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Post by buggs1a on Jan 18, 2013 5:23:26 GMT -5
Thanks guys.
I don't run calibration nor Dolby vol etc. all settings are default except the standard small setting.
I'm really sad and bummed because I'm even having we second thought about keeping the marantz sr7007.
Emotiva emailed me telling me their amps won't sound better. They will just amplify. Makes things louder. And that's the job of a proper amp. Well then I don't want a proper amp lol. Meaning I can't buy new speakers yet. Years away.
My speaker placement is t perfect but all I can do. On the shelf a couple inches from the wall behind it and several feet away from the side walls. For in is about as close as I can get I guess. I'd take pictures but no way to attach them via my iPod.
I'm really depressed about All this.
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Post by remo on Jan 18, 2013 6:57:35 GMT -5
Thanks guys. I don't run calibration nor Dolby vol etc. all settings are default except the standard small setting. I'm really sad and bummed because I'm even having we second thought about keeping the marantz sr7007. Emotiva emailed me telling me their amps won't sound better. They will just amplify. Makes things louder. And that's the job of a proper amp. Well then I don't want a proper amp lol. Meaning I can't buy new speakers yet. Years away. My speaker placement is t perfect but all I can do. On the shelf a couple inches from the wall behind it and several feet away from the side walls. For in is about as close as I can get I guess. I'd take pictures but no way to attach them via my iPod. I'm really depressed about All this. Thats your biggest mistake |
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Post by buggs1a on Jan 18, 2013 7:02:07 GMT -5
No it's not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 7:40:38 GMT -5
I agree with Emo it is a fatal flaw you have. Calibration is the only way to make sure your speakers are setup correctly. no one can do it by ear alone. I highly suggest you calibrate it using audyssey or the like or at the very least use an spl meter. then you will start to hear your true speakers come out
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Post by audiohead on Jan 18, 2013 7:57:09 GMT -5
In my set up my Onkyo NR818 outputs 135 watts into "Two Channels" I would bet into 5 channels it would be more like 55 to 70 something tops.When I first got this unit I was going too let the Onkyo drive the center and surrounds and my speakers are 4 ohms let my UPA-1's drive the mains and sell off my XPA-5 too my Son since he has been after it ever since I got it.Well long story short the "amp"or amps in the NR818 Did Not have the Dynamic swing much less the Punch the XPA-5 has. I did an A/B on moves and in two channel music with both.Now I can say that on My unit"Onkyo" if some of the settings are Not set right?It can suck the life out of my speakers.OP check "Everything" and all setting on your Onkyo that is one of the better Pre's that one can buy.A clean sounding amp is a clean sounding amp be it 100 watts or 200 watts. Go over your settings cause for Me,the only way I would ever give up my XPA-5 is if I died and "Will" it too someone.
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Post by buggs1a on Jan 18, 2013 8:12:08 GMT -5
My speakers were set good with levels etc but that doesn't make a difference in the sound. Only levels and the like since you still use the same speakers.
Anyway I'm trying the marantz 7007 and don't like that you can't see what the input signal is such as video and audio.
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Post by tme110 on Jan 18, 2013 9:02:21 GMT -5
Well, after a large delay I finally got my XPA-5 last night. I pulled it out, plugged it in and ran my Oppo 105 directly to the XPA-5 and was watching a movie a few minutes later. I loved it. I sold my AVR to make room for the XMC-1 if it ever comes out but I may not even bother now. I had a cheaper Marantz AVR so I'm not in the same situation as the OP but the sound now is pretty great. If fact, I have new speakers on order too because I was never happy with my sound for music (for HT it was great) but I was enjoying my speakers listening to music for the first time ever last night. I'm sure it will be much better once the new speakers come but I did think for a second about cancelling the order.
