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Post by billmac on Mar 6, 2010 17:33:30 GMT -5
Good post threxx. Funny thing is that the two threads which were closed by Lonnie, were really very tame as threads around here go and actually contained some helpful discussion. Excellent post threxx  ! raylock, I agree with you 100% that both the threads that were closed yesterday were very tame in content and informative as well. It seems the Mods do not have a problem when some members try to tell others what they should or should not say. But when someone responds to those posts then that person is being difficult  . Bill |
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Post by coolhands on Mar 6, 2010 17:42:14 GMT -5
Bill,
here we go nagging again. Blah, Bla, Blah!
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Post by NorthStar on Mar 6, 2010 18:18:46 GMT -5
Not to be disrespectful coolhands, but I find your post is not bringing anything constructive,
or even fun for that matter.
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Post by billmac on Mar 6, 2010 18:19:51 GMT -5
Bill, here we go nagging again. Blah, Bla, Blah! Yes here we go and another worthwhile post from you ;D. Bill |
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Post by NorthStar on Mar 6, 2010 18:23:23 GMT -5
All right I'm outta here.
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Post by Wideawake on Mar 6, 2010 21:25:06 GMT -5
threxx, you have a valid point, however, having read the two locked threads, it is quite clear that Emotiva is not telling you to return the UMC-1 because it costs only $700. Each thread has one person who mentioned that. Of the two people who said that, one is a new member and from what I could deduce he does not even own the UMC-1. No other fanboys have said anything like that. So, I'm perplexed as to why you have your knickers in a knot. The forum currently has ~5000 members. Many are helpful and have provided very good suggestions and insights to people having issues with the UMC-1. Emotiva has created videos explaining how the EmoQ works. They have put out a software patch for the unit. Further, Emotiva has promised new software updates to resolve issues. And yet, you see only the posts telling you to return the unit since you can't expect much from a $700 processor! Just ignore those people.
Do you honestly believe that Emotiva does not care about their customers? They are doing their best to iron out all the wrinkles in the UMC-1. As for locking the threads, perhaps you want to visit the locked threads again and I hope that you will see that there is no constructive information being shared as the thread degenerates. It is clear that the thread was not locked because someone was stating their issues with the UMC-1. Emotiva wants to know about all the issues with the UMC-1, as would any other company. Somebody from Emotiva is probably taking notes on the issues being reported by users via the forum, phone and email, so that those issues may be addressed. It does not help anyone when people complain and threaten and throw fits.
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Post by threxx on Mar 6, 2010 22:02:11 GMT -5
threxx, you have a valid point, however, having read the two locked threads, it is quite clear that Emotiva is not telling you to return the UMC-1 because it costs only $700. Each thread has one person who mentioned that. Of the two people who said that, one is a new member and from what I could deduce he does not even own the UMC-1. No other fanboys have said anything like that. It seems nearly every thread I read where a person is having problems with the UMC-1 somebody says something similar. Granted it's probably one of the same 5 people in every thread. Actually in the thread about the UMC-1 'popping' Admin (Emo) did use a very similar line about 'well if you don't like it then just send it back' but he later apologized for being unprofessional and said he was under a lot of stress. Still it makes me wonder about any behind the curtains resentment they might be harboring toward people who have firmware update requests. I agree there are many helpful members here. If there weren't I wouldn't even post in these forums. Though FWIW there may be 5000 registered IDs in the history of this forum but I bet there hasn't been any more than 100 or so truly active members posting in this forum recently. The point of my post was not to say this forum is no good... again, if I thought that, I wouldn't be here. I just wanted to explain how fan boys, in my eyes, are a significant source of tension for people that just want their UMC to work as advertised. Actually personally I don't think it wasn't a bad idea to lock those threads since they had degenerated into personal insults. I was simply speaking in general about the attitude of some people on the forum. Since earlier in the thread people were saying how there was too much negativity from people not satisfied with their UMC-1 and that they were causing tension on the forum... I was simply trying to explain how fan boys were causing tension as well, and gave a couple examples. |
