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Post by bborzell on Apr 27, 2010 3:28:45 GMT -5
HDMI works fine for SACD M/C. Here's the complicating factor, I never got around to hooking up the 7.1 analog cables for SACD prior to doing the update from 5 to 6 and then to the beta. Consequently, I have no idea if I had M/C analog before doing the updates.
Anyone having any M/C analog issues? I have a strong feeling that there is a flag somewhere that wants to be thrown.
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Post by ÈlTwo on Apr 27, 2010 8:07:50 GMT -5
I will be hooking up my SACD/DVD-A multichannel analog later this evening, and will let you know my results.
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Post by jvenard on Apr 27, 2010 9:48:09 GMT -5
I purchased an Oppo in order to have a SACD player as well. And yes, I had SACD over hdmi under orignal v5 and v6. I havn't loaded beta code yet.
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Post by osogovo on Apr 27, 2010 10:17:50 GMT -5
I had the same problem after installing the beta,until I found a workarond.Before the beta I could go from HDMI to 7.1EXT on the fly ,now I stop or pause whatever I play dvd ,blu ray or sacd and only then I change audio inputs.I hope that works for you too ;D
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Post by bborzell on Apr 27, 2010 10:57:03 GMT -5
Well, I called Emo tech support and was advised to change mode to "Direct" to bypass audio processing. I did that and now I have M/C analog for SACDs, but am I the only person who thinks this is a workaround?
It seems odd to have all this programability for each discrete source but still have to change modes for M/C analog for SACDs.
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Post by ÈlTwo on Apr 27, 2010 11:22:46 GMT -5
I did connect my player via the analog inputs, and mine does work, as well.
I would say that using Direct Mode is not a workaround. On my HK AVR-7200 multichannel direct analog input was limited to 6 or 8 channel direct, or 6 or 8 channel DVD-A(essentially direct with bass management).
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Post by kwadswor on Apr 27, 2010 11:33:24 GMT -5
I'd agree that it doesn't seem like a work-around. What I want the 7.2 channel inputs for is to bypass the processing in the UMC (or other AVR/pre-pro).
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Post by bborzell on Apr 27, 2010 14:08:56 GMT -5
I certainly agree that having the analog route bypass processing in the UMC-1 is a good thing. It just makes no sense to me to have to set the source to M/C analog and then to have the additional step to change the mode to "Direct".
I'm referring to the extra step that is necessary (changing to "Direct" as the workaround of a simple function (set the source to M/C analog and M/C analog comes out of the speakers) that apparently wants to see an additional step from the user.
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Post by ÈlTwo on Apr 27, 2010 23:45:30 GMT -5
I'm referring to the extra step that is necessary (changing to "Direct" as the workaround of a simple function (set the source to M/C analog and M/C analog comes out of the speakers) that apparently wants to see an additional step from the user. That I have to agree with, although I don't see it as a workaround, just an unnecessary step. |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Apr 28, 2010 9:48:23 GMT -5
I also noticed that if the DVD-A or SACD is already playing, the UMC-1 does not play the 7.1 channel input (there is a second of sound, then nothing).
In order to use the multichannel input, I have to make sure the source is not playing anything, switch to multichannel, then start the source.
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Post by bborzell on Apr 28, 2010 13:41:47 GMT -5
I spoke to Lonnie this morning on the M/C analog thing. It looks like there might be an HDMI priority thing going on as the UMC-1 relates to the OPPO. HDMI 1 in the UMC-1 is apparently a priority input with regards to sensitivity. As Lonnie explained it to me, certain sat or cable boxes place particular demands on HDMI inputs and having one optimized (my word, not Lonnie's) to address the demands of those boxes is part of the UMC-1 design.
Because I can get M/C analog to work when I turn off "HDMI Audio Out" in the OPPO, Lonnie is considering that, when the OPPO is set to "HDMI Audio ON" that the UMC-1 might be telling the OPPO to shut down M/C Analog OUT.
He's going to experiment with the OPPO BDP-83 that they have in house and then get back to me with the results tomorrow. It's nice to be able to communicate with the guy who designs these things.
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Post by ÈlTwo on Apr 28, 2010 14:23:22 GMT -5
Interesting, I might move the cable box input to HDMI 1, and the Blu-ray to HDMI 2, and see what happens with respect to other issues.
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Post by mysterymachine on Apr 29, 2010 12:44:10 GMT -5
Hmmm very interesting.
Though I thought I had the analog in from the Oppop BDP-83 working even with HDMI audio set to on. It was missing a channel so I need to troubleshoot that tonight but I thought it was working (I'm not using the beta though). That said by the time I got around to testing the 7.1 analog in it was sometime around 2am and I was not thinking so clearly anymore becuase I was so tired so I could easily be mistaken.
I tested what happens when you are listening to an SACD and turn off the projector (as I expected when the projector turns off the Oppo cuts all audio over HDMI) so I was going to set an input for the 5.1 for times when I just want music and no projector.
That cable box point is very interesting though as I could not get the DVI / HDMI out on my cable box to display anything so I am just using component. I know it tried to use it becuase when I hooked it up if I had the cable box on and switched the UMC to the HDMI that the cable box was on the cable box would briefly flash DVI on its screen but the UMC would say there was no video. I will have to try swapping the Oppo and the Motorola cable box's HDMI inputs.
