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Post by walsh49 on Jun 3, 2012 17:54:05 GMT -5
Hi all...has anyone compared the sq between them? Considering umc-1 for it's tweaking as a prepro. Are the bass issues fixed yet?
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Post by wisconsinite on Jun 3, 2012 18:06:57 GMT -5
Hi all...has anyone compared the sq between them? Considering umc-1 for it's tweaking as a prepro. Are the bass issues fixed yet? If you like tweaking the UMC-1 is the tweakers dream ;D |
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Post by klinemj on Jun 3, 2012 18:40:46 GMT -5
Walsh49...welcome to the forum w/your 1st post.
To anwser you, I can't compare the UMC to that unit. As far as "bass issues"...if you mean, "regarding the issue of the UMC-1's bass sound...does the bass from the UMC sound great?"...well, that's not been fixed. It still sounds great.
If you are referring to "has Emotiva's choice in 'how' it approaches the UMC-1's bass management changed?". The answer is "no"...but, it sounds great...so, who really cares? Not me. Many have quibbled with this, but honestly - it sounds great. So really...who cares?
Buy it, enjoy it...if you can, that is. There might be some used units on the market soon once the XMC is shipping.
Mark
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Post by jlafrenz on Jun 3, 2012 19:50:24 GMT -5
Yamaha products have always sounded a bit bright to me. The Emo gear has a more full sound. These two things are going to be difficult to compare because you also have an amp section that you need to consider. It is only going to be an apples to apples comparison if you are using the Yamaha as a processor and connecting it to an external amp just as you would connect the UMC-1.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2012 23:58:49 GMT -5
I sold top-line Yamaha gear for several years - it was very well-built. Nonetheless, I never did like the Yamaha sound. I found it to be thin and bright. IMHO, the UMC-1 sounds much better...As did the Tandberg and NAD stuff I also sold.
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Post by Topend on Jun 4, 2012 1:00:21 GMT -5
I went from a Yamaha 3800 to the UMC-1. The UMC-1 is a clear winner in SQ and tweak ability.
Dave.
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Post by walsh49 on Jun 4, 2012 5:58:16 GMT -5
Thanks for all your replies...very helpful!
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Post by paintedklown on Jun 4, 2012 6:45:28 GMT -5
Hmmm, interesting comments regarding Yamaha receivers' sound being bright. I have a Yamaha RX-V667 that I use as a pre/pro, I also use a Cambridge Audio CD player that was considered to be bright in a review done by What Hi-Fi Sound & Vision. www.cambridgeaudio.com/assets/documents/WhatHi-FiAwards07340Clicensed.pdfOddly, it never occurred to me that these two components could be the true cause of my music quality frustration. For the past couple of years I have been blaming it on my B&Ws...Their strident highs have been a thorn in my side to be sure. Maybe, I need to look further up the signal chain before investing in new speakers. I just didn't think that swapping CD players and/or pre-amps had that much of an impact on the overall sound signature. Good info here guys. Thanks for the eye opening (and educational) information. Even though it wasn't directed at me, I can still read and learn. ;D |
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Post by ludi on Jun 4, 2012 14:03:38 GMT -5
I've used a Yamaha RX-V795 for many years and it sounded great, until I got the UMC-1 and the XPA-2. The Emotiva stuff is just quite a difference and better. Not a bad word about the Yamaha gear, it served me well for lots of years, but sometimes you just want something better.
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Post by unsound on Jun 7, 2012 17:36:43 GMT -5
I have a RX-V667 and just bought the UMC-1. I pretty much agree with what people have posted above in terms of SQ and tweakability. I did have one issue/question, though. The RX-V667 will send the HDMI signal through even if the RX isn't powered on. I can't seem to set that up on the UMC even with HDMI set to "pass-through". If someone could tell me if/how I can set that up, I'd be much obliged.
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Post by Topend on Jun 7, 2012 17:39:10 GMT -5
I have a RX-V667 and just bought the UMC-1. I pretty much agree with what people have posted above in terms of SQ and tweakability. I did have one issue/question, though. The RX-V667 will send the HDMI signal through even if the RX isn't powered on. I can't seem to set that up on the UMC even with HDMI set to "pass-through". If someone could tell me if/how I can set that up, I'd be much obliged. Even set to pass through the UMC-1 needs to be switched on. Dave. |
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Post by wisconsinite on Jun 7, 2012 17:39:27 GMT -5
I have a RX-V667 and just bought the UMC-1. I pretty much agree with what people have posted above in terms of SQ and tweakability. I did have one issue/question, though. The RX-V667 will send the HDMI signal through even if the RX isn't powered on. I can't seem to set that up on the UMC even with HDMI set to "pass-through". If someone could tell me if/how I can set that up, I'd be much obliged. Cant be done |
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Post by paintedklown on Jun 7, 2012 17:49:49 GMT -5
I have a RX-V667 and just bought the UMC-1. I pretty much agree with what people have posted above in terms of SQ and tweakability. I did have one issue/question, though. The RX-V667 will send the HDMI signal through even if the RX isn't powered on. I can't seem to set that up on the UMC even with HDMI set to "pass-through". If someone could tell me if/how I can set that up, I'd be much obliged. When you get yourself familiarized with the sound of the UMC-1, I would love to hear your thoughts about how it compares with the V667.  I have always considered the V667 great for movies, but it does leave me wanting in the music department. I was unaware that these were considered to be bright, though, and if they really are fairly bright, that would explain a lot in regards to the sound I am getting. I would be interested in hearing how the UMC-1 compares directly to this unit, especially when it comes to music reproduction. |
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Post by unsound on Jun 7, 2012 17:54:50 GMT -5
I was afraid that was the case as the manual says the video signal must pass through the video engine. So, let me pose the original problem to see if there's a different way of doing what I want. I have a laptop (HDMI out), a monitor (2 HDMI in) and the UMC. I would like to connect my laptop to my monitor via HDMI (all day) and also play music from my laptop through the UMC (2-3 hours a day). If the HDMI pass-through worked I'd keep the UMC off until I needed to listen to music. Now, it looks like my option is to have the following:
