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Post by NorthStar on Nov 5, 2010 23:56:53 GMT -5
After all, this is a virtual world without real virtuosity.
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Post by jutta on Nov 6, 2010 5:45:47 GMT -5
^ But this is only from one post! Can you simply multiquote several different posters just like you can on most other sites? * I need quickness, efficiency, and "rapidite etonnante". You mean like this......  After all, this is a virtual world without real virtuosity. And this..... We really need more people for a blind test. Maybe I can recruit my brother tomorrow. I am going to get my HDMI cables which are longer and easier to switch between the two. Get a couple of supermodels in for a different demographic |
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Post by NorthStar on Nov 6, 2010 7:45:54 GMT -5
^ Alright, how do you do that, and is it fast? ...As going against the fast currents of the rapids.
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Post by jamrock on Nov 6, 2010 8:10:47 GMT -5
Bill: When I use a paragraph to comment on a subject, and you respond by dividing that paragraph into individual sentences and phrases, then respond to each separately, it very difficult to make a cohesive response to you. You are just about the only poster who does this kind of response.
Here is how I end this discussion: I'm not seeking a verbal fight with you or any other poster. No personal attack intended on my part. That said, while I mostly rely on objective evaluations of components in order to make my purchases, I still believe that there is a legitimate place for subjective expressions of what a listener hears. Yes, subjectivity can be dangerous because you never know a person's hidden agenda - some with good intent, others with malice. But, if the person has sound knowledge of the subject and a history of objectivity, I will normally give great weight to that person's opinion - I bought 2 Ultra 12 subs based soley on the "First Look' review in Audioholics. The price and warranty were factors too. I also contacted Audioholics about the Emo amps long before their review of the UPA-7, and I bought the UPA-7 and the UPA-2. I'm not disappointed.
I believe that an evaluation is done best when the human element is removed entirely. Let the test bench do the talking. But while the specs can be a reliable guide for expected performance, they do not always tell the whole story about a component. The human input must then explain how the component performs in the real world, and that's what matters most to me and is most critical as well. And here we come full circle - If you have a known bias for or against the component you have reviewed, you have automatically disqualified yourself in the credibility department. Thanks for listening.
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Post by NorthStar on Nov 6, 2010 8:15:23 GMT -5
Bill is Ok, he's his own way! |
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Post by jamrock on Nov 6, 2010 8:30:56 GMT -5
Bill is Ok, he's his own way! Yea, he's alright. BTW, I only have access to the smilies when I'm responding to a quote. How do I get unrestricted access to them? Thanx jamrock |
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Post by Woodpecker on Nov 6, 2010 9:17:05 GMT -5
Maybe billmac is really Bill O'reilly!? Just kiddin' Bill! The multiple quote deal makes everything look like talking points taken out of context. Atleast here we really do have the 'no spin zone'.  |
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Post by thepcguy on Nov 6, 2010 14:18:06 GMT -5
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Post by billmac on Nov 6, 2010 14:30:21 GMT -5
No conspiracy theory here although this thread was moved from the Processors forum to the Processor/preamp review forum. No post was made by the Mods indicating the thread was moved so I assumed it was deleted . Bill |
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Post by thepcguy on Nov 6, 2010 14:43:34 GMT -5
No conspiracy theory here although this thread was moved from the Processors forum to the Processor/preamp review forum. No post was made by the Mods indicating the thread was moved so I assumed it was deleted . Bill you've been pretty active on this thread and you could've checked your profile to see your previous posts before 'reporting' this thread has been deleted. |
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Post by billmac on Nov 6, 2010 15:06:24 GMT -5
I really find it humorous how you are telling me "Here is how I end this discussion:", priceless ;D. If you were not looking for a verbal fight or to attack someone in this thread why did you post this? We already know BrianHD's bias against the UMC-1. If warranted, how will he admit that he ditched the UMC-1 for something more expensive that does not provide any sonic advantage, or is possibly sonically inferior? Isn't he forced to conclude that the MRX 700 performed better?I would say you are indicating that Brian-HD will not give an honest unbiased opinion. To me that is a personal attack on his credibility . If you look back at the beginning of this thread everything was very civil and on topic until your post (#12). For some reason you needed to point out that Brian-HD could not possibly give an unbiased review. Was that post really needed? Was that post the least bit on topic to the discussion? Would you like it if the tables were turned and someone said what you posted about you? I would guess you would not be too happy about it. How do you know that Brian-HD might very well say "man the UMC-1 sounds much better than the MRX-700"? But you have already decided that he will not do that and announced it here in this thread. Not looking to attack anyone here, yeah right nice try  . Bill |
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Post by billmac on Nov 6, 2010 15:15:01 GMT -5
you've been pretty active on this thread and you could've checked your profile to see your previous posts before 'reporting' this thread has been deleted. Yes I am pretty active in this thread. When I last posted it was in the Processors forum. I come back to the Processors forum and the thread is gone  . The sad part is that from time to time threads do get deleted on the Lounge. Sometimes for very good reasons and sometimes for no reason . But I appreciate that you pointed out that the thread was moved. As usual you are a vital member of this forum . Bill |
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Post by jeffreymercado on Nov 6, 2010 18:57:31 GMT -5
Well today was a great day for a lot of reasons. First we finished comparing the UMC-1 to the Anthem. It was pretty much decided that BrianHd was very happy with his purchase because as he says it: the Anthem just works.
