V.A.T. and duty collection

[aquarius]

Hello all,

Search beeing... erratic :/, I start a new thread on a question I'm sure has been already asked a bazillion times:

Can someone in Europe (idealy France) give some feedback on how much duty FedEx asks us to pay before delivering an Emotiva product? I know I have a huge 20% VAT, but don't know much about other fees.

I know they add some extorsion fees to the legal taxes, but how much does that make, all in all ? (as a percentage of the gear's base cost ?). I've had to deal with DHL's terrible service once or twice (100€ added to a 350€ product, product lost, took 2 months to get a replacement delivered)

The question would apply for a XPA2 (800$) and/or a UPA200 (350$), but I guess the fee would be a fraction of the base cost.

Thank you for your feedback!

Olivier

[geertm]

Fedex not only has to pay the 20% VAT for you, they will also have to pay the customs duty.
You pay a small amount for that service, but as far as I can remember this was not a large amount.

According to the recent podcast, the plans for an European distribution center in Rotterdam are almost finalized. So if you do not need your equipment immediately, perhaps it would be a good idea to wait for this.

[mikyss]

I think you are happy and you don´t know.

In my country (Brazil) this is 80% over the (price+freight)...

[bobbyt]

Do the patriotic thing and have someone ship it to you. The last thing Europeans should be doing is enabling the politicians that drove them to bankruptcy.

[aquarius]

Jul 3, 2012 16:22:36 GMT -5 geertm said:

Fedex not only has to pay the 20% VAT for you, they will also have to pay the customs duty.
You pay a small amount for that service, but as far as I can remember this was not a large amount.

According to the recent podcast, the plans for an European distribution center in Rotterdam are almost finalized. So if you do not need your equipment immediately, perhaps it would be a good idea to wait for this.

Thanks for this answer. Yeah I heard about the European thing beeing set up, but I fear a price increase (a reseller has to make a living to).

Well ok, thanks, maybe we'll get this sorted out in a couple of weeks/months along wih the new gear. I might go for the XPA-200 if it's in the sweet spot between the XPA-2 and the UPA-200.
(sorry for the off-topic part)

[zerafa]

take a vacation in the use, and just bring some goodies home.

i have carried stuff on several business trips, mostly to malaysia, nigeria, korea, UK and netherlands.

i have also shipped stuff back to my house in the UK and avoided taxes. or shipped to family members as wrapped presents.

[aquarius]

Jul 4, 2012 7:47:15 GMT -5 zerafa said:

take a vacation in the use, and just bring some goodies home.

i have carried stuff on several business trips, mostly to malaysia, nigeria, korea, UK and netherlands.

i have also shipped stuff back to my house in the UK and avoided taxes. or shipped to family members as wrapped presents.

yeah, that was also a thought, but that means:
- having vacations
- beeing able to afford a trip to there (+ wife and baby)
so... that requires some planning

[swedane]

I just listened to the latest Pod cast yesterday and apparently the opening of Emotiva Europe is just around the corner!

I for one is going to wait to see the prices Emotiva will manage here in Europe.
Shipping from the warehouse in Holland and to me in Sweden can´t be that bad.

Regards

[ausman]

myguess would be in the region 80-160 euro's for vat and stamp duty on the xpa-2
36-72 euros for the upa-200

freight will vary in price..

last i checked fedex is emo's main shipper, dhl and other shippers will vary in prices...

keep an eye o theeuro to USD for cost shipping wil vary

[swedane]

Hi
I don´t know what companies you have in France that will help you with imports from USA.
In Denmark and Sweden we have a few. The best known is ShopUsa.com.
If I use them I will have to pay approx 1,5 times the price in USA. That fee will cover transport + VAT + customs.

I Denmark and Sweden we have 25% VAT (I know that it is less in France) so I will guess that you can make the import a little cheaper to France.

Regards

[aquarius]

THanks for this ! I didn't know about them. They don't do France, but I'm sure I can find something equivalent.

I'm a little afraid to try to bring the thing back with me on a plane trip. I KNOW how airport staff handle luggage and that scares the s**t out of me.

I guess I'll be bidding my time waiting for the xpa-200 and the European branch.

Jul 8, 2012 8:13:17 GMT -5 swedane said:

Hi
I don´t know what companies you have in France that will help you with imports from USA.
In Denmark and Sweden we have a few. The best known is ShopUsa.com.
If I use them I will have to pay approx 1,5 times the price in USA. That fee will cover transport + VAT + customs.

I Denmark and Sweden we have 25% VAT (I know that it is less in France) so I will guess that you can make the import a little cheaper to France.

Regards

[swedane]

Hi Aquarius
I would wait if I were you (I know that I will wait)
When the warehouse opens in Holland it will also be much easier for you to make return a product if you don´t like it (not that I think that will happen!)

Regards

[corbaatje]

Jul 9, 2012 14:05:38 GMT -5 swedane said:

Hi Aquarius
I would wait if I were you (I know that I will wait)
When the warehouse opens in Holland it will also be much easier for you to make return a product if you don´t like it (not that I think that will happen!)

Regards

I hope Emotiva will not be like a lot off other US based companies and make from the $-€ and refuse to ship from the US anymore.
I have faith Emotiva will not be that kind off a company.

[aquarius]

Jul 11, 2012 17:13:05 GMT -5 corbaatje said:

I hope Emotiva will not be like a lot off other US based companies and make from the $-€ and refuse to ship from the US anymore.
I have faith Emotiva will not be that kind off a company.

Frankly, that's what the shipping + VAT already does: converting $ into €. So if they say "look we now ship from the Netherlands and the price is the one you know, except it's €", then that's ok with me. It's already a tremendous value for my money if (for exemple) I end up buying an xpa-2 for 800€.

