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Post by sbavnut on Apr 14, 2010 23:42:44 GMT -5
Cirrus chip - the Cary Cinema 11a still has issues after numerous FW updates. I looked at the Harman 1600/2600/3600 thread at avsforum.com. Those models use a similar Cirrus/Torino combination. Not many complains there. Has Harman finally nailed it or do people only have "simple" setups there and/or not complain about issues?  ?? |
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Post by sbavnut on Apr 14, 2010 23:44:03 GMT -5
Changed oppo output from bitstream to lpcm seems to have corrected the dropouts for me. But you shouldn't have to. It should work fine with either streams... |
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Post by canadianbacon on Apr 15, 2010 9:57:43 GMT -5
Changed oppo output from bitstream to lpcm seems to have corrected the dropouts for me. But you shouldn't have to. It should work fine with either stream... Here here!. enough with the work arounds... they might be nice to get you moving but it ignores the intent of the design and short changes the people hoping to "Upgrade" their systems. if you are late to the party, new technology or not, you should still have to play nice with the other people (or equipment, given the analogy) in the room. |
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Post by canadianbacon on Apr 15, 2010 9:58:37 GMT -5
Cirrus chip - the Cary Cinema 11a still has issues after numerous FW updates. I looked at the Harman 1600/2600/3600 thread at avsforum.com. Those models use a similar Cirrus/Torino combination. Not many complains there. Has Harman finally nailed it or do people only have "simple" setups there and/or not complain about issues? ?? Do the above Harman systems use the "Twin Cirrus" design? I thought Cary was one of the only others out there that had it available right now. |
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Post by napabill on Apr 21, 2010 20:26:33 GMT -5
Considering the problems noted on HDMI audio dropouts, why wouldn't one use analog component video and audio? It's my understanding the "quality" is about the same. Here is a quote from Blue Jeans Cable's web site:
"While analog component video cable is, in practice, every bit as good a method of delivering video to displays as HDMI cable, the content-providing industries have strongly supported HDMI because it provides a platform for the implementation of HDCP (High Definition Content Protection) to prevent consumers from having complete access to the contents of high-definition digital recordings."
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Post by BillBauman on Apr 21, 2010 20:33:33 GMT -5
Considering the problems noted on HDMI audio dropouts, why wouldn't one use analog component video and audio? It's my understanding the "quality" is about the same. Here is a quote from Blue Jeans Cable's web site: "While analog component video cable is, in practice, every bit as good a method of delivering video to displays as HDMI cable, the content-providing industries have strongly supported HDMI because it provides a platform for the implementation of HDCP (High Definition Content Protection) to prevent consumers from having complete access to the contents of high-definition digital recordings." napabill, it sounds like you may be a bit new to this game. Essentially, the industry has limited what's legally available to be transferred over analog component. So, you can't get any 1080p Blu-ray pictures to show up, it's locked out. You MUST use HDMI, like it or not, functioning or not. The reason is because they can apply encryption to the digital signal, whereby, theoretically preventing it from being copied. It is a complete waste of time, money, effort, energy, as it hasn't prevented anything from being copied and has just created this nightmare of an HDMI headache for everyone that just wants to watch a movie. |
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Post by napabill on Apr 21, 2010 21:05:26 GMT -5
As I understand it, the UMC-1 cannot separate audio from video when HDMI cables are used. So if I want to watch a video only from my Dish receiver, and audio from a different source, I am precluded from using HDMI, correct? Or can I go HDMI from Dish to UMC-1, HDMI from a CD player, then HDMI from the UMC-1 to the monitor, audio to the power amps. Could I then select video from one source and audio from another? javascript:add(%22%20???%22)
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Post by xki on Apr 21, 2010 21:23:37 GMT -5
Essentially, the industry has limited what's legally available to be transferred over analog component. So, you can't get any 1080p Blu-ray pictures to show up, it's locked out. You MUST use HDMI, like it or not, functioning or not. The reason is because they can apply encryption to the digital signal, whereby, theoretically preventing it from being copied. It is a complete waste of time, money, effort, energy, as it hasn't prevented anything from being copied and has just created this nightmare of an HDMI headache for everyone that just wants to watch a movie. +1 Whatever "they" try, it can not ever be un-defeat-able. Every single encryption methodology ever invented can be defeated. As we say in the security field, "Nothing is 100% secure." So why try? And why mess everyone up? The answer lies in the pursuit of $$$$. I just want to be entertained. If I wanted to pirate a movie, I could do it tomorrow. So, what is the industry really accomplishing? They are making us simple folks pay for the sins of others. Man I could go on and on!  |
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 21, 2010 21:50:02 GMT -5
Considering the problems noted on HDMI audio dropouts, why wouldn't one use analog component video and audio? It's my understanding the "quality" is about the same. Here is a quote from Blue Jeans Cable's web site: "While analog component video cable is, in practice, every bit as good a method of delivering video to displays as HDMI cable, the content-providing industries have strongly supported HDMI because it provides a platform for the implementation of HDCP (High Definition Content Protection) to prevent consumers from having complete access to the contents of high-definition digital recordings." napabill, it sounds like you may be a bit new to this game. Essentially, the industry has limited what's legally available to be transferred over analog component. So, you can't get any 1080p Blu-ray pictures to show up, it's locked out. You MUST use HDMI, like it or not, functioning or not. The reason is because they can apply encryption to the digital signal, whereby, theoretically preventing it from being copied. It is a complete waste of time, money, effort, energy, as it hasn't prevented anything from being copied and has just created this nightmare of an HDMI headache for everyone that just wants to watch a movie. I haven't been following closely, but is it HDMI dropouts in the sound or dropouts of the codecs? Because you could decode it at the source, like for example if you have an Oppo, and output via its analog outputs, couldn't you? Then only the video portion would be picked up through the HDMI; the input selected from the UMC-1 would be the multichannel analog. Or are there dropouts from that source as well? |
