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Post by billmac on Mar 8, 2010 13:37:56 GMT -5
I installed my UMC-1 today and all seems fine except when I select the Uncompressed PCM track of Casino Royale it only plays in 2 CH PCM. I went into the Advanced Playback menu and selected MultiPCM then selected Direct. But everytime I select the M/C PCM track it only plays in Stereo. Is this a known issue or something that has not been posted. I will post my impressions with the UMC-1 when time permits as I have spent most of the day playing with the UMC-1  . I have a little housework to do.  . I will add briefly that setting up my Harmony 688 went quite well once I got all the discrete commands setup. So far the 688 works quite well . Bill |
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Post by bootman on Mar 8, 2010 13:41:12 GMT -5
Humm, direct with PCM doesn't sound right to me.
What player do you have?
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Post by red5ive on Mar 8, 2010 13:53:29 GMT -5
Prior to the firmware update you could get multi-ch stereo that would do post-processing for MultiPCM encoded blu-rays. However, due to "popular demand" and a lack of a 2-CH Stereo only option this was changed to 2-CH stereo only. I personally feel there needs to be both a 2-CH stereo and Multi-CH stereo option with post processing. Not so much to satisfy both the purists and those who want multi-ch music, but because your only options for Multi-ch PCM encoded blu-ray films are Direct (which does not engage post-processing for obvious reasons) and Dolby PLIIx, the latter of which I'm not really a fan of.
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Post by BillBauman on Mar 8, 2010 13:54:34 GMT -5
Have you set the mode for this input to Stereo or a similar 2-channel only mode?
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Post by roadrunner on Mar 8, 2010 14:08:09 GMT -5
I seem to remember that Lonnie posted that the "Direct" option on the UMC-1 was pure analog, 2-channel option. It is a little fuzzy at the moment, but that may be why you are only getting stereo output.
A quick call to Emotiva should either confirm this or provide you with the correct usage of that setting. Have fun playing with the various options.
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Post by billmac on Mar 8, 2010 14:30:52 GMT -5
Humm, direct with PCM doesn't sound right to me. What player do you have? I have the Panasonic BD30. I checked all the audio settings with the BD30 and they are all set correctly. When chosing Multi PCM in the Advanced Playback menu you have selections for Stereo, Direct, DSP and DDPLIIx. I thought you could use the Direct setting with Multichannel sources and still get MCH. I tried DSP and DDPLIIx and it did not sound very good. Basically I am not getting the Uncompressed 5.1 track off of the disc. Bill |
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Post by ratmice on Mar 8, 2010 14:50:26 GMT -5
Bill are connecting by HDMI? If not, the hi-rez LPCM is limited to 2-channel, I believe - either on OPT or COAX.
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Post by red5ive on Mar 8, 2010 14:57:42 GMT -5
Humm, direct with PCM doesn't sound right to me. What player do you have? I have the Panasonic BD30. I checked all the audio settings with the BD30 and they are all set correctly. When chosing Multi PCM in the Advanced Playback menu you have selections for Stereo, Direct, DSP and DDPLIIx. I thought you could use the Direct setting with Multichannel sources and still get MCH. I tried DSP and DDPLIIx and it did not sound very good. Basically I am not getting the Uncompressed 5.1 track off of the disc. Bill Ah, ok, thanks for clarifying that. If the unit doesn't have a defect it has to be a setting somewhere because mine is multi-channel in Direct mode with Multi PCM encoded discs. I just popped in Undeworld Evolution (which is English Uncompressed 5.1 like most early Sony titles), and Direct mode is indeed multi-ch and not just 2-ch stereo. My source is a BDP-80 set to bitstream. |
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Post by oppman99 on Mar 8, 2010 16:26:41 GMT -5
Ah, ok, thanks for clarifying that. If the unit doesn't have a defect it has to be a setting somewhere because mine is multi-channel in Direct mode with Multi PCM encoded discs. I just popped in Undeworld Evolution (which is English Uncompressed 5.1 like most early Sony titles), and Direct mode is indeed multi-ch and not just 2-ch stereo. My source is a BDP-80 set to bitstream. I ran into the same issue with the same disc. I have to take some more time to make sure my settings are all correct though. If the sountrack is PCM (Underworld), then your player should be set to PCM instead of bitstream, correct? I set both my player and UMC to PCM and it sounded a little off. Like I said, I need to take some more time to go back and fiddle a little bit. |
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Post by billmac on Mar 8, 2010 16:48:41 GMT -5
Bill are connecting by HDMI? If not, the hi-rez LPCM is limited to 2-channel, I believe - either on OPT or COAX. Hey Mat, Yes I'm using HDMI. After reading some of the other posts here I must have a setting off somewhere. I will have to check into more later tonight. Bill |
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Post by red5ive on Mar 8, 2010 16:52:49 GMT -5
Ah, ok, thanks for clarifying that. If the unit doesn't have a defect it has to be a setting somewhere because mine is multi-channel in Direct mode with Multi PCM encoded discs. I just popped in Undeworld Evolution (which is English Uncompressed 5.1 like most early Sony titles), and Direct mode is indeed multi-ch and not just 2-ch stereo. My source is a BDP-80 set to bitstream. I ran into the same issue with the same disc. I have to take some more time to make sure my settings are all correct though. If the sountrack is PCM (Underworld), then your player should be set to PCM instead of bitstream, correct? I set both my player and UMC to PCM and it sounded a little off. Like I said, I need to take some more time to go back and fiddle a little bit. I just tried Underworld Evolution and National Treasure (both are PCM 5.1) bitstreamed and PCM from the Oppo BDP-80, and Direct mode is playing them in multi-channel. Also, it will sound "off" if you have Direct mode engaged (which I believe is the default) as post processing (such as crossover settings) are bypassed in Direct mode. |
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Post by oppman99 on Mar 8, 2010 17:09:40 GMT -5
Thanks, I will have to check on that.