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Post by Wideawake on Mar 6, 2010 22:41:05 GMT -5
threxx, 'well if you don't like it then just send it back' is not the same as saying 'what do you expect from a $700 product'. As for the stress, I believe it. Consider that it took 3+ years to develop the UMC-1. This is Lonnie's baby and he's is very proud of it. Does it have issues? Sure, but then it is a complex product. Like any complex product, version 1 will never be completely free of bugs. Now consider that in addition to all the issues with the UMC-1, there are people who are getting downright personal about this stuff, hurling accusations and such. Add to that the fact that Emotiva is developing several other products, not only for the Emo line but also for other companies. They have trade shows to attend and myriad other activities that takes up Lonnie's time. I sometimes wonder if he sleeps at all at night. This would stress anyone out. Lonnie might be a wonderful engineer but he's also a human being with feelings. :-)
Regarding the fanboys, some are genuine in their love for the company. Some feel very strongly and don't think before they speak (write). Then again, I believe (and this is solely my opinion, not based on conversations with anyone else) that a few of the fanboys are here to create trouble. They are wolves disguised as sheep. With the success that Emotiva has had, it is likely that competitors want to bring this company down. Smart consumers will recognize this and ignore these people and their silly comments that are meant to incite people and cause havoc for the company.
threxx, you seem to be a reasonable person. I'm merely pointing out things that you and others in your shoes may not have considered. I suggest that, if you're so inclined, to hang in there, be a little patient and discerning and I'm sure that Emotiva will work out the kinks in the UMC-1 as quickly as they possibly can. And most of all, steer clear of "fanboys" who try to rile the group.
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Post by klinemj on Mar 6, 2010 22:43:14 GMT -5
To all those bickering in this thread...please take your bickering off line...go the PM route please. And please, I am so sick of the use of the term "fanboy"...to all using it in a derogatory tone toward others, please stop doing that. It is quite rude.
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Post by oneliterpeter on Mar 6, 2010 23:00:51 GMT -5
Admin, I really urge you to be more balanced in your approach. -clip- You do know that "Admin" is currently Lonnie Vaughn, the General manager and Chief Engineer of Emotiva, don't you? Oh, and I speak for only myself when I say there is nothing wrong with the AVSFORUM, but there is really something desperately wrong with many of the people who post there, or at least something really wrong with their attitudes. If you want to be instantly attacked for any opinion at all, that is the place to post. That attitude has been creeping in on this forum, and I would prefer that those threads get instantly locked than to see this place descend to the level that is apparently not just tolerated but encouraged at AVS. Some things are better left unsaid... Like your last post.  |
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Post by Wideawake on Mar 6, 2010 23:02:54 GMT -5
To all those bickering in this thread...please take your bickering off line...go the PM route please. And please, I am so sick of the use of the term "fanboy"...to all using it in a derogatory tone toward others, please stop doing that. It is quite rude. You sleeping on the couch today? Is that why you're so crabby?  Nobody is "bickering". We're sharing our points of view in a civil manner. BTW, I did not see any PMs from you about this. Have a good night and sweet dreams. |
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Post by gtrdad on Mar 6, 2010 23:08:16 GMT -5
In my opinion ALL the best internet forums have well communicated online behavior expectations and Mods who enforce community standands fairly.
It's incredibly difficult to convey tone via text-based communication, and when emotions are involved, it's easy for messages to be misunderstood. Think twice before hitting 'post', and try to give others the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by jr1414 on Mar 7, 2010 21:51:25 GMT -5
I'll have to be honest, I let this post lay for a day or two and have found that people are more inclined to discuss forum behavior than answer an actual question. This forum should be a great avenue for questions, discussion, educating the consumers, but unfortunately, too many people want to make this their personal sounding board to vent.
My questions still remain unanswered, and we're already on post #32.
So please, I have asked my questions in good faith, as a potential purchaser of the UMC-1. I would prefer to have the answers, or some form of answer to base my decision to purchase this processor or now. If you cannot contribute an informed answer, please do not respond.
