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Post by turbo on Mar 22, 2010 22:52:26 GMT -5
I recently helped my dad set up his umc1 but I haven't been able to give it much time to get accustomed to. I set it up to watch cable without using the amp or speakers. however when the umc1 turns on it does trigger the amp long enough for it to turn on 3 channels before shutting back down. Is this normal? seems like a bad design. like i said i have not spent much time on this. I was just wondering if there was a delay on the triggers that can be adjusted to wait until the umc1 is booted up before it sends out the wrong trigger info to the amp. Also it would be nice if the umc1 had hdmi pass though even when it as in standby... maybe on the xmc1?  |
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Post by hemster on Mar 22, 2010 23:04:35 GMT -5
Trigger out from the UMC-1 is working fine for me. I have it trigger my XPA-5 for all sources (i.e.music and movie) and in addition trigger my UPA-2 for movies (for the additional rear channel speakers). Once a trigger is triggered(!) there is a constant 12V output on that line until the UMC1 is shut down or a source is changed to one that doesn't require that trigger. Of course, if the source is changed quickly from one that requires the trigger to one that doesn't, then it could manifest as you're observing - i.e the amp is not yet fully up but the source then sends a trigger off (because the source is not configured to require that trigger).
What happens with the amp without using the trigger? Does it shut down after 3 channels are turned on? Also, when you say it "shuts down" do you mean that the LEDs on the amp go red or that it actually powers off?
I agree on having the UMC-1 pass-through HDMI signals even when the unit is switched off. That would be great!
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Post by turbo on Mar 22, 2010 23:14:43 GMT -5
Trigger out from the UMC-1 is working fine for me. I have it trigger my XPA-5 for all sources (i.e.music and movie) and in addition trigger my UPA-2 for movies (for the additional rear channel speakers). Once a trigger is triggered(!) there is a constant 12V output on that line until the UMC1 is shut down or a source is changed to one that doesn't require that trigger. Of course, if the source is changed quickly from one that requires the trigger to one that doesn't, then it could manifest as you're observing - i.e the amp is not yet fully up but the source then sends a trigger off (because the source is not configured to require that trigger). What happens with the amp without using the trigger? Does it shut down after 3 channels are turned on? Also, when you say it "shuts down" do you mean that the LEDs on the amp go red or that it actually powers off? I agree on having the UMC-1 pass-through HDMI signals even when the unit is switched off. That would be great! When the umc1 powers on with the input mode that has the xpa5 set not to turn on... it still turns on and 1-2-3 red led channel indicators light up then it turns off. No red led's errors just start up mode . It just seems like the xpa5 is turning on at the same time as the umc1 until the umc1 realizes that it is not suppose to. |
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Post by hemster on Mar 23, 2010 5:11:27 GMT -5
Hmm, that's strange. all I can suggest is that you confirm this by switching the triggers off on all other inputs (just in case) and if the problem persists, call Emotiva.
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Post by moe on Mar 23, 2010 6:53:03 GMT -5
Why not run hdmi to the tv and digital to umc?Then turn on the umc when you want to?Works grea for me.
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Post by henning on Mar 23, 2010 7:08:19 GMT -5
Why not run hdmi to the tv and digital to umc?Then turn on the umc when you want to?Works grea for me. He wouldn't need workaround if the UMC worked properly in the first place. Even then, how would your suggestion fix things? The UMC would still turn on, and the trigger signal would still be sent to the amp erroneously. |
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Post by darien87 on Mar 23, 2010 13:58:29 GMT -5
I recently helped my dad set up his umc1 but I haven't been able to give it much time to get accustomed to. I set it up to watch cable without using the amp or speakers. however when the umc1 turns on it does trigger the amp long enough for it to turn on 3 channels before shutting back down. Is this normal? seems like a bad design. like i said i have not spent much time on this. I was just wondering if there was a delay on the triggers that can be adjusted to wait until the umc1 is booted up before it sends out the wrong trigger info to the amp. Also it would be nice if the umc1 had hdmi pass though even when it as in standby... maybe on the xmc1? Are you using a universal remote that will allow you to directly select your inputs instead of scrolling through them? It sounds like you aren't. It sounds like you have the cable TV set up directly after one that does indeed use your amp. So as the UMC scrolls through inputs, it sees one that uses the amp, immediately turns it on, then turns it back off when it switches to your cable input. But because it takes the UMC-1 about a second to switch inputs, this is allowing your amp to activate 3 channels before shutting down. So I would suggest you either get a universal remote that you can get Emotiva's hex codes programmed into, or move your cable input so that it isn't next to one that is using your amp. |
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Post by hemster on Mar 23, 2010 14:11:32 GMT -5
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Post by turbo on Mar 23, 2010 15:34:37 GMT -5
Thanks guys  I will try that the next time I am over there.. |
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Post by threxx on Mar 23, 2010 22:41:45 GMT -5
I setup my UMC-1's trigger output for the first time tonight and confirm this weird behavior happens on mine too and I'm not using any remote other than the factory UMC-1 remote.