Though the amp is so large my whole room looks different now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 9:31:45 GMT -5
My speakers were set good with levels etc but that doesn't make a difference in the sound. Only levels and the like since you still use the same speakers. Anyway I'm trying the marantz 7007 and don't like that you can't see what the input signal is such as video and audio. this is very inaccurate. if the levels are not equal and balanced then imaging, soundstage and clarity will be off. sine one or more speakers amybe louder drowning out the info sent to the other channels. I do believe you are not getting the point of most of the advice here nor are willing to try it out. It seems as though you are experiencing some sort of reverse placebo effect. You were so scared you wouldn't hear a difference you actually aren't hearing a difference (which is fine it is after all your money and your happiness not ours) I also feel you are not willing to try things to correct the flaws in your system, but that is your choice. I highly doubt you need to spend 6k to achieve better sound....but again YMMV. good luck with whatever you decide, I do really hope you find the sound you are looking for ....as I now have it and it is awesome! |
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Post by buggs1a on Jan 18, 2013 9:51:19 GMT -5
Or that people don't understand what I mean when I say calibration doesn't change sound. I know it does but I'm referring to something different. I don't know how to put into words what I mean.
My system is fine but was hoping to get better sound from the amp. Emotiva themselves even said that won't happen.
And no one can possibly know my taste. So to say you highly doubt ill have to spend $6k is wrong. No one knows me or my mental disabilities or taste etc. with my OCD and other stuff I'm a perfectionist in some areas. And the speakers I have heard I know the cost will be great to kind of like be the speakers I'd settle on for life.
That's also what I'm trying to do now with AVR. Anyway I'm done here specially since I am not wanting to be off topic and I'm sending the amp back anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 9:56:52 GMT -5
ok, sorry I didnt mean to offend you. I was just referring to there being tons of options of speakers that are below 6k. good luck in your search  |
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Post by buggs1a on Jan 18, 2013 10:55:50 GMT -5
I'm not offended. I'm sorry too because my emotions came out in my words. Hug. Friendly.
I'm returning the marantz sr7007 too. It didn't tell me things I need to know about source input and another issue. I'm returning the amp too. Both boxed up already.
I just feel bad. I have OCD and anxiety and some other mental issues. I love home theater big time. So I'm bummed cus I'm trying to upgrade but don't know what to do.
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Post by hemster on Jan 18, 2013 11:07:04 GMT -5
Can I offer a suggestion? How about you sit down with a clear mind and make a list of all the things you're not happy about with your current setup. Once you have that, rank the list in order of importance. Then look at your budget and see how many you can solve by prudent component selection, etc.. I hope his helps you prioritize your upgrade. Good luck and don't forget.. we're here to help you along in the process, so don't be shy! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 12:08:02 GMT -5
Can I offer a suggestion? How about you sit down with a clear mind and make a list of all the things you're not happy about with your current setup. Once you have that, rank the list in order of importance. Then look at your budget and see how many you can solve by prudent component selection, etc.. I hope his helps you prioritize your upgrade. Good luck and don't forget.. we're here to help you along in the process, so don't be shy! Gotta LOVE the lounge!! |
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Post by The Mad Norseman on Jan 18, 2013 13:57:21 GMT -5
I'm not offended. I'm sorry too because my emotions came out in my words. Hug. Friendly. I'm returning the marantz sr7007 too. It didn't tell me things I need to know about source input and another issue. I'm returning the amp too. Both boxed up already. I just feel bad. I have OCD and anxiety and some other mental issues. I love home theater big time. So I'm bummed cus I'm trying to upgrade but don't know what to do. You'll evenually get there just fine - take Hemster's advice, and just go slowly. Be deliberate and studious about each step. Good luck! |
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Post by garbulky on Jan 18, 2013 14:20:47 GMT -5