[Erwin.BE]

I didn't see this before since I usualy don't look at this part of the board... But I want to add my experience anyway.

I am in Belgium, which is almost a province of France in many (economic) ways, so close enough. VAT is 21% here.

First, you need to mail Emotiva Sales for a quote of the freight. I recently ordered XDA-1+airmotiv5 which was $144 freight. I just ordered a XPR-5 which is $251 freight. Add this to the cost of the goods. The total is the base for duties+VAT. Duties+VAT come to 30%, give or take.

formula: (Emodevice+freight)*1.3 = doorstep price ($) in europe.

Then it's the $/euro conversion that comes into play. When the euro was introduced (2001), it was $1=1euro. The euro quickly fell to 0.85 dollar/euro but a few years ago (when I bought XPA-1 pair + ERC-1), it raised to 1.45 dollar/euro ;D
Today, the euro is falling again: 1.22 $/euro
If you didn't reside on Mars lately, you know what will happen next: EU will "print" money in an attempt to drown the depts from Spain and Italy (forget Greece and Portugal, they're not significant enough). My guess is the euro could drop 15 to 20 points vs USD. Yes, this indeed means all Emotiva products will raise accordingly in euro prices. That's why I ordered the XPR-5 now, even if the HT will not be finished for at least 6 months.

Anyone hoping that the Dutch branch will lower the prices vs individually shipping from USA may see it's not the case. Sure, shipping within EU is cheaper, but only if the goods ship straight from China and not via Tennessee. I believe duties are still due (to be included in the advertised price) and (dutch) VAT certainly so. VAT is 19% in Holland. And you need to add the cost of the facilities and personel.

The main advantage in the Dutch branch would be in case of needing the warranty.

[bobbyt]

20+% sales tax after paying the politicians 50% of your income?

And the Nanny States are still bankrupt? Must need more of the same. 66% income tax and 30% sales will finally be enough.

Or you guys could have a revolution...

[Erwin.BE]

Jul 26, 2012 7:30:48 GMT -5 bobbyt said:

20+% sales tax after paying the politicians 50% of your income?

And the Nanny States are still bankrupt? Must need more of the same. 66% income tax and 30% sales will finally be enough.

Or you guys could have a revolution...

Please don't get me started! Petrol is now 1.65 euro/liter or so (not sure, I always keep my eyes closed when filling up the Z4..). Not only did our (tasteless) banks lent out our savings to Greece etc because the intrest rate they were supposed to get was very high (duh! why would that be the case) but we Flemish Belgians are simply paying for the deficits the socialist politicians in the south part (=french spoken) of Belgium (and Brussels) keep on piling up... But now a conservative Nationalist party (NVA) just might do the trick next federal election ( June 2014) and maybe that will be the end of Belgium as we know it. A confederation is the best the francophones can hope for. If they're interested of course since a confederation means each state has to earn his own keep. Export per capita is 2.5 times higher in Flanders vs the others... Wallonia is a economic graveyard. Only some phamaceutical industry south of Brussels is thriving, but that's about it.

[aquarius]

I'm sure there's a part of this forum dedicated to dumb, clueless, racist, political statements. You might want to refer to it. And why not try to talk about emotiva international here instead ?

For what it's worth, people like me here earning a good bit more than average still only pay a lot less than 10% of my income. That's for your "50%" thing. (the guy complaining about the cost of gaz for a Z4 has issues, too...)

[bobbyt]

Jul 30, 2012 2:48:46 GMT -5 aquarius said:

I'm sure there's a part of this forum dedicated to dumb, clueless, racist, political statements. You might want to refer to it. And why not try to talk about emotiva international here instead ?

For what it's worth, people like me here earning a good bit more than average still only pay a lot less than 10% of my income. That's for your "50%" thing. (the guy complaining about the cost of gaz for a Z4 has issues, too...)

So...confiscating half someone's yearly earnings is ok, as long as you're on the receiving end?

Putting aside silly issues like right and wrong, remember that for everyone more productive than you you'd love to see robbed blind, there are ten more people looking at your modest lifestyle with envy. And they'll just as gladly pretend to believe any politician who says you didn't earn it and don't deserve it.

That's how the US becomes Western Europe, and Western Europe becomes Southern Europe, and Southern Europe becomes Haiti. Eastern Europe had to go through decades of grinding socialist poverty and famine to start rediscovering individual sovereignty...

[aquarius]

Jul 30, 2012 4:29:58 GMT -5 bobbyt said:

So...confiscating half someone's yearly earnings is ok, as long as you're on the receiving end?

Putting aside silly issues like right and wrong, remember that for everyone more productive than you you'd love to see robbed blind, there are ten more people looking at your modest lifestyle with envy. And they'll just as gladly pretend to believe any politician who says you didn't earn it and don't deserve it.

That's how the US becomes Western Europe, and Western Europe becomes Southern Europe, and Southern Europe becomes Haiti. Eastern Europe had to go through decades of grinding socialist poverty and famine to start rediscovering individual sovereignty...

Ha... i guess I shouldn't have started answering to a troll anyway. My bad.
There's a ****load of difference between individual sovereignity (wich is about freedom, choice, ...) and selfishness (wich is what you're talking about).
And yes, giving up half of what you earn is **good** when you earn 100 times the average. Wether it's me or not me is irrelevant. (I pay a lot more taxes than I benefit). It benefits society far more than letting the rich guy drive companies to the ground by investing for profit only. ... so, no, thank you, I won't "put aside" right and wrong.

(but we're moving far far away from Emotiva and their international branch there, are we no ?)