NorthStar
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Post by NorthStar on Aug 21, 2010 21:07:15 GMT -5
Above the head: I might have guessed that one... That IOSONO is pretty cool stuff, but I think I only could fit in about 253 speakers...Oh what a shame!
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Post by ausman on Aug 22, 2010 6:10:31 GMT -5
not to mention the sound desk to go with it...
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Post by Erwin.BE on Aug 22, 2010 8:05:26 GMT -5
11.3 would be my choice.. 3 amp solution 1 xpa-5 2 xpa-3 as for the xpr line if you went the 2 xpr-5 route you will still need to use either a upa-1 or xpa-1 for center channel. until the xpr line comes out fully it is simply a waste of time using them in a 11 channel setup and to start comparing them with what's already available is a folly in speculation... Good 11-channel thinking here. I like these two options: 1/ XPA-5 + two XPA-3: rather affordable @ $2,200, 200 Watts all round, total 12RU is manageable. I would use the XPA-5 for the center + 4 surrounds and an XPA-3 for each "leg" with Main/Width/Height. Actually perfect for the speakers I want to build. 2/ XPA-1 + two XPR-5: 500 + 10 x 400 Watts. total height is 14 RU. The XPA-1 for the center and a XPR-5 for each leg. Maybe overkill... I want to add a third possibility: 3/ two XPA-5 + UPA-1: UPA-1 for the center and an XPA-5 for each leg. Interesting vs #1 that LCR are separated completely. And only 10RU!
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Aug 23, 2010 5:34:37 GMT -5
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Post by Erwin.BE on Aug 31, 2010 3:32:58 GMT -5
AND?
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Post by Erwin.BE on Aug 31, 2010 4:06:43 GMT -5
OK, you win! All 8 of you! I did a bit of a rethink and here is what I would do now. I am also no longer wanting to make the towers myself. I have more than enough to do building the house without worrying about speaker construction. I am still making the tall SW with Maelstrom 18" of course. Layout: 11.2 Speakers: LCR are behind an acoustic open fixed screen. I return to my original choice: Bowers & Wilkins CT7.3 LCRS These are in-cabinet 3-way rated at 200W@8ohm with fixed (FST) midrange. I heard them in Holland and they are very musical (unlike the Klipsch Ultra2 range that B&W took as a template) and are 94 dB - which is loud, as one would like! They are less than a foot deep, like the big tower SW positioned between them. The rest of the front wall will be stuffed with insulation for sound absorption. I have to study that part, I can't find enough info how to do it correctly. Bass is very difficult to absorb, but the double layer of drywall with heavy foil sandwiched between them should do something. Just don't know how much. Ceiling of the listening area will also be lowered with DIY absorption panels (4" with 4" plenum) to encounter first reflection. Front High LR and Surround Back LR - yes, 2 of them - will be the B&W CCM 7.5 These in-ceilings compliment the CT-series. This smaller version does not have the FST, it's only a 2-way but they are OK for the modest duty they have to perform. Rated for 150W@8ohm (88dB) Front Wide LR and Surround LR are the B&W CM7 gloss black These are free standing compact pretty design towers. I use 2 of them now in my 5.1 and although they lack ultimate bass capacity, it's a very enjoyable speaker. Also with the FST. I might screw a round steel footplate and raisers on the bottom to make them both higher and less prone to knocking over as they will be in the room. Rated for 150W@8ohm (88 dB) Amps: UPA-1 for the Center 2 XPA-5 for each LR leg. Total 10RU is manageable IMO 2 XPR-5 + XPA-1 would be overkill. Also 14RU which is more than I like. Prepro: A hypothetical 11.2. Betting on Marantz AV8005/9005!
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Aug 31, 2010 7:35:55 GMT -5
AND? .... and it has not arrived yet, it is coming via USPS from the US to Ireland which can take a while - and that assumes it does not get lost too. So maybe by the end of the week I might have it and can play with it at the weekend.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Sept 1, 2010 13:35:03 GMT -5
The CS3x just arrived.
Chances are it will be the weekend before I get to try it properly.
It's going to be fun with this and my 2nd F15 I think. ;-)
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Sept 7, 2010 4:02:35 GMT -5
I've not forgotten about this. I do have the CS3X Jr in hand and have played with it. What it does seems to be excellent, however, I am having gain issues causing hiss/hum in the speakers. It looks like it is designed to go between source and pre-amp and it is not playing well when between pre-amp and amp. I lowered the gain controls it has which reduced the hiss so it is not audible over 30cm away, likewise the hum is not really audible over 0.5m, but from an audiophile PoV it is not really right. The other down-side of reducing the gain is that the levels from the CS3X are now around 12db lower than the other speakers requiring a major boost in the trim settings and meaning you can't toggle between it being engage or by-passed without having to change the trims. A mixed bag to be sure and very disappointing as it looks like it would be really nice. Anyone else tried one and where was it connected and what results did you get? I am not ruling out the speaker sensitivity (I have to try another speaker yet) or a bad (noise inducing) PSU or just a bad unit (although I am told they are all factory tested before shipping). Edit: clean-up for typos etc.
