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Post by geebo on Mar 13, 2012 13:51:26 GMT -5
".....I think my ears adjusted is what happened......" (You have adjustable ears?) Well, I sometimes play an exercise which I did with your post. After reading only the first paragraph I could see that you were going to do an OMD-C1 versus OMD-C2 comparison as the center speaker for your OMD-15 system. Before I read anymore, I thought I would see if I could predict which would be the best match. I went to the Mirage site and checked out the specs for the two centers and the OMD-15. It was clear to me that the OMD-C1 was the correct timbre/voice match for the OMD-15's and not the OMD-C2. Some folks think I'm nuts (they might be correct) but many times one can predict a lot just by analyzing the website and specifications. I presumed that you might like the sound of the C-2 over the C-1 by themselves but the center speaker is supposed to be part of a trio of perfectly matched speakers across the front. Too many folks IMO listen to the center as a separate speaker which is a big mistake in achieving a perfect LCR blend. Considering also the crossover points on the two center speakers and the OMD-15, your feedback is just what I expected......"I could tell it doesn't blend as well as the C1 but it is still a close timbre match - you can tell they are from the same family......" So I was initially surprised that you plan on keeping the C-2 since the C-1 is the obvious match in the Mirage line for the OMD-15. Then I remembered who's thread I was reading, Monkumonku's. OK, so I have to expand my scope in evaluating your review and subconscious/subliminal future intentions .......... Monkumonku, oh Monkumonku, please listen to your inner voices ..... there is another Mirage tower that just happens to be the perfect match for the new C-2 ..... So now I go back to the Mirage site and in fact see that the OMD-28 just happens to be the perfect match in the Mirage line for the OMD-C2, same drivers, same material, same crossover, you name it. OK, let's go one step further, I'm not stupid and I catch on fairly fast. The OMD-C5 is the perfect match for the OMD-15 and the OMD-C1 ......... however, the perfect surround match for the OMD-28 and the OMD-C2 is not the C5 but happens to be the OMD-R surround speaker. Oh, I get it folks. He is slowly progressing from the Mirage OMD-15, 5.1 system to the OMD-28, 5.1 system, one step at a time. First change the center, then the tower, and then the surrounds. FROM:(2) OMD-15 Front LR (1) OMD-C1 Center (2) OMD-5s Surrounds TO(2) OMD-28 Front LR (1) OMD-C2 Center (2) OMD-Rs Surrounds ah so desu ka ..... I see what he is up to now! "..........I will just have to keep an eye on Vann's to put the 28's on a big sale..........." "..........I don't mind if you buy new stuff as long as you sell the old stuff..........." (But Rickie, what about the Triton 2's and 3's Dwayland has been raving about?) "..........One thing I would like to hear, hopefully soon, are the upcoming reference speakers from Emo with the ribbon tweeters..........." ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/category/desc/27/0/0.77_105_114_97_103_101/mirage-speakers/Of course, everyone already knew that...everyone except Mrs. Monku. ;D |
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 13, 2012 14:08:49 GMT -5
".....I think my ears adjusted is what happened......" (You have adjustable ears?) Well, I sometimes play an exercise which I did with your post. After reading only the first paragraph I could see that you were going to do an OMD-C1 versus OMD-C2 comparison as the center speaker for your OMD-15 system. Before I read anymore, I thought I would see if I could predict which would be the best match. I went to the Mirage site and checked out the specs for the two centers and the OMD-15. It was clear to me that the OMD-C1 was the correct timbre/voice match for the OMD-15's and not the OMD-C2. Some folks think I'm nuts (they might be correct) but many times one can predict a lot just by analyzing the website and specifications. I presumed that you might like the sound of the C-2 over the C-1 by themselves but the center speaker is supposed to be part of a trio of perfectly matched speakers across the front. Too many folks IMO listen to the center as a separate speaker which is a big mistake in achieving a perfect LCR blend. Considering also the crossover points on the two center speakers and the OMD-15, your feedback is just what I expected......"I could tell it doesn't blend as well as the C1 but it is still a close timbre match - you can tell they are from the same family......" So I was initially surprised that you plan on keeping the C-2 since the C-1 is the obvious match in the Mirage line for the OMD-15. Then I remembered