Old skool vs New skool

[XPA3VIC]

I have a 1981 yamaha receiver 2 channel of course that is still kickin.I had a get together on Sat. Hooked up 2 cerwin vegas with 12" woofers to a newer denon 5.1 I turned off center channel and sub and surrounds pretty much set it as a 2 channel amp. The denon struggled, So I hooked up the yamaha and it sounded so much better. With better tech these days you would think better stronger products wouldnt you?

[Porscheguy]

I think many times the power sections of the older receivers had way more "hutzpah"

[G-Man]

It's not surprising (to me) that a 30 year old amp sounds as good or better than a newer model. I've got an old Marantz of that same vintage that works just as well as a brand new one.

[Pauly]

Nope, not surprising at all. A lot of the old stereo receivers were really good, and a lot of people still prefer them over the new stuff.

[Deleted]

Keep in mind that the Yamaha is only housing 2 channels within its cabinet, the Denon has 5. Plus, the Denon has video boards and such that the Yammy does not. All of these added items take up space. And, because most modern receivers are of a certain similar size, this means that they have to use a smaller form-factor transformer in order to fit it into the cabinet.

I betcha the Yamaha weighs about the same as the Denon, right? You can basically judge the "grunt" of a transformer by its weight - heavier ones have more grunt. I *definitely* buy my amps and such based at least partly upon their weight. All other things being equal (output wattage, freq. response, distortion figures, etc.), I will almost always opt for the heavier amp. More weight = bigger balls. Frankly, most of the receivers I have seen nowadays are gutless, decent enough for a small bedroom system but useless in a real home theater application. But most consumers are all caught up in making sure they get all of the latest bells and whistles instead of looking for good sound first. Hey, who gives a sh!t what it sounds like as long as we have 7 HDMI inputs and 15 DSP matrix modes, right?

Of course, the "heavy = good sound quality" formula kinda falls apart when looking at Class D amps. But, discounting amp failure, I doubt I will ever be in the market for a new amp anyway, my Butler is a lifetime keeper...I don' need no steenkin' digital amps, I gots toobz AND MOSFETs!!

And PG, it's spelled "chutzpah", but it's pronounced "hutzpah" with a bit of a guttural "h" sound. Goyische, sheesh!!

-RW- As Seinfeld said: "That's because he's MY Butler!"

[bootman]

Never noticed the 5150 in your sig before.



I always liked that amp. Drool.

Why doesn't Lonnie design a 5ch Emotiva Tube amp?

[Pauly]

"Hey, who gives a sh!t what it sounds like as long as we have 7 HDMI inputs and 15 DSP matrix modes, right?"

Haha, that was classic lol. Funny because it's true ;D

[Deleted]

BM (heh, heh!) wrote:

"Why doesn't Lonnie design a 5ch Emotiva Tube amp?"

Actually, it *would* be nice to see Emo take a stab at that. It would be very cool to have an Emo tube amp kicking out about 100 watts/ch. as long as the cost was less than $300/channel.

But that is a very difficult thing to achieve without Butler's proprietary topology. Using typical Class A or AB topologies, it is not practical (or affordable) to produce a 750 watt tube amp. The secret to the Butler is that the tubes are running at only 5% of their rated output. This means that they *never* need biasing and BK claims that they will last 25 years or more. This is truly the easiest tube amp to live with that has ever been made. It runs very cool and sounds *incredible*, I've never heard anything better - and I used to sell hi-end gear back in the day.

My Butler costs $3300 MSRP when I bought it. 'Course, I found a guy selling a BNIB unit for $1700 delivered to my door. I couldn't get my wallet out of my back pocket fast enough when I found that deal <g>!!

And the Butler looks very cool with its blue tubes shining thru. Mine is the black model, it matches my UMC-1 and Oppo 93 *perfectly*!!

-RW-

[G-Man]

Anybody selling another BNIB Butler 5150 for $1,700? I'll take a black one, thank you.

[Pauly]

You don't want that piece of junk.

[paintedklown]

May 24, 2012 14:39:19 GMT -5 @rlw said:

-RW- As Seinfeld said: "That's because he's MY Butler!"

This made me LOL. Completely reminds me of the episode where Kramer drops that Jr. Mint while they were watching a live surgery.

Jerry later says something to the effect of "Because it's a JUNIOR mint" ;D

That Butler certainly does look very sweet.

I would honestly LOVE to see Emotiva do a 2 ch. tube pre and amp. Even a good integrated would be cool with me.

Also, a nice solid state HP amp that was capable of driving low and high impedance HPs. I assume (possibly incorrectly) that this could be done, and possible have a switch on there to toggle between cans that are 4ohm-100ohm, 100ohm-200ohm, and 200ohm and up (or however the different ohm "classes" are divided up. I am VERY ignorant of HP amps and constantly wonder why there doesn't seem to be the XPA-1 of HP amps. You know, an amazing amp that can drive nearly anything attached to it, and remain dynamic, and musical all the while...

[Pauly]

If Emo gets into tube amps, I'll be filing for bankruptcy soon after lol.