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Post by sharkman on Jan 25, 2011 1:29:17 GMT -5
Hey, you know what? I want to believe all amps/cd players/DACs/Receivers/pre-amps sound the same. It kind of has a logical appeal to it. But when I can plainly hear different sonic characteristics so plainly the evidence is plainly inconclusive. I have a higher end Denon AVR and an Onkyo. In apples to apples comparison they simply do not have the same sonic signature.
But at the end of the day I certainly do not want to force my results/theories on others, you are completely free to think whatever you want. Life is too short!
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Post by Vermont99 on Mar 7, 2011 9:11:34 GMT -5
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Post by flamingeye on Mar 7, 2011 14:37:08 GMT -5
I always thought my music sounded better with my eyes closed
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 14:39:48 GMT -5
I always thought my music sounded better with my eyes closed Because you get lost  |
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Post by flamingeye on Mar 9, 2011 18:42:36 GMT -5
No because the music never matches what’s on the TV :-)
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Post by hobbs on Mar 9, 2011 21:44:16 GMT -5
I don't buy that video. I can hardly tell the difference between AIFF, and AAC 256, which in turn is only marginally better than AAC 128. I tested the different encodings before I started to rip my CDs at 256. Just this morning, I was enthralled (almost in audio nirvana) by how good Robert Plant sounded on my Audioengine A5s (streamed from my computer using Airport Express and encoded using AAC 256). There was no muddiness anywhere, unlike with MP3 320 in the video. YMMV |
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Post by GMan on Mar 10, 2011 7:51:07 GMT -5
The person who created that video admitted to have downloaded the two files off Usenet which pretty much renders the comparison useless. It's possible ReplayGain was applied to one of the files which could account for the difference in sound. |
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Post by flamingeye on Mar 10, 2011 13:28:18 GMT -5
The best way to do something like that is ripe a CD/dvd and apply the different formats/encodes your self
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Post by crazyhorse on Mar 10, 2011 15:20:03 GMT -5
I would just like to ask what the hell is the point to posting this? Trying to get people on your side and make fun of others by telling them they wasted their money?
How about trying it for yourself and then come to your own conclusions. yet the whole argument no blah blah blah no one can hear a difference even though I've never tried it once for myself.
Doesn't take a lot of money to say I've done it myself because I bought cable X and it did make a difference vs cable B.
But I bought cable C and didn't hear a difference between cable B. You tried it, made your own opinion and can share that. Otherwise its all just well he said/she said it didn't so I'm just going to go with them.
Who gives a crap what so and so said, I'm glad everyone wants to just follow the leader off a bridge just because an expert said it was the right way to go.
Oh and seeing EVERYTHING must then sound the same because wire is just wire and a amp is just an amp. WHY DID YOU BUY EMO?
Go buy a pro audio amp, its all going to sound the same so you wasted your money on this crap.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 18:10:51 GMT -5
Crazyhorse - dude, I think you need to switch to de-caf, you are getting way too torqued about this stuff...
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Post by briank on Mar 10, 2011 21:35:06 GMT -5
Well said Crazyhorse. It's funny how people get upset and frustrated that some people spend extra on cables. I hear a very noticeable difference in ic's and speaker speaker cables and spent more money on cables that make me happy. My ears, my money, my perogative, so why do some have a problem with this? Just because they can't hear a difference? Maybe their ears aren't as sensitive? Maybe their gear is not as revealing? Maybe they're too close minded to give it an honest try? I dunno. I do know I'm happy with my purchase and in the end that's all that matters. :-)
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Post by RichGuy on Mar 19, 2011 9:59:07 GMT -5
I usually just knock em down and run off with their white cane and/or dog, after that it's pretty easy to tell whether or not they are really blind. ;D
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Post by flamingeye on Mar 19, 2011 10:50:41 GMT -5
I could care less if someone wants to spend $1000 on fancy copper cables , now if I owned stock in that company j/k
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Post by uofmtiger on May 1, 2011 0:33:43 GMT -5
I find this subject interesting. I was discussing my Denon 4311ci with a buddy and we started talking about people that were pairing them with Emo amps. The measurements for the Denon are pretty good..see Home Cinema Choice for more on that subject. Anyway, I told him that I believe people buy amps for many reasons...perceived possible differences in sound, peace of mind that you at least tried to get the best sound, they put RCA outs on the receiver for a reason, etc... I feel that aesthetics are also a huge reason. It is the big power supplies, the heavy build, the pretty blue lights, etc. Something that is so beautifully designed MUST sound better!! Personally, I bought a couple UPA-1 amps. . I don't want or need to blind test them to know they bring me pleasure, which is the main reason I listen to music. I will probably add an XPA-3 when they have another discount sale, too. Also, blind tests on other systems, in other environments, and other ears tell me little about how the component will work at my home. If