I'm sorry about your situation. I understand the difficulty of moving things but if your speakers are on an enclosed shelf a couple of inches away from the wall and what appears to be improperly positioned due to your constraints, then very little else is going to make a difference. I've been able to improve my sound from lifeless dull muddy and imprecise sounding like it's coming out of a box to a large precise soundstage with the speakers nearly dissapearing and voices simply hovering in the air by making changes of a foot or two and by moving an inch or two of toe in. More importantly poorer sounding amplifiers actually can sound better in poorly positioned setups because they can sound so muddy that they hide the flaws of poor speaker setups etc. and sound better on content with poor dynamic range or where the reciever is limiting dynamic range using dynamic range control. On songs with poor dynamic range my speakers sound awful. I can't stand to listen to it when on a cheaper setup I didn't find anything wrong mainly because it sounded like it was loud as the amps were maxing themselves out distorting. Do check your dynamic range settings - it';s not just called dolby volume. They can completely rob the lifelike quality of music. Also like people have mentioned calibration can do very strange things with a new amp. Your new amp has a high gain circuitry. So do try to recalibrate it and then see. All you'll waste is time right? Emotiva may say their amps wont make a difference because they don't want to bother setting up your system for you - that's your job. But their amps are really good quality and in my system they've made very significant differences. I haven't heard another setup that's better - though I know they are out there. Once again, it sucks to be dissapointed with such a big purchase. Maybe a photo would be helpful if you can show us. I say all this because it costs money to ship these things back. It's your money so why not take some further effort to see if the amplifier is not worth keeping first is my suggestion. |
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Post by Lonnie on Jan 18, 2013 14:49:48 GMT -5
Thanks guys. I don't run calibration nor Dolby vol etc. all settings are default except the standard small setting. I'm really sad and bummed because I'm even having we second thought about keeping the marantz sr7007. Emotiva emailed me telling me their amps won't sound better. They will just amplify. Makes things louder. And that's the job of a proper amp. Well then I don't want a proper amp lol. Meaning I can't buy new speakers yet. Years away. My speaker placement is t perfect but all I can do. On the shelf a couple inches from the wall behind it and several feet away from the side walls. For in is about as close as I can get I guess. I'd take pictures but no way to attach them via my iPod. I'm really depressed about All this. Just to clarify something here. I didn't say that the amps wouldn't sound better. What I said in the reply was that a properly designed amplifier will not alter or color the sound in anyway other than to increase the voltage and current output. So what comes in gets multiplied X number of times and sent out. If your system does not sound correct then modifications to the signal should be done ahead of the amp. Just wanted to clarify that. Thanks, Lonnie |
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Post by geebo on Jan 18, 2013 14:52:21 GMT -5
Thanks guys. I don't run calibration nor Dolby vol etc. all settings are default except the standard small setting. I'm really sad and bummed because I'm even having we second thought about keeping the marantz sr7007. Emotiva emailed me telling me their amps won't sound better. They will just amplify. Makes things louder. And that's the job of a proper amp. Well then I don't want a proper amp lol. Meaning I can't buy new speakers yet. Years away. My speaker placement is t perfect but all I can do. On the shelf a couple inches from the wall behind it and several feet away from the side walls. For in is about as close as I can get I guess. I'd take pictures but no way to attach them via my iPod. I'm really depressed about All this. Just to clarify something here. I didn't say that the amps wouldn't sound better. What I said in the reply was that a properly designed amplifier will not alter or color the sound in anyway other than to increase the voltage and current output. So what comes in gets multiplied X number of times and sent out. If your system does not sound correct then modifications to the signal should be done ahead of the amp. Just wanted to clarify that. Thanks, Lonnie I kinda thought there was more to it... |
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Post by creimes on Jan 18, 2013 15:18:36 GMT -5
For me I originally had Mac Mini as a source running lossless audio connected to my Yamaha via digital optical and from Yamaha out to my Monitor Audio RX6 towers which was okay "I thought", when I added my UPA-1's to power my towers I had an immediate improvement in Dynamics, depth and size of soundstage where I was hearing things in the music I did not hear with the amplifier stage in my Yamaha, it will be different for everyone in what they hear and what needs to be changed in their system, for me I had good source material and great speakers just missing the in-between(proper amplification).
Maybe Lonnie or someone with more knowledge could explain what that is lol, I know it's not just adding watts, my UPA-1's brought out the ''music'' more fuller then the Yamaha did, especially for 2 channel, I also improved upon that when adding a dedicated 2 channel preamp(USP-1)
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Post by buggs1a on Jan 18, 2013 15:28:50 GMT -5
How can I post image here from my iPod?
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Post by creimes on Jan 18, 2013 15:34:46 GMT -5
I post it on my facebook as locked so only I can see it and then I right click the Image and choose copy image location and paste that between the brackets when you click insert image right above where you type...Right above the angry smiley face thingy lol
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