I'll give an example.
I set HDMI1 to turn on my XPA-5 via trigger.
I set HDMI2 to not turn on my XPA-5.
If I turn the UMC-1 on and HDMI1 is the last input selected, it turns my XPA-5 on as it should. If I turn my UMC-1 to HDMI2, it turns my XPA-5 off as it should.
The abnormal part is if I leave my UMC-1 set to HDMI2, turn it off, and then turn it back on. My XPA-5 should remain off, but instead it turns on for just long enough to get partially through its 'boot up'. As the OP described, long enough for 3 of the 5 LEDs light up. And then it shuts back off.
The trigger is briefly triggering equipment that it's not supposed to be triggering, and then turning them back off.
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Post by jimsfield on Mar 24, 2010 7:20:54 GMT -5
Is it possible the UMC is first going to HDMI1 on startup and then moving to HDMI2 after a very brief period of time?
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Post by threxx on Mar 24, 2010 7:52:47 GMT -5
Is it possible the UMC is first going to HDMI1 on startup and then moving to HDMI2 after a very brief period of time? Yes I thought about that possibility as I was submitting my bug report. I could test by setting HDMI1 to not trigger and HDMI2 to trigger and then boot up on HDMI1. I'll try that if I get some time. |
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Post by wizardofoz on Mar 24, 2010 8:10:23 GMT -5
seem to recall some time back there was also some trigger issues if you had hidden inputs.
You haven't indicated which version of the FW your unit has either, or when you received it
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Post by threxx on Mar 24, 2010 10:49:38 GMT -5
seem to recall some time back there was also some trigger issues if you had hidden inputs. You haven't indicated which version of the FW your unit has either, or when you received it I'm on the current firmware. I got my UMC-1 about a month ago. I haven't changed any of the default settings as far as hidden inputs go. |
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Post by hemster on Mar 24, 2010 13:21:16 GMT -5
Please make sure that for all triggers, the settings for all hidden inputs are set to OFF. Then retest and update status in this thread. I do not have these issues but I am also using a universal remote with discrete codes programmed to jump directly to the required input.
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Post by drno on Mar 24, 2010 13:33:28 GMT -5
I can confirm my units works this way as well. Although it will sometimes do it to an input that is assigned to that amp. For example if HDMI1 has trigger 1 and 2 both set to on , sometimes when i turn the UMC-1 on it turns trigger 1 on for a couple seconds (while the loading screen is present) and then turns it off. Then is turns both trigger 1 and 2 on as you expect it to for that input.
I just assumed it had something to do with the bootup sequence and doesnt really bother me as the amp on trigger 1 doesnt ever actually get through its startup checks anyway during this short mistriggering.
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Post by threxx on Mar 24, 2010 20:42:54 GMT -5
Please make sure that for all triggers, the settings for all hidden inputs are set to OFF. Then retest and update status in this thread. I do not have these issues but I am also using a universal remote with discrete codes programmed to jump directly to the required input. Well I mentioned earlier that I hadn't changed any of my input 'hidden' settings from the way they came from the factory. I double checked and none of them are set to hide. |
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Post by threxx on Mar 24, 2010 20:45:42 GMT -5
Is it possible the UMC is first going to HDMI1 on startup and then moving to HDMI2 after a very brief period of time? OK I just tried setting HDMI1 to 'off' on the trigger and for good measure (since it comes first in the input list) I turned the tuner's trigger to off as well. Turned the UMC-1 to HDMI1, amp triggered off like it was supposed to, turned the UMC-1 back on and the amp turned on for a few seconds like it shouldn't be doing, then turned back off. So basically it behaves the same way. |
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Post by darklight0tr on Mar 30, 2010 14:46:26 GMT -5
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I will try that the next time I am over there.. 