The UMC-1 is inferior as we volume matched it and for some reason it was like 10db lower than his Anthem. If we raised the volume they pretty much sounded the same on analog. On HDMI it was a different story. Whatever DSP was going on gave his speakers more bass and I felt the vocals were more pronounced on the UMC-1.
The Anthem for $1999 MSRP has a way better calibration in the ARC software. And as a standalone receiver it sounded just as good as the UMC-1, B & K amp combo.
The extra features on the Anthem would be the USB port for easy upgrades. Hd radio if you are into that. The Anthem Room Correction is a huge advantage over the less than ideal EMO-Q, but hey the UMC-1 is only $699.
The sound quality on both were very good to me. If I had the money I would go with the Anthem for the ARC and the peace of mind. It sounds so good you don't need an external amp and that says a lot.
But the rest of the day was very interesting as we heard and compared the B & W 805 Diamonds against BrianHDs Epos. We went to innovative audio where a guy named Chris really went out of his way to give us a grand demo experience. We heard 802s and Wilson Sophia's with all our favorite music thanks to that really cool meridian music server Sooloos.
Loved the 802s better than the Wilsons which were $26000 but it's a ll about what kind of sound you like. We then went to Stereo Exchange downtown and we heard the Sonus Faber which sounded amazing. But then the rep said if you like those I have another speaker for you to hear. So he played the Joseph Audio Pusar monitors. Let me tell you, that was an experience. It was love like the 802s only out of a monitor. If you went to the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest, they were the speakers that stole the show. I heard why, I asked the demo guy to A B the 805s to humor me. It was not even close, there was an immersion of sound that was unbelievable. The bass was huge an uncanny from such a sized speaker. The difference was evident in every note, I love them. For $6999 I better, the price is a bit much but you live with these speakers for a good long time and be extremely happy and that as they say is priceless.
Great day guys, glad you cared to read, and sorry we could not do better for you.
And please, if you got a beef just take it off the thread and PM each other no thread jacking
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Post by Pauly on Nov 6, 2010 19:33:11 GMT -5
So as far as SQ goes, it sounds like they were pretty equal, huh? I am a little confused about your HDMI comment though. Was the Anthem better with HDMI, or the Emo?
It sounds like a great receiver, especially since you said it doesn't even need an external amp. That's pretty impressive. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and the story of your great day.
