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Post by billmac on Mar 15, 2010 12:54:21 GMT -5
Hi I just tried this too and it will not play 5.1 uncompressed. I double checked the settings in panny bd60 bluray. I tried bitstream and PCM same thing only 2 channels from UMC-1. I am running HDMI too. Movie Underworld Evolution. I have also tried with PS3 and same result. Thanks Thanks for posting as it is good that other UMC-1 owners post whether they are having the same issue. Then Emotiva can look into this to see if it is a FW correctable issue. The strange thing is I get MCH PCM with DD+ tracks off of HD/DVD with my Toshiba A2. So the UMC-1 has the capability to encode MCH PCM but maybe not with Uncompressed PCM tracks off of Bluray discs. Bill |
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Post by testerdennis on Mar 15, 2010 17:54:00 GMT -5
I talked to Vince at Emotiva we went through everything,turned out to be the Panny BD60 bluray player. Even after I installed the new firmware it still did not work. I also have another Sony bluray swapped that and all is good. Who wouldve thought the third one would work...
Thanks to Emotiva for their great customer service..
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Post by moe on Mar 15, 2010 18:04:43 GMT -5
I may misunderstand the issue.My bd60 plays dts master,as shown on the umc info screen.
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Post by billmac on Mar 15, 2010 18:08:36 GMT -5
I talked to Vince at Emotiva we went through everything,turned out to be the Panny BD60 bluray player. Even after I installed the new firmware it still did not work. I also have another Sony bluray swapped that and all is good. Who wouldve thought the third one would work... Thanks to Emotiva for their great customer service.. So not matter what settings you tried with the BD60 you could not get MCH PCM but it works with the Sony? I still believe it is an issue with the UMC-1 in some way as I get MCH PCM with my 886 without changing any settings on the BD30. Bill |
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Post by billmac on Mar 15, 2010 18:13:06 GMT -5
I may misunderstand the issue.My bd60 plays dts master,as shown on the umc info screen. I get DTS-MA and TrueHD as well that is not an issue. The issue is with Uncompressed PCM 5.1 tracks that were on earlier Blurays. Casino Royale and The Presitige are two Blurays I have with this audio option. Both discs would not play MCH PCM (2.0 PCM only) with my UMC-1 but will with my 886. Bill |
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Post by moe on Mar 15, 2010 18:20:40 GMT -5
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Post by testerdennis on Mar 15, 2010 19:11:44 GMT -5
I talked to Vince at Emotiva we went through everything,turned out to be the Panny BD60 bluray player. Even after I installed the new firmware it still did not work. I also have another Sony bluray swapped that and all is good. Who wouldve thought the third one would work... Thanks to Emotiva for their great customer service.. So not matter what settings you tried with the BD60 you could not get MCH PCM but it works with the Sony? I still believe it is an issue with the UMC-1 in some way as I get MCH PCM with my 886 without changing any settings on the BD30. Bill Bill yes it works on my Sony Bluray but not on the Panny BD60. I took back the Panny about an hour ago and purchased another Sony and this one works as well. I think maybe you should try another player. I thought the same thing as you after my PS3 and Panny did not work. Dennis |
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Post by billmac on Mar 15, 2010 19:20:27 GMT -5
Bill yes it works on my Sony Bluray but not on the Panny BD60. I took back the Panny about an hour ago and purchased another Sony and this one works as well. I think maybe you should try another player. I thought the same thing as you after my PS3 and Panny did not work. Dennis Dennis, Thanks again for the information. I do not have the option to return my BD30 as it is about 2 years old. If it does not work with Panasonic BR players or the PS3 Emotiva should look at what the issue is. It is not an issue with my BD30 as it worked fine with my Anthem AVM30, Onkyo 805, 885 and currently with my 886. Bill |
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Post by ackbar on Mar 15, 2010 19:24:23 GMT -5
My PS3 works fine. You just need to make sure that Multi-channel PCM is enabled in the audio configuration of the PS3. By default, it only does 2 channel and the regular DD & DTS.
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Post by alamat on Mar 15, 2010 19:56:59 GMT -5
testerdenis, may I ask what Sony model u got? I just got an S470 this afternoon and I can't seem to get the UMC-1 to output Myltichannel PCM. Tried Transformers 1 and the funny thing is, the Dreamworks intro displays Multichannel PCM but the actual feature film only outputs PCM 2 ch. I also have the PS3 but with remote issues, I've decided to get a stand alone player. BTW, the PS3 outputs MultiChPCM fine.
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Post by nickwin on Mar 16, 2010 12:17:26 GMT -5
Is there any way to use to Multi PCM over HDMI on the UMC, without bypassing eq, crossovers, LFE, ect.?
