Marantz sr5003 vs onkyo 705 +/- LPA-1

[placebo473]

Apr 8, 2010 22:49:56 GMT -5 mlkmgr said:

i appreciate those who have responded.

i am going against the norm with this one and i have chosen the onkyo over the marantz. i think my ears grew accustomed to the sound dating back to my original 605. i just threw the marantz up in the emporium. i had considered keeping it for the living room, but my old pioneer 810 is working perfectly and i know someone out there will appreciate the marantz more than i. besides, it is always a little cold in the basement so i think the onkyo will help with the room temp ...

You'll be back (wanting the Marantz).

[NorthStar]

^ And how would you know that? ;D

[radridd]

Apr 9, 2010 13:43:37 GMT -5 placebo473 said:

Apr 8, 2010 22:49:56 GMT -5 mlkmgr said:

i appreciate those who have responded.

i am going against the norm with this one and i have chosen the onkyo over the marantz. i think my ears grew accustomed to the sound dating back to my original 605. i just threw the marantz up in the emporium. i had considered keeping it for the living room, but my old pioneer 810 is working perfectly and i know someone out there will appreciate the marantz more than i. besides, it is always a little cold in the basement so i think the onkyo will help with the room temp ...

You'll be back (wanting the Marantz).

Once he hooks up the 876 he for sure will not want to return to the sr5003.

[mlkmgr]

definitely looking forward to the 876! does anyone believe/think i will still need the lpa-1? not sure what actual wattage is with all 7 channels driven, but thought i would ask. would help off-set the cost of the 876 but can keep the lpa-1 nonetheless if it will be beneficial.

[NorthStar]

Apr 10, 2010 14:42:51 GMT -5 mlkmgr said:

definitely looking forward to the 876! does anyone believe/think i will still need the lpa-1? not sure what actual wattage is with all 7 channels driven, but thought i would ask. would help off-set the cost of the 876 but can keep the lpa-1 nonetheless if it will be beneficial.

So now it's the 876 I guess.

I owned that one in one of my systems before (now replaced by the 886 pre/pro), and that particular room is 16 feet by 13 by 8. Did not need additional amplification at all (even if that room would be few feet larger). Besides with a sub or two...

How big is your room again? How many sub(s)? Any open adjacent area(s)?
* And do you realise that the 876 is even better than the 705?
Do you need an excellent video processor? Do you need 53 pounds of true muscular force? And I mean that in a true RMS way with all veins of the body pumping blood efficiently to your heart.

Did that answer your question?

[RadTech]

You are probably OK without the LPA 1.

[mlkmgr]

my room is 19x11x9, former bedroom converted to dedicated room. i have been considering getting rid of my old hd-dvd player. it is a toshiba hd-xa2. i was using this for video upscaling (reaon hqv) on std dvds but believe i can now eliminate this from the system and use the 876 as the video processor for std dvds. i believe i will elminate the lpa-1 now also and use the 876 alone.

[SDMonkey]

Question: Why would you want to get rid of your LPA-1?

Why wouldn't you continue to use it with the Onkyo. It only makes sense, well unless your down sizing your gear all together. It seems more like a step backwards than forward since you will have a power source with better AQ overall than what you can get with an AVR. It's your system and all but what makes you think the Onkyo will be better on it's own VS using it along with the LPA-1?

Personally I would have opted for the Marantz since AQ s more important to me than how many buttons an Onkyo can fit on it's front panel. I moved out my old Yamaha for a Marantz SR6300 after hearing my brothers Marantz SR5400 that replaced his Onkyo.

[NorthStar]

Mlkmgr, you do have already the LPA-1?!! ...Keep it then, and forever, NEVER get rid of it!

* And from what I recently learned, you only paid $600 for the Onkyo TX-SR876! Wow! You are indeed very lucky!

You're right, with the 876 HQV Reon video processor (well implemented by the way) you can adjust numerous video parameters per separate inputs (sources), which is the only and true way to go.
And because you have already the Emotiva LPA-1, use it as it is an excellent multichannel power amplifier.
Heck you got one of the best combo for your dedicated room and for only what, $1099! WoW! This is an actual comparable $5,000 value!

