UPA-500

[sharkman]

No, just noting that your previous statement about a receiver only hitting rated power is when lightning strikes was wrong in this case.

[jamrock]

May 4, 2012 18:34:07 GMT -5 sharkman said:

May 4, 2012 18:04:26 GMT -5 jamrock said:

But excuse me Mr Sharkman; Weren't you one of those who argued that we did not need a powerful 7 channel amp (more than 140 wpc) in that thread that I begged and argued for a 7 channel amp that is of at least 200 wpc. If I'm wrong (and I'll do my research), I sincerely beg your gracious apology.

Uh, no, your recollection is wrong. I said that an Emo model of 140 x 7 would not sell due to the Emotiva business model and current amp line up, as well as customer expectations. I forgive you.

I don't think this new UPA line will last any longer than the previous one, but talk is cheap, and I'm not putting my money on the line as Emotiva is.

And then on the other hand, it looks like Emotiva agrees with the idea of 140 x 7 not working, since their next 7 channel amp will be 200 wpc by the sound of it.

Yes. I look at that thread again and your posts and you are right. I was wrong. Thank you for forgiving my ignorance. But I need to correct your last sentence though. Their next 7 channel amp will be 200 wpc with all channels driven. Therefore, I think that it will be rated at approx 250 wpc ;D

[DYohn]

May 4, 2012 18:40:42 GMT -5 sharkman said:

No, just noting that your previous statement about a receiver only hitting rated power is when lightning strikes was wrong in this case.

I was speaking from personal experience. Most receivers on the market fail to meet their rated power output, with very few exceptions (notably Harmon Kardon and Denon but only with their higher end products.) Plus like I said, if power is all you consider then your system will always be below-average. It's really about sound quality, and the real advantage to any separate amp over (nearly) any receiver is lower distortion, less noise, more stable power supply, larger transient reserves, better impulse response, better dynamic range, plus the added benefits of using a required separate preamp, which in almost every case will blow away the sound from the preamp section of a receiver. Need I go on?

[sharkman]

I wish you would visit the AVS forum and share these ideas, there are knuckle-draggers on that forum who insist that an amp will give no added benefits over an AVR's amp section. I am not kidding.

It's why I recently bought an amp for my theater room, and the change was great.

[sharkman]

May 4, 2012 18:44:34 GMT -5 jamrock said:

Yes. I look at that thread again and your posts and you are right. I was wrong. Thank you for forgiving my ignorance. But I need to correct your last sentence though. Their next 7 channel amp will be 200 wpc with all channels driven. Therefore, I think that it will be rated at approx 250 wpc ;D

Funny guy, jammer!

[DYohn]

I never visit AVS. I used to live there, but I got tired of the endless self-appointed blow-hard 'experts" with no experience in the industry trying to tell me that I didn't know what I was talking about... when I was there are an industry rep. AVS is a hive of scum and villainy as far as I'm concerned.

[sharkman]

Hmm, you may have a point there.

[Golden Ear]

May 4, 2012 18:45:02 GMT -5 DYohn said:

May 4, 2012 18:40:42 GMT -5 sharkman said:

No, just noting that your previous statement about a receiver only hitting rated power is when lightning strikes was wrong in this case.

I was speaking from personal experience. Most receivers on the market fail to meet their rated power output, with very few exceptions (notably Harmon Kardon and Denon but only with their higher end products.) Plus like I said, if power is all you consider then your system will always be below-average. It's really about sound quality, and the real advantage to any separate amp over (nearly) any receiver is lower distortion, less noise, more stable power supply, larger transient reserves, better impulse response, better dynamic range, plus the added benefits of using a required separate preamp, which in almost every case will blow away the sound from the preamp section of a receiver. Need I go on?

I can't agree more. All these receivers on the market states rated power 110 X 7 but when all channel driver only get half the rated power and only meet the rated power on 2 channel driven. It's no brainer that little transformer cant possibly produce the power necessary at rated power.

[jamrock]

May 4, 2012 18:50:40 GMT -5 sharkman said:

May 4, 2012 18:44:34 GMT -5 jamrock said:

Yes. I look at that thread again and your posts and you are right. I was wrong. Thank you for forgiving my ignorance. But I need to correct your last sentence though. Their next 7 channel amp will be 200 wpc with all channels driven. Therefore, I think that it will be rated at approx 250 wpc ;D

Funny guy, jammer!