1. HDMI cable from laptop to HDMI input1 in monitor
2. HDMI cable from UMC to HDMI input2 in monitor
3. HDMI cable from laptop to UMC which is to remain unplugged on the laptop side until I want to listen to music.
It'll work, but is not as "elegant" as the pass-through solution. Any other solutions. And no, I don't have the XDA-1 or another DAC to plug USB into.
Thanks!
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Post by paintedklown on Jun 7, 2012 18:00:09 GMT -5
I was afraid that was the case as the manual says the video signal must pass through the video engine. So, let me pose the original problem to see if there's a different way of doing what I want. I have a laptop (HDMI out), a monitor (2 HDMI in) and the UMC. I would like to connect my laptop to my monitor via HDMI (all day) and also play music from my laptop through the UMC (2-3 hours a day). If the HDMI pass-through worked I'd keep the UMC off until I needed to listen to music. Now, it looks like my option is to have the following: 1. HDMI cable from laptop to HDMI input1 in monitor 2. HDMI cable from UMC to HDMI input2 in monitor 3. HDMI cable from laptop to UMC which is to remain unplugged on the laptop side until I want to listen to music. It'll work, but is not as "elegant" as the pass-through solution. Any other solutions. And no, I don't have the XDA-1 or another DAC to plug USB into. Thanks! As another option, could you get an HDMI splitter from the laptop output, and run one cable to the UMC and the other directly to your monitor. Just a thought...good luck with whatever you choose. |
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Post by unsound on Jun 7, 2012 18:10:35 GMT -5
When you get yourself familiarized with the sound of the UMC-1, I would love to hear your thoughts about how it compares with the V667. I have always considered the V667 great for movies, but it does leave me wanting in the music department. I was unaware that these were considered to be bright, though, and if they really are fairly bright, that would explain a lot in regards to the sound I am getting. I would be interested in hearing how the UMC-1 compares directly to this unit, especially when it comes to music reproduction. Absolutely, I would like to do that myself! Right now the two of them are in different rooms and powering different speakers - the UMC is running Wharfedale Evo2-8s and the Yammy is powering RC-10s. So, when I get some time I will do an apples/apples comparison between the two. |
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Post by paintedklown on Jun 7, 2012 18:12:05 GMT -5
When you get yourself familiarized with the sound of the UMC-1, I would love to hear your thoughts about how it compares with the V667. I have always considered the V667 great for movies, but it does leave me wanting in the music department. I was unaware that these were considered to be bright, though, and if they really are fairly bright, that would explain a lot in regards to the sound I am getting. I would be interested in hearing how the UMC-1 compares directly to this unit, especially when it comes to music reproduction. Absolutely, I would like to do that myself! Right now the two of them are in different rooms and powering different speakers - the UMC is running Wharfedale Evo2-8s and the Yammy is powering RC-10s. So, when I get some time I will do an apples/apples comparison between the two. Awesome! I will be looking forward to it. |
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Post by unsound on Jun 11, 2012 12:57:26 GMT -5
As another option, could you get an HDMI splitter from the laptop output, and run one cable to the UMC and the other directly to your monitor. Just a thought...good luck with whatever you choose. Newegg had the WD TV Live on sale for $79 today, so I went with that! Looks like it can handle several audio formats including FLAC which most of my music files are. It has middling reviews, but should be fine for my basic use. |
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Post by The Mad Norseman on Jul 17, 2012 21:43:42 GMT -5
The UMC-1 will likely have a better overall sound than your RX-V665 does. But its been my experiance that Yamaha AVRs fall into TWO distinct groups - Yamaha's lower AVR line, and their higher end line, and there IS a noticeable difference. Example, I used to have an RX-V863 (the top of their lower 2008 line), but its amps always struck me as weak, and the sound thin, and bass not very good. I switched to the RX-V1900 (their 2008 higher end line), and the sound quality difference was very noticeable. MUCH better sound on all fronts. A peak inside the top of each revealed much better components in the RX-V1900 & 3900, than in the '863 on down down. (This comparision was made with all other components, etc. being equal). So I wouldn't lump them all in together as there ARE SQ differences! Yamaha's newer 'Aventage' line of AVRs (their current top line) has always gotten rave reviews for sound quality and amplifier prowess. But the Emo UMC-1 should be a step above both...go for it! |
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Post by walsh49 on Jul 18, 2012 3:18:16 GMT -5
Thanks Norseman....still have not pulled trigger on this because i keep reading issues on this unit. My rx-665 just works without dropouts ..volume changes.. etc.
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