Everything should be very smooth sailing now for you amigo. Always keep your Emo amp, in the future you might want to try a separate pre/pro.

Cheers,
Bob

[NorthStar]

Apr 12, 2010 0:28:32 GMT -5 SDMonkey said:

Question: Why would you want to get rid of your LPA-1?

Why wouldn't you continue to use it with the Onkyo. It only makes sense, well unless your down sizing your gear all together. It seems more like a step backwards than forward since you will have a power source with better AQ overall than what you can get with an AVR. It's your system and all but what makes you think the Onkyo will be better on it's own VS using it along with the LPA-1?

Personally I would have opted for the Marantz since AQ s more important to me than how many buttons an Onkyo can fit on it's front panel. I moved out my old Yamaha for a Marantz SR6300 after hearing my brothers Marantz SR5400 that replaced his Onkyo.

I agree 100% with you about keeping and using his LPA-1 with his new receiver, even if the 876's power amp section is not too shabby at all.

As for the Marantz SR6003 compared with the Onkyo 876, well it's your opinion, but certainly not mine.
The 876 has Audyssey MultEQ XT, which is much better than the only Audyssey MultEQ of the Marantz.
Plus the one in the Marantz is badly implemented, as you cannot use Audyssey directly with Dolby TrueHD & DTS-HD MA audio codecs, but only from Linear PCM.
The SR6003 simply does not have enough processing power, and the Dacs are not the five Stereo TI Burr-Brown PCM-1796A Dacs of the Onkyo 876, but it's the Cirrus Logic Crystal 8-channel chip Dac, the CS4382A Dac.
Digitally, the 876 is technologically superior.
Analog wise, it's a tough call, and a personal preference.

Anyway, I'll take the 876 over the 6003 any day of the week, anf for only $600, it's a no-brainer. And the 6003's video processor is admittedly inferior to the much superior HQV Reon VP from the 876.
EVERYTHING in the 876 is SCREEMING MUCHO MAS BELLISIMO!
Do you really want me to??? ...ISF Certification, THX Ultra2 Plus Certification, ................ it goes for miles on hand.

And this is not only my own opinion, but also the one from many people with any sense of reality at all, and with an obvious touch with the Audio Truth.

Cheers,
Bob

[mlkmgr]

Thanks for the replies. After some searching on AVS I found some review that stated the 876 pumps out around 108watts per channel with all 7 channels driven. Given that the LPA-1 has 125watts per channel for 5 and 55 per channel for the remaining two, I had to question if I was gaining anything by utilizing the external amp.

As for the Marantz sr-5003, it was a great avr but the limitation of not being able to use Audyssey while decoding the hi-rez audio formats was a downer. I don't do any 2-channel listening so the AQ aspect, at least in my book, was mute. I also believe I grew accustomed to the onkyo sound as an onkyo 605 was the first avr used in our room. The Marantz performed flawlessly and did sound great but I am definitely anticipating the arrival of the 876 on wed.

Oh, and did I mention the 876 has 1.2 years left under warranty and the LPA-1 was picked up pretty cheap? My wife doesn't quite understand why I obsess with a-gon n the emo boards but once I get the equipment up n running, I think she will appreciate why. I am hoping my endless quest for "the right" equipment has come to a closure...at least for this year! Now to find a blu-ray player for the bedroom........AHHHH it never ends.

I will post back once I get evrything up n running.

[SDMonkey]

Apr 12, 2010 5:45:05 GMT -5 NorthStar said:

Apr 12, 2010 0:28:32 GMT -5 SDMonkey said:

Question: Why would you want to get rid of your LPA-1?

Why wouldn't you continue to use it with the Onkyo. It only makes sense, well unless your down sizing your gear all together. It seems more like a step backwards than forward since you will have a power source with better AQ overall than what you can get with an AVR. It's your system and all but what makes you think the Onkyo will be better on it's own VS using it along with the LPA-1?

