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Post by johnrice on Dec 22, 2010 21:20:55 GMT -5
Porscheguy, I have had Thiels for about 18 years and it is the same situation. This is part of the reason I have a second system in the living room with Polks. They sound pretty decent, but they are quite forgiving. They are also nowhere near as "intrusive" as the Thiels, which makes tme better for a more public room. I just don't tend to listen to "lacking" recordings in the room with the Thiels.
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Post by VisN on Dec 23, 2010 9:01:11 GMT -5
Briank,
I tried your red wine suggestion but I just can't get it to pass an audio signal thru' it. Maybe I'm using the varietal (I tried a cabernet sauvignon). Also I guess if I'm listening in stereo I'd need 2 bottles.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2010 10:46:02 GMT -5
It makes perfect sense that good speakers would be revealing of poor recordings. You could probably use a equalizer to make them better, I do this at times with miniDSPs. I think some mastering attempts to correct for ordinary/poor speakers. I prefer to have it revealed and correct for it. My ScanSpeak center speaker is especially revealing with dialog sounding just plain wrong with bad mic-ing. When I used some Logitech computer speakers as my only speaker source this was not true. I didn't install my a/v system for six years because of a medical condition and lack of money. Now I have a all Emotiva system with high end kit speakers actively crossed over and it is truly marvelous.
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Post by orangeLollies on Jan 13, 2011 2:37:22 GMT -5
I would like a pair of Revel Ultima 2's :-) Ohhhh Yeeeah ...now we're talkin!!! ;D Although far from Revels, I too discovered the same paradox when going from my Altec/Lansing 2.1 setup to my Marantz/Wharfedale kit (my first and current step into HiFi) ...funny that ...Cant wait to make more CDs sound cr@p when I finally get some uber speakers ...Currently fluttering my eyelids at some PSB Synchrony Ones  Out of perverted curiosity...How much do a pair of Ultima2 Salon2 and/or Studio2's go for??? Shane |
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Jan 13, 2011 8:13:03 GMT -5
If you have to ask you can't afford them. I see your wish list has been deleted - surely you want to replace your WNW sub? |
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Post by Porscheguy on Jan 13, 2011 10:07:53 GMT -5
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Post by kml on Jan 13, 2011 10:51:13 GMT -5
I have a piece in my studio called a BBE sonic maximizer. Its operating principal is that it slows or speeds up some frequencies so they arrive at your ear at the same time (more or less). Many studios use this piece at mix down. It's quite dramatic when used as it breathes new life into bad recordings. I'm thinking about putting it back into my system. www.bbesound.com/products/sonic-maximizers/882i.aspxI use an Aphex 204 for recording that are of lesser quality. Sounds like it's similar to BBE. I love mine! www.aphex.com/products/204-aural-exciter/cheers ken |
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Post by Ctuna on Jan 13, 2011 11:07:23 GMT -5
Along with allot of you I find myself getting spoiled on good recordings since I have upgraded to my Emotiva gear.
I can hardly listen to some of the old classic rock CDs I have in my collection anymore, the recordings are just terrible. HDCDs from Reference Recordings and other sites are also changing my taste in music as well.
Classical music which I never cared for before is wetting my appetite for some really good music. I thought I would never say that, maybe I am just getting older and wiser ?
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Post by audiogeek on Jan 13, 2011 11:16:04 GMT -5
I too have grown older and more into jazz recordings, but part of that reason is that the rock recordings i used to listen to now sound like cr@p. I don't find very many current popular music redbook CDs to be recorded very well. I listen to a fair amount of multi channel SACDs and they sound so much better on my system, that it's hard to go back to lesser CDs. Even most of my 10 year old DTS 5.1 CDs sound excellent on my current system. I blame it all on the wide variety of CD mastering that is used.
I have redbook CD of "Kind of Blue" that was originally recorded in the 60s - it sounds excellent on my system, so I know that redbook CDs can be mastered to sound very good on a higher resolution system/speakers.
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Post by orangeLollies on Jan 13, 2011 23:12:23 GMT -5
If you have to ask you can't afford them. I see your wish list has been deleted - surely you want to replace your WNW sub? Yep, I still have a 'wishlist', but prefer to just enjoy the moment and rewards will come As far as subs go, I've taken an interest in the Rythmic stuff (although shipping doubles the price) and the new PSB SubSeries 300 |
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Post by gerbilaudio on Jun 21, 2011 6:43:11 GMT -5
I am glad there are others here using sound processors like bbe sonic maximizers to correct recording inefficiencies or weakness in the system. I have been doing that since the 80's using omnisonic imagers, sonic holography, dbx and equalizers, even a reverb. Today I still use them. I even use tube rolling with yaqin tube buffers. I have behringers, aphex, bbe, art, acoustic research, dbx, peavey, srslabs for sound processing and DAKIOM feedback stabilizers to enhance, clean create realistic non fatiguing sound reproduction. Snell makes good box speakers, but I prefer unconventional designs such as planars and electrostats or hybrids, because those designs makes the best of both worlds!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 7:07:54 GMT -5
When buying $10,000+ speakers one should keep in mind that the drivers probably cost less than $2,000, the crossover probably less than $300 (unless they waste money on uber expensive capacitors), and maybe a $1000 on cabinets. All of this pretty much remains the same cost as one gets even more expensive speaker systems. That's one of the reasons why I will continue to build my own, I can have very high end speakers at a bargain price.
As far as badly mastered music, it will only get worse as long as the majority listen to highly compressed material on their iphones and such.
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Post by Porscheguy on Jun 21, 2011 7:27:07 GMT -5
From a recent speaker review I read:
Six years ago, I asked Floyd Toole, who at the time was VP of acoustical engineering at Harman International (parent company of JBL), what he considered the point of diminishing returns for a loudspeaker — i.e., above what price level would you cease to get large improvements in sound quality by spending more money? As one of the wisest and most important scientists in audio, he qualified his response in numerous ways, but finally answered, “Maybe $2,000 per pair.”
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Jun 21, 2011 7:33:40 GMT -5
That sounds about right - so it would probably equate to maybe $1200/pair for internet direct ... that seems to match up with the ERM-6.3 curiously.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 7:57:45 GMT -5
You probably get 99% of the performance of a $10,000 speaker system with that $1,200.
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Post by annjones13 on Jun 21, 2011 19:22:19 GMT -5
I have a pair of Snell K II's that sit unused , but that I could never part with. Great sound for there size, just no bass.
I prefer ACCURATE sound! My Klipsch system is OK for movies, but if I won the lottery today I would pick up a pair of NHT 3.3's currently on the 'Gon for $1.5k. A pair of XPA-1's or Xpa-2 to drive them...heaven.
Someday maybe I will hear angels sing........ Lord willing
Ann
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Post by bobbyt on Jun 22, 2011 6:28:43 GMT -5
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