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Post by billmac on Mar 8, 2010 23:06:15 GMT -5
I checked and rechecked all the settings with both my UMC-1 and the BD30 and there is no reason why I should not be getting the MCH PCM track . A few other things popped up while I was checking the settings. When I finished watching 24 I switched to the Bluray input which switched to the proper inputs no problem but my display showed static and green flashes. I had to change inputs several times for the video and audio to come back. Then while checking the audio settings in the menu I lost all audio but the sub. With just the sub playing I could hear voices (no alcohol involved ;D) and other audio through the sub that are definitely not LFE material. I really have to admit I am somewhat frustrated at this point as I have spent 5-6 hours today setting up the UMC-1. Not to be negative but it really should not be this difficult to setup. Losing audio and video several times today is not good and hopefully the upcoming FW will correct these issues. Just for the heck of it I just tried another BR (The Prestige) with MCH PCM and I am only getting PCM 2.0 . On both Casino Royale and The Prestige the DD tracks are fine. So I'm about given up on the MCH PCM option as I can not think of any other settings that could possibly help. I had no problem decoding MCH PCM with both these discs with my 886. Bill |
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Post by mdanderson on Mar 9, 2010 1:15:30 GMT -5
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Post by lewers on Mar 9, 2010 1:44:15 GMT -5
Some of the things you're describing sound familiar to me. After the firmware update, but before loading the factory default settings, my UMC-1 was acting similarly.
A pain in the a$$ I know, but if the settings are right and things like multichannel PCM won't work right (both Casino Royale and the Prestige work as expected for me) and the weirdness continues (vocal out the sub for example) you might want to give it a try.
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Post by bootman on Mar 9, 2010 8:49:58 GMT -5
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Post by billmac on Mar 9, 2010 9:29:34 GMT -5
bootman, My BD30 does not have the latest FW but the MCH PCM tracks play fine with my 886 so I'm sure it is a setting I'm missing. I will call Emotiva later today to see what they think. Bill |
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Post by billmac on Mar 9, 2010 12:06:00 GMT -5
Quick update on the MCH PCM issue. I just tried the HD/DVD version of Transformers which has a DD+ track. The UMC-1 played the DD+ track correctly as MCH PCM . So as I thought it has to be a setting with my BD30 or possibly the UMC-1 (for the Bluray input) that I have set incorrectly. So I'm making progress, I just have to figure out what I'm doing wrong  . Bill |
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Post by billmac on Mar 15, 2010 11:40:52 GMT -5
I just put my 886 back in my system as some of the issues with the UMC-1 are frustrating and I will wait to see if the upcoming FW will correct them. I checked to see if I could get the MCH PCM tracks with the 886 and I was able to with no issues. So it appears the issue is with the UMC-1 and not the BD30.
Bill
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Post by testerdennis on Mar 15, 2010 12:28:55 GMT -5
Hi I just tried this too and it will not play 5.1 uncompressed. I double checked the settings in panny bd60 bluray. I tried bitstream and PCM same thing only 2 channels from UMC-1. I am running HDMI too. Movie Underworld Evolution. I have also tried with PS3 and same result.
Thanks
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. I have a little housework to do. 
. I will add briefly that setting up my Harmony 688 went quite well once I got all the discrete commands setup. So far the 688 works quite well 
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