Personally I would have opted for the Marantz since AQ s more important to me than how many buttons an Onkyo can fit on it's front panel. I moved out my old Yamaha for a Marantz SR6300 after hearing my brothers Marantz SR5400 that replaced his Onkyo.

I agree 100% with you about keeping and using his LPA-1 with his new receiver, even if the 876's power amp section is not too shabby at all.

As for the Marantz SR6003 compared with the Onkyo 876, well it's your opinion, but certainly not mine.
The 876 has Audyssey MultEQ XT, which is much better than the only Audyssey MultEQ of the Marantz.
Plus the one in the Marantz is badly implemented, as you cannot use Audyssey directly with Dolby TrueHD & DTS-HD MA audio codecs, but only from Linear PCM.
The SR6003 simply does not have enough processing power, and the Dacs are not the five Stereo TI Burr-Brown PCM-1796A Dacs of the Onkyo 876, but it's the Cirrus Logic Crystal 8-channel chip Dac, the CS4382A Dac.
Digitally, the 876 is technologically superior.
Analog wise, it's a tough call, and a personal preference.

Anyway, I'll take the 876 over the 6003 any day of the week, anf for only $600, it's a no-brainer. And the 6003's video processor is admittedly inferior to the much superior HQV Reon VP from the 876.
EVERYTHING in the 876 is SCREEMING MUCHO MAS BELLISIMO!
Do you really want me to??? ...ISF Certification, THX Ultra2 Plus Certification, ................ it goes for miles on hand.

And this is not only my own opinion, but also the one from many people with any sense of reality at all, and with an obvious touch with the Audio Truth.

Cheers,
Bob

Hey Bob,

I never said the Marantz was state of art but it seems as if ONKYO sells more for the list of features than having any kind of reputation for AQ. It's all about the AQ for me as stated earlier by me. If having a list of BAGES OF HONNOR and a multitude of buttons is your thing, then it's your thing. I personally don't need all the hype and features that mean nothing in the end.

You can create a list of features all day, but how is it all put together? How are the audio and video boards implemented? What kind of shielding is used between internal components? Lets not forget what an ONKYO is really known for; HEAT, lots and lots of heat.

If I want to use Audessy, I guess I'll have to use the decoder in my BD player but why bother when I have an SPL meter and measuring tape.

And this is not only my own opinion, but also the one from many people with any sense of reality at all, and with an obvious touch with the Audio Truth.

[orangeLollies]

Apr 12, 2010 13:44:15 GMT -5 SDMonkey said:

Hey Bob,

I never said the Marantz was state of art but it seems as if ONKYO sells more for the list of features than having any kind of reputation for AQ. It's all about the AQ for me as stated earlier by me. If having a list of BAGES OF HONNOR and a multitude of buttons is your thing, then it's your thing. I personally don't need all the hype and features that mean nothing in the end.

You can create a list of features all day, but how is it all put together? How are the audio and video boards implemented? What kind of shielding is used between internal components?

^ Gotta say I agree with the Marantz SQ vs bells'n'whistles

[NorthStar]

Apr 12, 2010 9:02:14 GMT -5 mlkmgr said:

Thanks for the replies. After some searching on AVS I found some review that stated the 876 pumps out around 108watts per channel with all 7 channels driven. Given that the LPA-1 has 125watts per channel for 5 and 55 per channel for the remaining two, I had to question if I was gaining anything by utilizing the external amp.

As for the Marantz sr-5003, it was a great avr but the limitation of not being able to use Audyssey while decoding the hi-rez audio formats was a downer. I don't do any 2-channel listening so the AQ aspect, at least in my book, was mute. I also believe I grew accustomed to the onkyo sound as an onkyo 605 was the first avr used in our room. The Marantz performed flawlessly and did sound great but I am definitely anticipating the arrival of the 876 on wed.