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Post by powerwindow on Apr 29, 2010 14:51:53 GMT -5
I spoke to Lonnie this morning on the M/C analog thing. It looks like there might be an HDMI priority thing going on as the UMC-1 relates to the OPPO. HDMI 1 in the UMC-1 is apparently a priority input with regards to sensitivity. As Lonnie explained it to me, certain sat or cable boxes place particular demands on HDMI inputs and having one optimized (my word, not Lonnie's) to address the demands of those boxes is part of the UMC-1 design. Because I can get M/C analog to work when I turn off "HDMI Audio Out" in the OPPO, Lonnie is considering that, when the OPPO is set to "HDMI Audio ON" that the UMC-1 might be telling the OPPO to shut down M/C Analog OUT. He's going to experiment with the OPPO BDP-83 that they have in house and then get back to me with the results tomorrow. It's nice to be able to communicate with the guy who designs these things. It was my understanding that all of the Oppo's outputs are "Hot" in that they are always present at the interconnects. I sort of confirmed this in an earlier configuration I had for 2-channel playback. I have bookshelf mains that need a sub to fill in the low. I had the dedicated stereo outs of the Oppo going to my HK's 7.1 analog ins, along with the sub out of the Oppos 7.1'a going into the HK's sub in of the 7.1's. This allowed me to use the better DAC associated with the analog stereo section of the Oppo, while still getting low frequency info at the same time. I had the analog stereo selected as my output on the Oppo, but I still received sub info. I could be confusing things though and the outputs can actually be turned off via an HDMI handshake, but I question that. Don't think this helps, just some thoughts. Sips |
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Post by bborzell on Apr 29, 2010 15:50:26 GMT -5
I spoke to Lonnie this morning on the M/C analog thing. It looks like there might be an HDMI priority thing going on as the UMC-1 relates to the OPPO. HDMI 1 in the UMC-1 is apparently a priority input with regards to sensitivity. As Lonnie explained it to me, certain sat or cable boxes place particular demands on HDMI inputs and having one optimized (my word, not Lonnie's) to address the demands of those boxes is part of the UMC-1 design. Because I can get M/C analog to work when I turn off "HDMI Audio Out" in the OPPO, Lonnie is considering that, when the OPPO is set to "HDMI Audio ON" that the UMC-1 might be telling the OPPO to shut down M/C Analog OUT. He's going to experiment with the OPPO BDP-83 that they have in house and then get back to me with the results tomorrow. It's nice to be able to communicate with the guy who designs these things. It was my understanding that all of the Oppo's outputs are "Hot" in that they are always present at the interconnects. I sort of confirmed this in an earlier configuration I had for 2-channel playback. I have bookshelf mains that need a sub to fill in the low. I had the dedicated stereo outs of the Oppo going to my HK's 7.1 analog ins, along with the sub out of the Oppos 7.1'a going into the HK's sub in of the 7.1's. This allowed me to use the better DAC associated with the analog stereo section of the Oppo, while still getting low frequency info at the same time. I had the analog stereo selected as my output on the Oppo, but I still received sub info. I could be confusing things though and the outputs can actually be turned off via an HDMI handshake, but I question that. Don't think this helps, just some thoughts. Sips Your thoughts are consistent with mine regarding the audio outputs in the OPPO all being on at all times. Although, the setup screen does allow you to turn HDMI audio off. Maybe that's what got Lonnie wondering if there was a way for the UMC-1 to tell the OPPO to shut down 7.1 analog. I'll post back when I hear from Lonnie. |
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Post by powerwindow on Apr 29, 2010 16:33:48 GMT -5
It was my understanding that all of the Oppo's outputs are "Hot" in that they are always present at the interconnects. I sort of confirmed this in an earlier configuration I had for 2-channel playback. I have bookshelf mains that need a sub to fill in the low. I had the dedicated stereo outs of the Oppo going to my HK's 7.1 analog ins, along with the sub out of the Oppos 7.1'a going into the HK's sub in of the 7.1's. This allowed me to use the better DAC associated with the analog stereo section of the Oppo, while still getting low frequency info at the same time. I had the analog stereo selected as my output on the Oppo, but I still received sub info. I could be confusing things though and the outputs can actually be turned off via an HDMI handshake, but I question that. Don't think this helps, just some thoughts. Sips Your thoughts are consistent with mine regarding the audio outputs in the OPPO all being on at all times. Although, the setup screen does allow you to turn HDMI audio off. Maybe that's what got Lonnie wondering if there was a way for the UMC-1 to tell the OPPO to shut down 7.1 analog. I'll post back when I hear from Lonnie. Interesting. I would think the Oppo's analogues are always on and have no way of turning off. I wonder if it has to do with the fact that you are using two different inputs to the UMC from the same source (a situation I plan BTW) and one of those being HDMI. Maybe this HDMI priority thing of the UMC means that if the source has two inputs, one being HDMI, the UMC will default to the HDMI input by priority? When you turn off HDMI audio out on the Oppo, the UMC then has to find an audio signal and utilizes the analog inputs. This kind of defeats the idea of definable user inputs though and should be included in the UMC's manual. Have you tried switching the Oppo's HDMI to a different input on the UMC to see if you get the same results? Sorry if you already mentioned this. Sips |
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Post by mysterymachine on Apr 29, 2010 23:14:03 GMT -5
I am having all kinds of Ext 7.1 Analog input problems with my UMC and the Oppo. This is even if I use the Oppo exclusively with Component (unplug the hdmi entirely). Its very strange I keep dropping channels. For a while the FL won't work, then the LR, then only two channels will work etc. Its very bizarre. I would think it was the oppo but its worked flawlessly on 7.1 analog for a year now with my old system.
Also my UMC will not let me change the mode for the 7.1 analog (since someone said to change it to direct). When I go to mode on the 7.1 it does nothing - no secondary menu comes up like it does on any other input.
UPDATE: suddenly the 7.1 analog is working fine for me.. I have no idea what I did.
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