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Post by jeffreymercado on Nov 6, 2010 19:49:02 GMT -5
So as far as SQ goes, it sounds like they were pretty equal, huh? I am a little confused about your HDMI comment though. Was the Anthem better with HDMI, or the Emo? It sounds like a great receiver, especially since you said it doesn't even need an external amp. That's pretty impressive. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and the story of your great day. Well they were both uncalibrated at HDMI stage of the listening. I had just got there and we were anxious to hear something. So that is very subjective. That being said the UMC-1 had more bass and the vocals were more forward. It sounded as if Diana Krall was breathing on you, but again everything was not calibrated. After we did the calibration, things sounded pretty much the same with a slight edge to the Anthem in richness in sound. We never did figure out why the UMC-1 sounded lower after we calibrated both of them manually. Pauly your dog is Bat-cute |
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Post by billmac on Nov 6, 2010 19:56:23 GMT -5
The UMC-1 is inferior as we volume matched it and for some reason it was like 10db lower than his Anthem. If we raised the volume they pretty much sounded the same on analog. On HDMI it was a different story. Whatever DSP was going on gave his speakers more bass and I felt the vocals were more pronounced on the UMC-1. Jeffrey, I'm somewhat confused when you say the UMC-1 is inferior as far as volume matching . Are you saying with the volume at a specific point on the volume control of each unit? Did you level match the volumes of both with a SPL meter? Also did you have a chance to listen to any 2CH music? If you did what were your impressions of the MRX-700? Thanks for sharing your thoughts on these two I'm sure the new Anthem AVRs will generate a lot of interest. Bill |
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Post by jeffreymercado on Nov 7, 2010 8:55:02 GMT -5
We volume matched both units to 75db. We then started listening and only in two channel. The Anthem at the same volume that was calibrated was 10db higher than the UMC @ the same volume. They both sounded very good for two channel anyone would be happy.
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Post by NorthStar on Nov 7, 2010 9:14:05 GMT -5
Bill is Ok, he's his own way! Yea, he's alright. BTW, I only have access to the smilies when I'm responding to a quote. How do I get unrestricted access to them? Thanx jamrock Beats me Jamrock, I don't even know how to roller skate!  |
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Post by NorthStar on Nov 7, 2010 9:22:08 GMT -5
Well today was a great day for a lot of reasons. First we finished comparing the UMC-1 to the Anthem. It was pretty much decided that BrianHd was very happy with his purchase because as he says it: the Anthem just works. The UMC-1 is inferior as we volume matched it and for some reason it was like 10db lower than his Anthem. If we raised the volume they pretty much sounded the same on analog. On HDMI it was a different story. Whatever DSP was going on gave his speakers more bass and I felt the vocals were more pronounced on the UMC-1. The Anthem for $1999 MSRP has a way better calibration in the ARC software. And as a standalone receiver it sounded just as good as the UMC-1, B & K amp combo. The extra features on the Anthem would be the USB port for easy upgrades. Hd radio if you are into that. The Anthem Room Correction is a huge advantage over the less than ideal EMO-Q, but hey the UMC-1 is only $699. The sound quality on both were very good to me. If I had the money I would go with the Anthem for the ARC and the peace of mind. It sounds so good you don't need an external amp and that says a lot. But the rest of the day was very interesting as we heard and compared the B & W 805 Diamonds against BrianHDs Epos. We went to innovative audio where a guy named Chris really went out of his way to give us a grand demo experience. We heard 802s and Wilson Sophia's with all our favorite music thanks to that really cool meridian music server Sooloos. Loved the 802s better than the Wilsons which were $26000 but it's a ll about what kind of sound you like. We then went to Stereo Exchange downtown and we heard the Sonus Faber which sounded amazing. But then the rep said if you like those I have another speaker for you to hear. So he played the Joseph Audio Pusar monitors. Let me tell you, that was an experience. It was love like the 802s only out of a monitor. If you went to the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest, they were the speakers that stole the show. I heard why, I asked the demo guy to A B the 805s to humor me. It was not even close, there was an immersion of sound that was unbelievable. The bass was huge an uncanny from such a sized speaker. The difference was evident in every note, I love them. For $6999 I better, the price is a bit much but you live with these speakers for a good long time and be extremely happy and that as they say is priceless. Great day guys, glad you cared to read, and sorry we could not do better for you. And please, if you got a beef just take it off the thread and PM each other no thread jacking Thank you very much sir for sharing your overall impressions between these two great components! And thank you too for those additional comments on those high end speakers. ...Very cool!  * It is post like this (yours) that makes our life more informed. Regards, Bob |
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Post by moe on Nov 8, 2010 18:00:06 GMT -5
I'm sure most of us appreciate the review and the time.I was curious why for comparison you did not just crank each unit up to a certain db at the same listening position?
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