Oh, and did I mention the 876 has 1.2 years left under warranty and the LPA-1 was picked up pretty cheap? My wife doesn't quite understand why I obsess with a-gon n the emo boards but once I get the equipment up n running, I think she will appreciate why. I am hoping my endless quest for "the right" equipment has come to a closure...at least for this year! Now to find a blu-ray player for the bedroom........AHHHH it never ends.

I will post back once I get evrything up n running.

Actually the 875 is pumping 128 watts into 7 channels driven with 0.3% THD. So the 876 should do the same. ...It seems you just put a zero instead of a two.
* 875 with full Lab Results -> @ www.soundandvisionmag.com/content/onkyo-tx-sr875-av-receiver

* 876 review -> @ www.avguide.com/review/tested-onkyo-tx-sr876-thx-ultra2-plus-certified-71-channel-av-receiver

You're doing even better that I first tought, I'm sure your wife will appreciate too.

[mlkmgr]

if i am getting "more powa" with the onkyo, why would i factor in the lpa-1 into this equation?

i mean, i will keep it if it will be beneficial to this set-up, but do i really need it?

[bigred7078]

Mar 31, 2010 16:57:24 GMT -5 NorthStar said:

The Marantz SR5003 is simply missing too many features, ant it's Audyssey implementation is kind of flawed (cannot use Audyssey with the new high res audio codecs through the HDMI connection, which sucks big time, because of not enough processing power), and not enough resolution in the bass department.

Actually Bob, you are not quite correct. The 5003 CAN apply Audyssey processing over HDMI with the new codecs as long as the signal is sent via PCM and not bitstreamed.

[Pauly]

Apr 13, 2010 7:49:22 GMT -5 mlkmgr said:

if i am getting "more powa" with the onkyo, why would i factor in the lpa-1 into this equation?

i mean, i will keep it if it will be beneficial to this set-up, but do i really need it?

I think just about everybody on this forum will tell you that the LPA will sound better than the internal amps of the Onkyo. I can't describe the science behind it, but I do know from experience that any quality amp with decent power will sound better than a receiver. That's their job. Even some "high end" receivers can benefit from an amp like the LPA.

[mlkmgr]

i will run it through with the lpa factored in and out of the equation hopefully this weekend. if i cannot tell an audible difference, the lpa will simply go and i will not look back. however, it would be nice to not have to purchase an additional amp down the road if get a dedicated pre/pro. will have to wait and see...

[bigred7078]

Apr 13, 2010 20:31:59 GMT -5 Pauly said:

Apr 13, 2010 7:49:22 GMT -5 mlkmgr said:

if i am getting "more powa" with the onkyo, why would i factor in the lpa-1 into this equation?

i mean, i will keep it if it will be beneficial to this set-up, but do i really need it?

I think just about everybody on this forum will tell you that the LPA will sound better than the internal amps of the Onkyo. I can't describe the science behind it, but I do know from experience that any quality amp with decent power will sound better than a receiver. That's their job. Even some "high end" receivers can benefit from an amp like the LPA.

well i'd say that depends on the load of the speakers that the amp sees. Perhaps if the speakers take a few low impedence dips then it would be better, but otherwise it might be hard to tell a difference if there is one at all. Not every speaker in every room will benefit.

[NorthStar]

Apr 13, 2010 15:00:05 GMT -5 bigred7078 said:

Mar 31, 2010 16:57:24 GMT -5 NorthStar said:

The Marantz SR5003 is simply missing too many features, ant it's Audyssey implementation is kind of flawed (cannot use Audyssey with the new high res audio codecs through the HDMI connection, which sucks big time, because of not enough processing power), and not enough resolution in the bass department.

Actually Bob, you are not quite correct. The 5003 CAN apply Audyssey processing over HDMI with the new codecs as long as the signal is sent via PCM and not bitstreamed.

I know, I did mentioned that before somewhere (can't keep track anymore). I should have said again; directly though the new audio codecs it cannot, but yes it can when converted to Linear PCM. Still, Marantz is missing the boat on that one.