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Post by ausman on Sept 12, 2010 12:20:58 GMT -5
personally if I had the cash
1st choice
11x upa-1
11x xpa-1
11x xpr-1
second choice
1x xpa-1 2x xpa-5
1x xpa-1 2x xpr-5
1x xpr-1 2x xpr-5
3rd choice
1x xpa-1 5x xpa-2
1x xpr-1 5x xpr-2
4th choice
1x xpa-5 2x xpa-3..
there is many combo setups you can use though if you're going to start using xpa-1/2 or the xpr-1/2, make sure which ever room you use it in is big enough distribute sound throughout the whole area otherwise the sound will sound shithouse... these setup configurations aren't meant for a 4x3 room...
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Sept 12, 2010 13:05:47 GMT -5
5 x UPA-1 (fronts + widths) 2 x XPA-5 - Surrounds + 4 x height channels from 2 x CS3X Jrs from the surrounds. 15.x FTW. That's the way mine is heading if I can sort out this CS3x, otherwise it will likely go the 11 x UPA-1 route and the XPA-5 will join the UMC-1 being sold as a set or used in another room.
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Post by NorthStar on Sept 12, 2010 13:13:51 GMT -5
If I had it my way, I would not sit in front of a computer screen and clicking keys on a keyboard, but always travel around the World 365 til I become extinct. Music & Movies would be Real Life itself, outside in the Mountains, in the Valleys, on the Ocean, on the Beaches, and all that exotic Bluess/Jazzz stuff... Smashing baby! ;D
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Post by Erwin.BE on Sept 13, 2010 2:32:47 GMT -5
If I had it my way, I would not sit in front of a computer screen and clicking keys on a keyboard, but always travel around the World 365 til I become extinct. Music & Movies would be Real Life itself, outside in the Mountains, in the Valleys, on the Ocean, on the Beaches, and all that exotic Bluess/Jazzz stuff... Smashing baby! ;D LOL, you are something else! You have view of Juan De Fuca Strait where your house is? Does not seem so bad from here... We thought about Australia, but we got scared in the end. Scared to loose what we have, which is a lot... both material and personal.
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Post by NorthStar on Sept 13, 2010 5:00:01 GMT -5
If I had it my way, I would not sit in front of a computer screen and clicking keys on a keyboard, but always travel around the World 365 til I become extinct. Music & Movies would be Real Life itself, outside in the Mountains, in the Valleys, on the Ocean, on the Beaches, and all that exotic Bluess/Jazzz stuff... Smashing baby! ;D LOL, you are something else! You have view of Juan De Fuca Strait where your house is? Does not seem so bad from here... We thought about Australia, but we got scared in the end. Scared to loose what we have, which is a lot... both material and personal. I'm on the East side of Vancouver Island, near Victoria, with view on the Ocean, and it is magnificent indeed. You can do some very short walking, or driving, or canoeing, or boating, or sailing, and you'll get beautiful views from all around. You see the Strait of Georgia, as well the Juan de Fuca Strait. * From my front kitchen window I can see Mount Baker (3,285 meters) for example. * I am now totally FREE (for the last 10 years or so) of any material life. ______________________________ Another good tip:=> Don't run Audyssey on a rainy day.
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Post by ausman on Sept 13, 2010 10:01:41 GMT -5
sounds like a nice area to live, wish I had the cash to move to Canada..
Got some relatives in the area...
someone could try a 22.6 setup or a 33.9
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Post by casey01 on Sept 13, 2010 11:01:00 GMT -5
I've not forgotten about this. I do have the CS3X Jr in hand and have played with it. What it does seems to be excellent, however, I am having gain issues causing hiss/hum in the speakers. It looks like it is designed to go between source and pre-amp and it is not playing well when between pre-amp and amp. I lowered the gain controls it has which reduced the hiss so it is not audible over 30cm away, likewise the hum is not really audible over 0.5m, but from an audiophile PoV it is not really right. The other down-side of reducing the gain is that the levels from the CS3X are now around 12db lower than the other speakers requiring a major boost in the trim settings and meaning you can't toggle between it being engage or by-passed without having to change the trims. A mixed bag to be sure and very disappointing as it looks like it would be really nice. Anyone else tried one and where was it connected and what results did you get? I am not ruling out the speaker sensitivity (I have to try another speaker yet) or a bad (noise inducing) PSU or just a bad unit (although I am told they are all factory tested before shipping). Edit: clean-up for typos etc. I have one of those units sitting in my cellar that I bought a few years ago. It was designed primarily to add a rear back channel to an HT set-up actually prior to DTS ES, DD EX and other forms of 6.1/7.1 decoding becoming standard features on AVR/Pre-Pros. Obviously, its lifespan was relatively short-lived but also because of the considerable extra expense required for it to function effectively. To operate in the manner it was designed for, you had to add "two" separate amps(one being an integrated amp connected via the RL/RR pre-outs from your AVR so you could pre-out from the int. amp to the "box" then to the amp driving the back speaker(s)) since it derived its signal from the RL/RR sound of 5.1 soundtracks. Once I bought a new AVR with those features, it was retired to my rather large archive of outdated electronics. While I did have it hooked up it worked quite well, however, as mentioned, by todays standards of very quiet amplification, it was far too noisy(hum and hiss). That wasn't unusual, it was just the nature of the beast.
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