Truly! That is what Dan said about the wpc rating of the upcoming XPA-7 "200 wpc all channels driven" Oh happy days ;D

[Pauly]

I'm just hoping for a dual mono amp like the "old" RPA. Have they said anything about a dual mono design in the XPR series? Too much to keep up with. I can't remember it all.

[dcg44s]

May 4, 2012 19:25:10 GMT -5 Pauly said:

I'm just hoping for a dual mono amp like the "old" RPA. Have they said anything about a dual mono design in the XPR series? Too much to keep up with. I can't remember it all.

With meters,don't forget the meters. ;D

[GTPlus]

Dan,

I think you deserve major kudos for communicating this information on your products to us here. It certainly is not required but is greatly appriciated. I for one am very excited to hear about the upa-700, and will likely be ordering one when it is available.

On the avr comparison. I'd like to mention two points why the upa-500 is still better than most avr's even if the all channels driven powers are equal. Though I have no doubt the upa-500 is > the above stated avr.

1-most, if not all, lower priced avr's are not rated for 4-ohm. I've been looking and you usually have to move up fairly high in the product lines at most major mfg'rs to get 4 ohm stable amps. 6 ohm is usually the lowest the will factory rate. Plenty of people run 4ohm on them, but I'm much more comfortable with a company rating it officially.

2-when my umc-1 no longer has the latest connections protocols etc, I can upgrade and still have my perfectly good amp. Yes you can still do this with an avr (doing this right now myself) but it is a pain to operate, looks stupid, and is a waste of my precious shelf space.

[Pauly]

Yes, definitely with meters.

Oh yeah Dan, can we get some pics of the UPA-500 in the nude? Everybody loves a good nudie pic.

[jamrock]

May 4, 2012 19:32:55 GMT -5 Pauly said:

Yes, definitely with meters.

Oh yeah Dan, can we get some pics of the UPA-500 in the nude? Everybody loves a good nudie pic.

What is your intent? On 2nd thought, I don't really want to know

[Pauly]

Haha!

[Dan Laufman]

Hi guys,
If you look at the approach we are taking with the new Ultra line of electronics, we have designed and priced them to allow the person who might have been in the receiver market to make the jump to quality separates, and still be in under a grand.

For example...

The new UMC-200 7.1 pre pro - with a great, real world feature set for the entry level home theater enthusiast can be combined with the new UPA-700 power amp, and he's out the door for under $1,000.00.

He's got a quality gear, built to last with a real metal chassis, solid aluminum milled faceplate, big fat toroidal power supply, and more than enough real power for the typical home. He's also got a 5 year warranty, and he eligible for an great new processor upgrade program that we'll talk about shortly.

We want to take the guy who was leaning towards buying a receiver, and get him into real separates for just a little more. I think it'll be very successful and that there is a big hole in the market for this.

We've done a lot of listening to many different receiver products out there and we believe the performance difference we can offer is not subtle.

Of course, we'll be doing the same thing for the two channel line up as well... so lots of fun in days ahead!

Cheers,
Big Dan

[Dan Laufman]

BTW, interior shots will be up very soon, sorry.

How come you don't see detailed interior images of other brands?

[Deleted]

May 5, 2012 0:09:00 GMT -5 Dan Laufman said:

BTW, interior shots will be up very soon, sorry.

How come you don't see detailed interior images of other brands?

Because they aren't a great company like Emotiva

Do i get something free for saying that ;D

[dragonV]

May 4, 2012 17:06:43 GMT -5 Dan Laufman said:

You know it's a coming.... XPA-7.... 7x200 RMS, all channels driven. Soon.

4RU tall.

Sweet.

Goodnite!
Big Dan

Oh thankyou!!!! I have been waiting for this baby for so long.
Perfect specs for me and sure many others.

AWESOME news Dan thanks.

[Mike Ronesia]

May 5, 2012 0:09:57 GMT -5 @kraemerkid2119 said:

May 5, 2012 0:09:00 GMT -5 Dan Laufman said:

BTW, interior shots will be up very soon, sorry.

How come you don't see detailed interior images of other brands?

Because they aren't a great company like Emotiva

Do i get something free for saying that ;D

How about a +1!