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Post by zaphod2012 on Sept 5, 2012 19:26:29 GMT -5
pdaddy,
maybe i'm a perfect person to answer some of those questions. I have MMGW's, MC1's and Mini Maggies. I have also owned MG1's. I choe between MC1's and 1.7's for rears on my main system, and between Mini Maggies and MC1's for my bedroom system.
the MMG's are the oldest and simpliest planar panel technology, a magnetic planar and 1 1/4 inch quasi ribbon(50-24khz), 1.7 quasi ribbons(40-24khz) and mini maggies(advanced magnetic planar and true ribbon). Basically the new mannetic planar panels are 1/2 the weight of the older technology ones, so with the better crossovers and lighter weoght they are faster, less coloured and integrate better, that simple, and yes you hear a big difference. Reason i didn't go for the 1.7's is as rears they are overkill, have a floor footprint(my MC1's hang on the wall). My other maggies are the MMGW's and i use those as rears in my bedroom. The MC1's as rears are faster, more detailed, smoother and less coloured. Would i spend the extra for the 1.7's, as mains, no contest and if you ever hear them side by side you will always regret not getting the 1.7's, which many will argue are better than the old 3.6's. As for amps, they do like power, especially older maggies and can sound flat at low volume, so some of the Emotiva amps here will DO JUST NICELY
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2012 19:28:05 GMT -5
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Post by pdaddy on Sept 5, 2012 19:57:00 GMT -5
thx zaphod and Matt!
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Post by zaphod2012 on Sept 5, 2012 20:04:51 GMT -5
i drive them with MF HT600's and have driven them with WYRED4SOUND ST500's. I had driven then with a Sony receiver, dissappointing(120watts x2), then an Elite SC07, again disappointing, not sure ii totally like the ICE sound, hence why i am looking at trying the Emotiva's vs Wyred4sSound, make no mistake the Wyred4Sound are nice they blow the Elite away, the Elite just lacked something .. no boogie factor and when the maggies boogie they boogie
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Post by tireddad on Sept 5, 2012 20:51:06 GMT -5
I agree with Zaphod2012.
As a former owner of the MGIIb's (and even repaired a couple of pair - it was not that hard to do), the MMGs, and with a friend with the 1.6's, I think the progression of the sound of the Maggies has been a more open airy upper midrange and high end, with the same (slightly improved) Maggie bass. Once you know Maggie bass, you will never forget it.
The 1.6, 1.7's are on a whole different level than the MMG's.
That being said, if I had only listened to the MMG's I would love them. They do so many things other speakers cannot do.
If you can find a used pair of 1.6's or 1.7's for a price anywhere close to the MMG's, consider jumping at them. If not, enjoy the MMG's. They too are very enjoyable. Happy listening.
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Post by pdaddy on Sept 6, 2012 7:23:28 GMT -5
pdaddy, how big is the room you will be using the speakers in? Treated? reflective surfaces? I've owned both so I can give you some input. neekos My room initially will be REALLY small. Like 11x11.5. Eventually I will finish the man cave in the basement and it will be 17x14. This is why I was thinking, get the MMG's now for the small room and when I move it all to the man cave upgrade to the 1.7's. This is just the plan on paper until I get outo to my local dealer to hear them both, also keeping in mind that for now I will ONLY have a Yaqin MS 20L tube amp with 50wpc to drive whatever I get. I look forward to your feedback. |
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Post by paintedklown on Sept 6, 2012 12:43:18 GMT -5
I will ONLY have a Yaqin MS 20L tube amp with 50wpc to drive whatever I get. Cool amp.  I seem to read a lot of good stuff about Yaqin gear, their tube buffer is easily the one I see recommended the most. I would be very interested in hearing your opinion regarding your amp, if you don't mind. On topic, I think you have a good plan regarding the Magnepans. I just bought a set of MMGs and they are getting broken in now, seemingly sounding a bit better every day. I haven't had much time to do a lot of critical listening with them yet, but yesterday I had a chance to blast them for a short while. Today I have done quite a bit of listening at moderate levels, and I am really liking what I am hearing. More critical listening to come later today...I hope.  |
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Post by jmasterj on Sept 6, 2012 13:07:14 GMT -5
This is my third pair Maggies, had MMG's upgraded to QR12's they were stolen so I started over with MMG's again I love them. In my listening room with the BADA DC-222 hybrid amp w190 watts into 4ohms they really sing. When I had the QR12's I owned a Outlaw RR2150 receiver and a Yakin tube buffer. I think the MMG's with the BADA and a Grant Fidelity B-283 tube buffer sound better I should mention the ERC-1 is a big upgrade over the Blu-ray disc player I was using with the Outlaw 2150. I plan to keep the MMG's forever, but for Christmas I'm buying some Tekton Design M-Lore's another unique type speaker around $650 a pair so I can compare them to the MMG'S. I also want some Golden Ear Technology Triton Three's. Get the MMG's keep them for a while then decide.