If you feel the need to voice your displeasure with this request, feel free to bombard my PM. Fill it up, I promise you'll feel better, and I'll read and delete each one.... Otherwise please do not respond unless you have some imformation that is relevant to the questions. Thank you.
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Post by bootman on Mar 7, 2010 22:43:08 GMT -5
Your two concerns pretty much nail the current issues with the UMC. 1) HDMI. I don't work for Emotiva, but with this being their first HDMI based product and wanting to play by the rules (new ones for 2010 at that) they are being stung with backward compatibility with earlier implementations of HDMI that where not as stringent as before. (Copy protection being one of the main drivers) I think they can make it less "compliant" to help with pre 2009 equipment, but I don't know if there are legal implications to do this in 2010. I'm reading of "new" HDMI issues from other companies in other forums which is how I'm drawing this conclusion. Maybe I'm way off base, but that is how I see it from the outside. From a consumer's point of view, this just makes system integration harder. Emotiva has a fine line to walk between customer satisfaction and licensing requirements. 2) EmoQ. this too is Emotiva's first venture into the world of room EQ. They have a tough act to follow with their customized version of Cirrus's room EQ implementation. www.cirrus.com/en/products/pro/techs/T6.htmlI believe they are using the CS4970xx in the UMC. The current issues with EmoQ should be fixed via firmware once they tweak the program some more. Maybe its something as simple as the mic originally used in programing the system is now somewhat different than that currently shipped? (Of course this is just pure speculation on my part.) Even veteran Audyssey has its critics and they went through many different implementations before gaining any kind of widespread acceptance. Thoughts? |
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Post by BillBauman on Mar 8, 2010 9:57:25 GMT -5
jr1414, Your last post makes it sound as though you asked some particular question that wasn't answered. Your original post made several observation, stated some hypothetical questions, and ended in "Perhaps someone from Emotiva can shed a little more light on these areas? It would go a long way to restoring my faith in the product." So, the only directly requested action on your part was for Emotiva to comment. In that case, the only recommendation to be made is that you call Emotiva directly, speak with them, state your concerns, listen to what they have to say, and decide whether or not to purchase.
This thread actually has a lot of information on your topic. Theory, hypotheses, supposition, because no one can say for sure. We have provided our opinions in response to your hypotheticals and your observations / opinions. There have been recommendations of alternative products, as well.
So what have you asked in good faith that anyone here (not working for Emotiva) is capable of answering in good faith that hasn't been addressed?
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Post by Wideawake on Mar 8, 2010 12:17:57 GMT -5
+1 to Billbauman's post. I will also add that if you're looking for help/info from forum members, which as Bill indicated has already been provided, your patronizing, condescending and admonishing attitude will probably not get you what you're looking for. As forum members, we're under no obligation to help anyone. If we do, it is out of the goodness of our hearts and our passion for audio and/or video. Try saying "please" sometime and see what a difference that makes. I suggest that you read your last post again and put yourself in our shoes. How would you like that tone of voice used on you? And then you wonder why we discuss form behavior!?!?
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Post by DYohn on Mar 8, 2010 12:21:44 GMT -5
Some things are better left unsaid... Like your last post. Eh?  |
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Post by oneliterpeter on Mar 8, 2010 12:57:26 GMT -5
Some things are better left unsaid... Like your last post. Eh? The point I was making was that if Lonnie chose to post under the handle "Admin" then he'd probably be doing it to remain somewhat anonymous and if he wanted everyone to know that it was him... then wouldn't it be better if he was to make a posted stating that he was as you put it... "Lonnie Vaughn GM of Emotiva". |
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Post by DYohn on Mar 8, 2010 13:02:12 GMT -5
Eh? The point I was making was that if Lonnie chose to post under the handle "Admin" then he'd probably be doing it to remain somewhat anonymous and if he wanted everyone to know that it was him... then wouldn't it be better if he was to make a posted stating that he was as you put it... "Lonnie Vaughn GM of Emotiva". Ah. I didn't think of that at all, especially since if you click on the user "Admin" you see his email address is "lonnie emotiva.com." |
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