I had a WONDERFUL dream last night!!

[jimsfield]

Some of you should be careful what you wish for. OPPO, while very responsive to emails and phone calls, have given no public information about when FW updates will be available and have provided little information about what new features will be available. Their only public announcements were about the two rounds of pre-release and if I recall none of those announcements were made on forums, only on their website. They don't even have their own forum.

I'm not an OPPO basher. I'm a very satisfied owner of a BDP-83.

[monkumonku]

Mar 11, 2010 19:21:10 GMT -5 @rlw said:

Your OPTIVA dream is just that - a fantasy. To think that an essentially single-product company could suddenly take over and manage multiple product lines well beyond their competence range (amps, processors and speakers are not playback devices) is at best a reach.

Amps and speakers are a doddle, Oppo has more than enough brain power on-staff to produce those devices. Pre-pros are, admittedly, more difficult to design and produce. But the stunning success of the BDP-83 proves that Oppo has the smarts to tackle such a project. And I would be willing to bet that their pre-processor would hit the market with far fewer problems than Emo's did. Remember, the UMC-1's release was delayed and delayed and delayed because they didn't want to release a bug-ridden product. We ALL know how well that worked...

Then, Hemster the Hell's Angel pontificated:
>> So should Harley Davidson buy Segway?... both have excellent products that work very well. <<

Hemster, do you know *anything* about motorcycles? If you think that Harley produces an excellent motorcycle, well, never mind - it's pretty obvious that you have already guzzled more than your share of H-D Kool-Aid.

Then Moe, the talking chimp, chimed in with :
>> Maybe OP should go to Oppos forum and ask them to make a prepro. I presume it would start out cheap,then be midpriced,then high dollar,but still look cheap.I also presume it would work pretty well and cost the same as many other good prepros,a few $k. <<

Gee, Moe, your statement would have just a wee bit more cedibility if you could show me a single universal disc player that performs as well as the OPPO BDP-83 for anywhere near its price. Feel free to take your time in researching this, I'm fairly certain that you will fail.

Secondly, Moe, I'll write this VERY slowly so you can more easily understand it - when you buy a company, the products that the company makes usually convey with the purchase of said company. So, if Oppo bought Emotiva, they would end up with ALL of Emo's current product line.

They could then take each product line (speakers, preamps, amplifiers, etc.) and begin the process of "Oppo-izing" them, one by one. This would probably result in an increase in quality, and maybe even a lowering of prices. It would also probably result in a vast improvement in the forecasting of realistic delivery times.

emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=announcements&thread=10157&page=1

[LCSeminole]

Mar 11, 2010 19:29:43 GMT -5 @rlw said:

Monkumonku posted a link that had the following text in bold so as to draw attention to it:

"3. Be nice to each other and respect the moderators. Profanity, insults, knocking other brands, and generally rude behavior will not be tolerated. Period. Opinions are welcome, not bad behavior."

Okay, MM, please show me where my original post violated this edict.

1) My post contained no profanity.
2) It did not insult anyone.
3) It most certainly did not knock any other brands.
4) And it definitely could not be termed "rude behavior".
5) However, It DID mainly contain opinions, which are expressly allowed.

So, why on Earth did you bother to re-post my entire original message just so you could add your non-relevant link?

-RW-

RLW,

Monkumonku was just pointing out a posting by Dan Laufman that outlines the Forum's Etiquette guidelines. As Dan pointed out in the guidelines, "General Rude Behavior Will Not Be Tolerated". Your remarks could easily be interpreted as condescending. Please refer to #10 & #11 of the guidelines. If you have questions please PM me personally or any of the other Moderators, we are here to help.

[hemster]

rlw, I have seen better reasoning and logic from a school kid. I suggest you wait for Oppo to release an amp or a processor. Maybe even ask them for a realistic delivery schedule? Until then, happy dreams! And enjoy your Emotiva products... wait.. you must be on the pre-order list!

BTW, I don't know much about motorcycles except I have owned Triumph, BMW, Honda and HD over the years. So if that's drinking kool-aid, you need to look up some definitions.

Of course as you would say...these are my opinions!

[moe]

rlw..really,really,please get some help.Your hostility is obviously beyond your control.

[Casey Leedom]

Errrmmm, back on the original poster's topic ... I'm pretty sure that s/he wasn't really wishing for Oppo (or anyone else) to buy Emotiva or take it over in any way. My guess is that this "dream" was just an implied comparison of how two different products rolled out: the Oppo BDP-83 versus the Emotiva UMC-1.

And as for Oppo not informing anyone about their firmware update schedule or what features will be included, that just makes things easier for them. As long as the firmware (and resulting product) is stable there's no great demand for new firmware. Oppo can work on it without the pressure to get something out soon with the inevitable sets of follow-on mistakes such a rushed effort always engenders. When features are ready they can be incorporated into the firmware and the firmware can be released on a reasonable schedule which allows for QA — both internal and by some of those same external BETA testers we've been talking about.

Really, this isn't rocket science, brain surgery or whatever aphorism you want to use for "complicated stuff." Doing reliable, high-quality product releases is a lot more about discipline than it is about being smart. You architect development and release processes in the same way that you would design a product. And you constantly refine those processes as you discover holes.

Normally your biggest problems are A. convincing the hot-shot, shoot-from-the-hip in-house engineers that they can still do "fun work" within the context of these processes and B. convincing your customers that you've solved your product deliver issues and they should give you a chance to prove that. I was part of a team that did this at a major computer systems company. It took about a year and a half to accomplish both A and B above. And we were lucky to have most of the unrestrained coyboys move to another company. They were good engineers and I was sorry to see them go because of their tallent and the friendships I had with them. But the processes we set in place were incompatible with the way they were willing to work. So it was better that they left.

Casey

[tangible]

My apologies to all for my rather stern contribution to this thread yesterday.
It was definitely encouragement for others to pile on.

I should have read it twice and counted to ten before pressing 'enter'.
I will in the future.