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Post by BillBauman on Apr 21, 2010 21:53:58 GMT -5
napabill, it sounds like you may be a bit new to this game. Essentially, the industry has limited what's legally available to be transferred over analog component. So, you can't get any 1080p Blu-ray pictures to show up, it's locked out. You MUST use HDMI, like it or not, functioning or not. The reason is because they can apply encryption to the digital signal, whereby, theoretically preventing it from being copied. It is a complete waste of time, money, effort, energy, as it hasn't prevented anything from being copied and has just created this nightmare of an HDMI headache for everyone that just wants to watch a movie. I haven't been following closely, but is it HDMI dropouts in the sound or dropouts of the codecs? Because you could decode it at the source, like for example if you have an Oppo, and output via its analog outputs, couldn't you? Then only the video portion would be picked up through the HDMI; the input selected from the UMC-1 would be the multichannel analog. Or are there dropouts from that source as well? It's HDMI dropping out, not the analog inputs. So, you could certainly use that as a work-around, depending on the quality of your player. If you have a nice Oppo 83 or something like that, I think it would probably work fine. I'm not the expert on this, though, I don't even watch Blu-ray movies. I primarily use the UMC-1 as a 2-channel digital audio processor, preamp, and video switcher. |
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Post by jtmjnow on Apr 21, 2010 22:17:35 GMT -5
I and three techs at my place of work tried to put in the latest firmware and it did not help much, some things were better though. I am thinking that we may have not loaded it properly; I am having Emotiva check it out and re-enter the firmware. This way I can rest assurred that I have it done properly. If there are still problems such as audio/video dropouts, volume issues and the handshake issue with DISH I am wondering if they'll be able to come out with another firmware at a later date; I think if so I would rather keep it under the care of Emotiva until it works right. I really like Emotiva and the staff and firmly believe that they will find a way out of this where everyone is satisfied with the performance. Emotiva has always done me right and so far I have purchased two super amps and the UMC-1 from them. Their customer service is stellar.
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Post by BillBauman on Apr 21, 2010 22:25:47 GMT -5
I and three techs at my place of work tried to put in the latest firmware and it did not help much, some things were better though. I am thinking that we may have not loaded it properly; I am having Emotiva check it out and re-enter the firmware. This way I can rest assurred that I have it done properly. If there are still problems such as audio/video dropouts, volume issues and the handshake issue with DISH I am wondering if they'll be able to come out with another firmware at a later date; I think if so I would rather keep it under the care of Emotiva until it works right. I really like Emotiva and the staff and firmly believe that they will find a way out of this where everyone is satisfied with the performance. Emotiva has always done me right and so far I have purchased two super amps and the UMC-1 from them. Their customer service is stellar. jtmj Everything you've mentioned there are problems with the v6 firmware itself, not the installation of it. Emotiva has already committed to releasing an updated/fixed firmware, we just don't have a time frame on it yet. |
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Post by annjones13 on Apr 22, 2010 7:25:32 GMT -5
I have a Nad T765 that is upgradable with replacement audio & vidieo cards. I love the sound and the power is good enough.
It does have pre outs.
Before discovering the UMC-1, I was going to do the AM100 and VM200 card upgrade. The cost would have been well above the price of the UMC.
Here is a text commenting on audio drop outs with the up graded cards:
I grabbed the 765 HD the other night and have not had much success getting Component Video to work on my SA 8300 HD PVR (Optical Audio). The video signal is constantly being dropped (resulting in a black screen for several seconds) and on occassion completely lost until I cycle the AV input and then back to the PVR. I am unable to use HDMI out from the PVR as I am constantly pulling the AV stream through my Singbox Pro HD. I have tried several other devices with Component Out, does not appear to happen as frequently but some video drops.
Anyone aware of signal drops with this unit? Any quick resolution? With a unit less then 72 hours old, I dont want to have to bring it in for upgrade / repair already.
According to the receiver: System Info MCU v 1.20
The problems sound familar. Nad is having trouble getting HDMI to play nice as well. Firmware updates are supposed to be done thru the dealer....
I think Emo will be faster to find a solution
Ann
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Post by moveout on Apr 22, 2010 22:56:22 GMT -5
Here's another angle: I'm sitting here watching Glee on FOX, and the sound is cutting out. We've noticed the same thing with American Idol as well. Dialog sounds fine, but music sounds AWFUL!
Funny thing is, there's no processor between our Dish 522 PVR and the TV. (I've got my UMC but haven't set it up yet.) The sound is running through the L/R analog connectors.
Perhaps the root of the problem is the Dish signal. Or FOX. Or some shows on FOX.
Perhaps we need another poll...
-Todd
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