who's thread I was reading, Monkumonku's. OK, so I have to expand my scope in evaluating your review and subconscious/subliminal future intentions .......... Monkumonku, oh Monkumonku, please listen to your inner voices ..... there is another Mirage tower that just happens to be the perfect match for the new C-2 ..... So now I go back to the Mirage site and in fact see that the OMD-28 just happens to be the perfect match in the Mirage line for the OMD-C2, same drivers, same material, same crossover, you name it. OK, let's go one step further, I'm not stupid and I catch on fairly fast. The OMD-C5 is the perfect match for the OMD-15 and the OMD-C1 ......... however, the perfect surround match for the OMD-28 and the OMD-C2 is not the C5 but happens to be the OMD-R surround speaker. Oh, I get it folks. He is slowly progressing from the Mirage OMD-15, 5.1 system to the OMD-28, 5.1 system, one step at a time. First change the center, then the tower, and then the surrounds. FROM:(2) OMD-15 Front LR (1) OMD-C1 Center (2) OMD-5s Surrounds TO(2) OMD-28 Front LR (1) OMD-C2 Center (2) OMD-Rs Surrounds ah so desu ka ..... I see what he is up to now! "..........I will just have to keep an eye on Vann's to put the 28's on a big sale..........." "..........I don't mind if you buy new stuff as long as you sell the old stuff..........." (But Rickie, what about the Triton 2's and 3's Dwayland has been raving about?) "..........One thing I would like to hear, hopefully soon, are the upcoming reference speakers from Emo with the ribbon tweeters..........." ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/category/desc/27/0/0.77_105_114_97_103_101/mirage-speakers/Of course, everyone already knew that...everyone except Mrs. Monku. ;D ;D Good thing she finds the Emo lounge a boring place. ;D |
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Post by copperband on Mar 13, 2012 14:29:35 GMT -5
I mentioned this a while ago: Having own the 15, it makes me wonder how good the 28 are at 3 times the price of 15  Now you all got me thinking about the 28....even though I stop thinking about that for a very long time  |
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 13, 2012 14:37:41 GMT -5
I mentioned this a while ago: Having own the 15, it makes me wonder how good the 28 are at 3 times the price of 15 Now you all got me thinking about the 28....even though I stop thinking about that for a very long time I've read mixed stuff about this. I think in some cases people who weren't overwhelmed were ones using AVR's to power the 28's. My experience with the C2 is it needs an amp, like an Emo product, not an AVR. The 28's are probably even more power hungry. Let's wait and see what Spurriersucks has to say since he has the 15's and is getting the 28's this week. That should be a good review! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 21:18:53 GMT -5
Mirage rates the OMD-28 as 3dB's less efficient than the OMD-15. Home Theater Magazine tested the OMD-15 at 87dB's. If this is accurate then the OMD-28 is about 84dB's actual efficiency.
Anyone who drives the OMD-28 with an AVR receiver is nuts. Monku, as we all know is nuts, but he does have the XPA-1 to drive the OMD-28's.
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Post by spurriersucks on Mar 13, 2012 21:23:19 GMT -5
I mentioned this a while ago: Having own the 15, it makes me wonder how good the 28 are at 3 times the price of 15 Now you all got me thinking about the 28....even though I stop thinking about that for a very long time I've read mixed stuff about this. I think in some cases people who weren't overwhelmed were ones using AVR's to power the 28's. My experience with the C2 is it needs an amp, like an Emo product, not an AVR. The 28's are probably even more power hungry. Let's wait and see what Spurriersucks has to say since he has the 15's and is getting the 28's this week. That should be a good review! Don't expect a very technical review. It will be short words like awsome, great, wonderful or sucks, waste of money, what an idiot I am. ;D Should be here Thursday!  |
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Post by copperband on Mar 13, 2012 22:39:15 GMT -5
Yeah Monku, I think the 28s would love your XPA-1s ;D
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Post by RightinLA on Mar 13, 2012 23:19:07 GMT -5
Thank you for your review Mr. Monkumonku. I like your argument and rationalization.
I was looking at this center myself after recently acquiring several of the Mirage speakers.
I already have the OMD-5's, OS-Sats and the Nanosats in different applications. I have a pair of the OS-FS on the way and it is only a matter of time before the OMD-15's and 28's will make their presence in my home. I definitely like the omni-directional sound from Mirage.