a guy eats five big macs a day and dies of a heart attack, it wouldn't tell me much about the vitamin we were both taking. I certainly wouldn't draw the conclusion that the vitamin would kill me. Maybe it would, but his system is much different from mine, so it is hard to know how it will affect my system. I have done blind comparisons of two DACs in my main setup and I and my gf both heard differences. However, even an A/B test, with volume matching, can be difficult. I am certainly not going to that trouble every time I buy something for audio. Why not just listen, decide if it gives you pleasure and determine if the cost is worth the benefit? In short, I don't buy fancy cables, but if that is what gave me pleasure, why would anyone else care? Of course, it helps to know if a reviewer went through this pocesss and it could lend credibility to over the top statements in the article, but most people don't go through ABX tests because we know it is their opinion and ears we have to trust or be skeptical of, anyway. Blind test or not, YMMV. |
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Post by jhayman on Jan 17, 2013 16:41:59 GMT -5
Simple question to you, since you are fixated on these procedures: Do you personally see ANYTHING wrong with their method/setup? If so, what? And if not, what are they doing correctly? Another question, have you ever heard subtle differences in any of your testing, if so, what was it? I see a problem, They have a McDonalds Hamburglar Phone sitting there causing interference with it's inferior wire..lol |
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Post by thepcguy on Jan 17, 2013 18:05:08 GMT -5
I see a problem, They have a McDonalds Hamburglar Phone sitting there causing interference with it's inferior wire..lol You're right! But it's not interference, it's outright stealing the signal! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 18:54:16 GMT -5
Folks, this thread began talking about the non-differences in speaker cabling. Somehow, some folks got their panties in a bunch and started in about how there are marked differences in amps, receivers, CD players, etc.
Please keep in mind that all of those devices are MUCH more complex than a 20 ft. run of wire. And, yes, there *are* differences between these complex devices. Some amps deliver significantly more current than others despite the fact that they have the same or similar wattage ratings. And some speakers really like to see a lot of current. Some amps have significantly faster slew rates than others, and this can make an audible difference.
Similarly, there are significant differences among CD players. Some have very solid and vibration-free transports. And, certainly, there are differences between the DACs and output stages of different CD players. These kinds of things can significantly alter the sound quality.
But when you get back to the very simple device that is a wire, there are vanishingly small differences among them providing that that they are electrically correct, do a reasonable job of rejecting spurious RFI, and are of sufficient gauge for the length being used. For these reasons, I would expect that virtually no one here at the Lounge would be able to tell whether Wire A or Wire B was being used providing both wires meet the above criteria. And I mean NO ONE. I have a crisp Benjie burning a hole in my pocket that says you cannot tell the difference.
So, if it makes you feel good that you spent big bux on your speaker wires, good for you. But please do not try to ascribe it to the "fact" that your uber-expensive wire is better than plain old multi-stranded copper. The science is not with you. And plain old common sense is not with you, either...
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Post by monkumonku on Jan 17, 2013 19:01:03 GMT -5
Folks, this thread began talking about the non-differences in speaker cabling. Somehow, some folks got their panties in a bunch and started in about how there are marked differences in amps, receivers, CD players, etc. Please keep in mind that all of those devices are MUCH more complex than a 20 ft. run of wire. And, yes, there *are* differences between these complex devices. Some amps deliver significantly more current than others despite the fact that they have the same or similar wattage ratings. And some speakers really like to see a lot of current. Some amps have significantly faster slew rates than others, and this can make an audible difference. Similarly, there are significant differences among CD players. Some have very solid and vibration-free transports. And, certainly, there are differences between the DACs and output stages of different CD players. These kinds of things can significantly alter the sound quality. But when you get back to the very simple device that is a wire, there are vanishingly small differences among them providing that that they are electrically correct, do a reasonable job of rejecting spurious RFI, and are of sufficient gauge for the length being used. For these reasons, I would expect that virtually no one here at the Lounge would be able to tell whether Wire A or Wire B was being used providing both wires meet the above criteria. And I mean NO ONE. I have a crisp Benjie burning a hole in my pocket that says you cannot tell the difference. So, if it makes you feel good that you spent big bux on your speaker wires, good for you. But please do not try to ascribe it to the "fact" that your uber-expensive wire is better than plain old multi-stranded copper. The science is not with you. And plain old common sense is not with you, either... -RW- Yes, but that doesn't matter. What does matter: |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 19:09:01 GMT -5
My favorite Star Wars quote?
"These are not the 'droids you seek..." The last time I used that line with the cops, they were NOT amused...
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