 HDMI outputs, but it is not at all clear what the exact configuration is. It could well be either way, based on what was in the specs. This is just another of the specs that need further clarification. I would wait until I knew with a high level of certainty before getting upset. You may well be panicing over nothing -- it still might have independent outputs. ;D
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Post by dmraupp on Nov 12, 2009 6:49:16 GMT -5
Just curious, what would be the main reason to go with the XMC over a UMC/USP combo? I'm with bootman all the way!! I hate streaming audio with a fiery passion whether it be pandora or crappy XM in the car. I'm not gonna throw down $1,000 on a killer unit to sit around and listen to that garbage. OK,did I miss where they listed the price,or are you just using $1000.00 as an example,was that price confirmed?
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Post by julien on Nov 12, 2009 10:13:45 GMT -5
XMC-1 to be release end of June 2010 per latest webcast 1109_2. Pre-orders start at the end of the first quarter... I pre-ordered mine almost a year ago (12-5-08).
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Post by Lonnie on Nov 12, 2009 10:53:40 GMT -5
Additional notes from Dan on the XMC specs: He states: A. These are preliminary features. That means, they're not cast in stone. Some things may change a bit, these are not final production details. B. There will be dual RCA outputs on the subwoofer, this was an oversight on the rendering, and will be corrected. C. There is an FM broadcast tuner incorporated into the Venice 6.2 module, so you got terrestrial radio. Before you ask, the reason there is no HD radio is because the Venice module allows you to stream digital radio content. We felt the expense and the feature itself was redundant, due to this fact. This is a fixed installation device, not a portable device. D. We have intentionally removed RS232, as 99 percent (99.96333264% to be exact ) of our customers use IR. There is a full suite of discrete commands for all relevant functions. Please note there is a rear panel IR input. E. There will be a moving coil and moving magnet selector switch added to the rear panel for phono use. F. We are hoping to add Rhapsody capability to the Venice module, but need final licensing to be resolved before we can formally confirm the feature. G. We've made the decision to use our own discrete balanced line section in place of the THAT solution as this has resulted in higher performance in our testing, and it is the same line driver section used in the ERC-1 to great success. H. The dual scaling feature was deleted after review and input from our customers. It is a very expensive feature, AND we found that what people REALLY wanted were dual HDMI outputs. More to come...no price to announce yet. More than 1k, less than 1500.
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Post by bootman on Nov 12, 2009 11:57:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the news. We really should delete the other thread with the same name as this one to avoid confusion. Plus that thread has gone way off course.
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Post by will95 on Nov 12, 2009 12:01:24 GMT -5
Dan....thank you for the clarification. While moot at this point, I, for one, did very much want the dual scaling feature and it was THE feature that put me in the queue for 1 year for an XMC-1. I recognize that the early spec posting was preliminary and do very much appreciate that EMO shared the preliminary spec way back with the forum. I am sure EMO has carefully considered the customer interests and product cost goals. Just bummed out about the news.
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Post by Lonnie on Nov 12, 2009 12:21:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the news. We really should delete the other thread with the same name as this one to avoid confusion. Plus that thread has gone way off course. I'm sure there will be cries of outrage if I delete the worthless thread...
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Post by hikinokie on Nov 12, 2009 12:22:10 GMT -5
I didn't see the dacs mentioned in the specs. They are?
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Post by DYohn on Nov 12, 2009 12:23:05 GMT -5
Thanks for the news. We really should delete the other thread with the same name as this one to avoid confusion. Plus that thread has gone way off course. I'm sure there will be cries of outrage if I delete the worthless thread... Just rename it, perhaps as "Worthless XMC-1 thread".
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Post by bootman on Nov 12, 2009 12:43:36 GMT -5
I'm sure there will be cries of outrage if I delete the worthless thread... Just rename it, perhaps as "Worthless XMC-1 thread". I would have deleted it by now, (believer in the strong pimp hand theory) but renaming it would also work. ;D
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Post by kkassen on Nov 12, 2009 12:53:03 GMT -5
Really bummed out that there is no RS232 port now. I was looking forward to tying this into my control system. IR is kind of a pain.
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Post by bigred7078 on Nov 12, 2009 13:05:33 GMT -5
Additional notes from Dan on the XMC specs: He states: A. These are preliminary features. That means, they're not cast in stone. Some things may change a bit, these are not final production details. B. There will be dual RCA outputs on the subwoofer, this was an oversight on the rendering, and will be corrected. C. There is an FM broadcast tuner incorporated into the Venice 6.2 module, so you got terrestrial radio. Before you ask, the reason there is no HD radio is because the Venice module allows you to stream digital radio content. We felt the expense and the feature itself was redundant, due to this fact. This is a fixed installation device, not a portable device. D. We have intentionally removed RS232, as 99 percent (99.96333264% to be exact ) of our customers use IR. There is a full suite of discrete commands for all relevant functions. Please note there is a rear panel IR input. E. There will be a moving coil and moving magnet selector switch added to the rear panel for phono use. F. We are hoping to add Rhapsody capability to the Venice module, but need final licensing to be resolved before we can formally confirm the feature. G. We've made the decision to use our own discrete balanced line section in place of the THAT solution as this has resulted in higher performance in our testing, and it is the same line driver section used in the ERC-1 to great success. H. The dual scaling feature was deleted after review and input from our customers. It is a very expensive feature, AND we found that what people REALLY wanted were dual HDMI outputs. More to come...no price to announce yet. More than 1k, less than 1500. can you confirm that there will only be 5 hdmi or was that also an oversight in the rendering?
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Post by mysterymachine on Nov 12, 2009 13:25:27 GMT -5
Additional notes from Dan on the XMC specs: He states: A. These are preliminary features. That means, they're not cast in stone. Some things may change a bit, these are not final production details. ... H. The dual scaling feature was deleted after review and input from our customers. It is a very expensive feature, AND we found that what people REALLY wanted were dual HDMI outputs. Dann, any chance that the dual HDMI outs are INDEPENDANT, just no scaler on the 2nd? I think the following would be almost as good as dual scaler - having the ability to set HDMI out 2 to be a copy of the output on 1 (running through the scaler) or tied to room 2 (independant and not running through the scaler) user selectable. So you can set it to be independant or just tied as a second out. Hopefully that makes sense. If the above is not doable are both outputs active at a time? I really need to know becuase if the XMC is going to work for me I'd want to take advantage of the Holiday sale to buy an amp for eventual XMC partnership
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Post by sanlanman on Nov 12, 2009 13:32:18 GMT -5
Dann wrote above:
"E. There will be a moving coil and moving magnet selector switch added to the rear panel for phono use."
PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE! Consider making this a 3 way switch, with the third position bypassing the RIAA phono preamp boost and equalization, so this pair of RCA jacks can be used as a 3rd pair of normal RCA line inputs.
Some buyers will need the 3 sets of analog RCA inputs for legacy equipment and/or do not have an analog turntable, and some others like me have an outboard phono preamp that we are already happy with, having matched that outboard amp to the type of cartridge and turntable setup it is used with. There is no such thing as a standard voltage for MM (Moving Magnet) or MC (Moving Coil) cartridges, although they typically fall into 2 different magnitude ranges. Unless amplification and capacitance is adjustable in the XMC phono preamp section, some turntable and cartridge setups are better served by certain outboard phono preamp/equalization stages.
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