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Post by billmac on Mar 16, 2010 12:34:11 GMT -5
Is there any way to use to Multi PCM over HDMI on the UMC, without bypassing eq, crossovers, LFE, ect.? I would assume when the UMC-1 is processing MCH PCM over HDMI all EQ (if used), crossovers and LFE are available. Over the 7.1 MCH analog inputs I would think that then no processing is available and speaker settings would be made at the source. Bill |
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Post by bootman on Mar 16, 2010 14:34:47 GMT -5
bootman, My BD30 does not have the latest FW but the MCH PCM tracks play fine with my 886 so I'm sure it is a setting I'm missing. I will call Emotiva later today to see what they think. Bill Ok, just trying to cover every option.  BTW, was the UMC on pass through or auto? It shouldn't make a difference but maybe this is a new bug with HDMI1.3a players. My thinking is this: HDMI is a chain and the lowest common denominator wins. If that is your display (which should not be on the audio end with the UMC inserted, only video) then 2ch PCM would make sense since that is all your display can handle. This would be the case if you took the UMC out of the chain and tried to play multi PMC directly to your set. No matter what you try, you would only get 2ch PCM because that is all your display would handle. The bug would be if somehow the UMC is not reading properly what the 1.3a device is telling it with regards to PCM audio. This may explain why a newer bluray player would play properly. I tend to agree that its a bug on the UMC since regardless of what the player is sending, it should treat PCM audio the same as it does bitstreamed HD audio. |
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Post by johnnyg on Mar 16, 2010 15:15:52 GMT -5
My thinking is this: HDMI is a chain and the lowest common denominator wins. If that is your display (which should not be on the audio end with the UMC inserted, only video) then 2ch PCM would make sense since that is all your display can handle. This would be the case if you took the UMC out of the chain and tried to play multi PMC directly to your set. No matter what you try, you would only get 2ch PCM because that is all your display would handle. That sounds perfectly logical. What would happen during the HDMI negotiations if the UMC-1 has the HDMI Audio Output setting turned on. Could the player be limiting its audio output formats to those acceptable by the TV since the UMC-1 is forwarding the audio? If so, maybe the player with the "problem" is the only one working right? |
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Post by billmac on Mar 16, 2010 15:40:16 GMT -5
Ok, just trying to cover every option. BTW, was the UMC on pass through or auto? It shouldn't make a difference but maybe this is a new bug with HDMI1.3a players. My thinking is this: HDMI is a chain and the lowest common denominator wins. If that is your display (which should not be on the audio end with the UMC inserted, only video) then 2ch PCM would make sense since that is all your display can handle. This would be the case if you took the UMC out of the chain and tried to play multi PMC directly to your set. No matter what you try, you would only get 2ch PCM because that is all your display would handle. The bug would be if somehow the UMC is not reading properly what the 1.3a device is telling it with regards to PCM audio. This may explain why a newer bluray player would play properly. I tend to agree that its a bug on the UMC since regardless of what the player is sending, it should treat PCM audio the same as it does bitstreamed HD audio. bootman, Good questions . I do not have the UMC-1 in my system right now but I believe the setting was to auto not pass through. Not sure how the resolution setting would be part of the issue but you never know  . I had HDMI Audio Output set to Off so thats not an issue. If it was set to Auto I could see that it could be forcing everything to 2 CH PCM. As I mentioned earlier my UMC-1 would play Dolby Digital + tracks from my Toshiba A2 as MCH PCM. So with that I can see that the UMC-1 has the capability to play MCH PCM. I guess it just has issues with certain BR players, Panasonic being one of them. Bill |
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Post by ICBM99 on Mar 16, 2010 16:05:59 GMT -5
If I have time tonight, I could dig out my BD30 and hook it up. I'll try CR with my LG BD player first and see if I have the same issue. I have a few lossless PCM Blu Rays, so I'll try a few movies with 5.1 PCM tracks.
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Post by testerdennis on Mar 16, 2010 16:19:43 GMT -5
testerdenis, may I ask what Sony model u got? I just got an S470 this afternoon and I can't seem to get the UMC-1 to output Myltichannel PCM. Tried Transformers 1 and the funny thing is, the Dreamworks intro displays Multichannel PCM but the actual feature film only outputs PCM 2 ch. I also have the PS3 but with remote issues, I've decided to get a stand alone player. BTW, the PS3 outputs MultiChPCM fine. I picked up the S350 I believe it's one of the entry level players. |
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Post by ICBM99 on Mar 16, 2010 19:37:54 GMT -5
I just tried CR in the LG BD player and I get the Multi CH PCM over HDMI through the UMC.
I did select the uncompressed audio from the disk menu. My UMC is set to pass through, but I just tried auto, and still get the Multi CH PCM 3/2+LFE.
I'll have to dig my BD 30 out of storage, to see if its a player issue.
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Post by alamat on Mar 16, 2010 20:41:08 GMT -5
Update: I guess I was just getting frustrated and had to vent. Anyway, I had time to research more and it seems that the Sony player menu had a "Downmix" menu option. Setting it to "OFF" with Audio output to "AUTO" did the trick. Now I can get lossless sound aka DD TrueHD or DTS MA though it is still 5.1 and not 7.1.
Guess I'll hang on and wait for the update.
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Post by bootman on Mar 17, 2010 10:37:58 GMT -5
Update: I guess I was just getting frustrated and had to vent. Anyway, I had time to research more and it seems that the Sony player menu had a "Downmix" menu option. Setting it to "OFF" with Audio output to "AUTO" did the trick. Now I can get lossless sound aka DD TrueHD or DTS MA though it is still 5.1 and not 7.1. Guess I'll hang on and wait for the update. Just to be on the safe side, these are all legit 7.1 bluray disks correct? There are very few of them. |
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. I had HDMI Audio Output set to Off so thats not an issue. If it was set to Auto I could see that it could be forcing everything to 2 CH PCM. 