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 13, 2012 23:28:03 GMT -5
I've read mixed stuff about this. I think in some cases people who weren't overwhelmed were ones using AVR's to power the 28's. My experience with the C2 is it needs an amp, like an Emo product, not an AVR. The 28's are probably even more power hungry. Let's wait and see what Spurriersucks has to say since he has the 15's and is getting the 28's this week. That should be a good review! Don't expect a very technical review. It will be short words like awsome, great, wonderful or sucks, waste of money, what an idiot I am. ;D Should be here Thursday! As long as you get the point across! ;D |
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 13, 2012 23:32:49 GMT -5
Mirage rates the OMD-28 as 3dB's less efficient than the OMD-15. Home Theater Magazine tested the OMD-15 at 87dB's. If this is accurate then the OMD-28 is about 84dB's actual efficiency. Anyone who drives the OMD-28 with an AVR receiver is nuts. Monku, as we all know is nuts, but he does have the XPA-1 to drive the OMD-28's. Yes, you are right, I am definitely nuts! ;D The 15's and C1 don't seem very difficult to drive. But the C2 definitely needs power. No way would I attempt to drive that or the 28's with an AVR. |
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 13, 2012 23:33:44 GMT -5
Yeah Monku, I think the 28s would love your XPA-1s ;D And vice versa.. just waiting for the price to come down, though! |
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 13, 2012 23:41:06 GMT -5
Thank you for your review Mr. Monkumonku. I like your argument and rationalization. I was looking at this center myself after recently acquiring several of the Mirage speakers. I already have the OMD-5's, OS-Sats and the Nanosats in different applications. I have a pair of the OS-FS on the way and it is only a matter of time before the OMD-15's and 28's will make their presence in my home. I definitely like the omni-directional sound from Mirage. That's sort of strange to be called "Mr. Monkumonku." People usually call me all kinds of stuff but not Mister, haha. ;D Anyway.. I did some limited listening tonight and the C2 sounds smoother than the C1. The larger woofers round out the sound, but the mids and highs are still crisp. The tones of the mids and highs are very similar but the C2 handles sibilance and dynamic peaks better. I think my wife is still bothered by the size of that C2. Tonight I had the C1 next to it to do some comparisons later. She asked why are both speakers out there? I said because I want to compare them later to see which one to keep. "You mean you might sell that big one?" "No, I can still return it for a refund. I have 15 days." She pointed to the C1. "That one sounds better." "How do you know? You haven't heard anything yet." "I already know it sounds better. Send that big one back." ;D I forgot to remind her it will be gone by Christmas anyway so what difference does it make. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2012 3:58:33 GMT -5
Maybe this belongs in the humor thread.
LMAO ;D ;D ;D
She pointed to the C1. "That one sounds better."
"How do you know? You haven't heard anything yet."
"I already know it sounds better. Send that big one back."
I forgot to remind her it will be gone by Christmas anyway so what difference does it make.
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 16, 2012 10:23:49 GMT -5
Just thought I'd post that Vann's has the C2 as its deal of the day today (March 16) for $100 less at $499.77 (black only). Since I got mine only last week, I called them and got a price match. Vann's is a great place!  |
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Post by geebo on Mar 16, 2012 10:50:13 GMT -5
Just thought I'd post that Vann's has the C2 as its deal of the day today (March 16) for $100 less at $499.77 (black only). Since I got mine only last week, I called them and got a price match. Vann's is a great place! So did you apply the credit to some 28s? ;D You now have an opportunity to save $4,800.00! You could buy 4 XPA-1s and still have enough money left over to pay for an XMC-1. ! |
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 16, 2012 11:15:48 GMT -5
Just thought I'd post that Vann's has the C2 as its deal of the day today (March 16) for $100 less at $499.77 (black only). Since I got mine only last week, I called them and got a price match. Vann's is a great place! So did you apply the credit to some 28s? ;D You now have an opportunity to save $4,800.00! You could buy 4 XPA-1s and still have enough money left over to pay for an XMC-1. ! I like your math and logic! I don't think Mrs. Monku does, though. ;D If we ever get out to Emofest she will probably give you the glare stare. ;D Maybe I can make a bet with her that the C2 won't be gone by Christmas. I will bet her a pair of the 28's.  |
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Post by copperband on Mar 16, 2012 14:21:24 GMT -5
Just thought I'd post that Vann's has the C2 as its deal of the day today (March 16) for $100 less at $499.77 (black only). Since I got mine only last week, I called them and got a price match. Vann's is a great place! +1 for Vanns, before I know about Emotiva I bought most of my gears from Vanns |
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Post by monkumonku on Feb 28, 2013 23:19:14 GMT -5
I know I'm replying to an old thread (which I started nearly a year ago) but I got a good laugh out of rereading it. I got here by googling "Mirage OMD C2" because I wanted to find out how wide my C2 center channel speaker was and figured it was easier just to google an answer than for lazy me to get up and actually measure it myself.
Back then I had just gotten the speaker, which Mrs. Monku thought was too big and also said it would be gone by Christmas based on the frequency with which speakers seem to come and go in the house.
But here it is almost a year later and it's still here! Actually this is one superb center channel. As I said then, it's the same now, I wouldn't mind having these all across the front except their UFO shape is too wide for left and right duty.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 0:07:06 GMT -5
I just re-read it too. That was definitely a fun thread. ;D
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 1, 2013 0:22:11 GMT -5
I just re-read it too. That was definitely a fun thread. ;D Yes, you are a bad influence!!! But I'm happy. ;D |
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