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Post by pdaddy on Sept 6, 2012 20:24:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the continued feedback. KEEP IT COMING.
jmasterj-I just sold my Zu Audio Omens and was VERY close to buying M-Lore's or Model Lore's. The reviews have been great and I called Eric A and talked with him for a while about the difference amongst the speaker line. I'd love to try the Pendragon's if I had the dough. Having a 50 watt tube amp, the high efficiency speakers were my focus for a while. However, I remembered my MMG's from a few years back and missed that sound. I have an old Klipsch Sub12 that I can pair them with to bring the bass when I need it.
paintedklown-I love the sound of my Yaqin so far. I rolled the tubes right out of the gate to a whole set of Electro Harmonics from someone on eBay that was selling them as the "Yaqin MS 20L complete set. So far so good, but we'll see if it can handle MMG's.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 17:27:17 GMT -5
pdaddy, how big is the room you will be using the speakers in? Treated? reflective surfaces? I've owned both so I can give you some input. neekos My room initially will be REALLY small. Like 11x11.5. Eventually I will finish the man cave in the basement and it will be 17x14. This is why I was thinking, get the MMG's now for the small room and when I move it all to the man cave upgrade to the 1.7's. This is just the plan on paper until I get outo to my local dealer to hear them both, also keeping in mind that for now I will ONLY have a Yaqin MS 20L tube amp with 50wpc to drive whatever I get. I look forward to your feedback. If it was me, I'd go with the MMG's for that size room. I had them in a treated 17x18 room and compared them to the 1.7's. The MMG's can hold their own. The 1.7's really open up at mid to higher volumes and demonstrate more nuances and better articulation. Bass is also better. I think you would be pushing it with that size room for the 1.7's. They need space to perform their best. I can guarantee you that if you set up the MMG's properly and feed them plenty of juice, they will impress you. The 50wpc will work ok, but Maggies just love power. |
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Post by rclark on Sept 7, 2012 17:32:50 GMT -5
Modded, I gave them 400 watts and they just ate it up.. I actually had about 50 watts on them, a grunty amp with high current 24v SLA batteries, and even then they just come alive with even better, and more power. Maggies truly reveal the quality of your amp. If there is one speaker that can show you the differences between amps, these are it.
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Post by GreenKiwi on Sept 7, 2012 18:34:43 GMT -5
I wonder whether the 1.7s are actually nicer on amps than the MMGs, since they have more surface area, the amp doesn't have to try to move the film as far to create the same amount of air movement.
I think that the 1.7s will probably be about the same as the MMGs in that space. One alternative in a space like that might be the MC1s.
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Post by pdaddy on Sept 8, 2012 6:14:16 GMT -5
News Flash. Just came across a pair of 2.7 QR's on craigslist. Thoughts?
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Post by jackfish on Sept 9, 2012 7:21:54 GMT -5
If they are in good condition (no delamination) and under $1000, grab them. Talk to P Gunn about how they sound when "Gunned". Ultimately, going that route for $3,000 you would have loudspeakers that rival those which cost over $50,000. Seriously.
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Post by jmasterj on Sept 12, 2012 12:30:14 GMT -5
How much will the cost be to modify my MMG's to Magnestands ? Anybody ?
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Post by jackfish on Sept 12, 2012 14:05:18 GMT -5
$1,725, plus wood which ranges from $185 to $338, and shipping both ways, about $90.
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Post by GreenKiwi on Sept 12, 2012 15:53:35 GMT -5
So about $2-2200 or so.
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Post by jmasterj on Sept 13, 2012 12:47:33 GMT -5
Thanks ! Maybe after I get a second pair of speakers so I'll have something to listen to while the Maggies are gone I'll be able to look into the mod.
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Post by lbeckman on Oct 6, 2012 12:01:12 GMT -5
I own Magnepan 1.7s - and think they have a fantastic sound. I was originally using two channels from my Emotiva UPA-7 - 7 channel power amp (125 WPC - 185 WPC into 4 ohms) - the sound was ok. This week I received my Emo XPA-2 power amp (500 WPC into 4 ohms) - connected to the Magnepan 1.7s - and wow what a sound difference. The bass was much stronger and tighter - high frequencies were clearer. What am I trying to say? These speakers require an amplifier with very high current - capable of driving low impedance (1.7s are rated at 4 ohm) - the XPA-2 is a fantastic match - very impressed.
If you want to get the additional bass out of these speakers you will require a high current amplifier.
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Post by pdaddy on Oct 9, 2012 14:40:13 GMT -5
XPA-2 now driving the 2.7's and yes they needed it. Now I need to figure out whether I can afford to use my XDA-1 to control the volume as I have heard anything less than the setting of 80 actually reduces audio resolution. I will post that question in All things Stereo to be sure I recall correctly.
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