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Post by Metaldude on Jan 18, 2013 21:49:04 GMT -5
G'day from down under,
I'm in the process of deciding on amps for my set up, but will need either a new avr or processer , any suggestions as to what might a good match for my Klipsch RF7 II 's
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Post by garbulky on Jan 18, 2013 21:51:58 GMT -5
Well that's easy...  If you go for power amps go for a standalone processor forget AVR's. You get more bang for the buck that way. |
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Post by Metaldude on Jan 18, 2013 22:11:05 GMT -5
So you saying the processer is much better!
how will the new xmc be with dual subs?
Wow ,so much I thought I new about good sound, then find out I don't...
I'm glad I found this learning centre , I think it's helped me with some decisions that I could have regreted ...
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Post by creimes on Jan 18, 2013 22:16:55 GMT -5
Just like in your decision on amplifier stay with separates whether it be Emotiva brand or not I say separates all the way dude.
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Post by Metaldude on Jan 18, 2013 22:26:07 GMT -5
Thanks for the input guys, seems I have some think'n to do..
In the past I would just ploughed straight ahead think'n I knew best, but now after reading a great deal here and at Klipsch I feel I'm much better informed now than ever , but you guys know how to make a mans head ache ....lol
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Post by chrisk41 on Jan 19, 2013 0:28:42 GMT -5
A price range and rough idea of what you want the processor to do would help with suggestions. I have the RF-83's and love my Onkyo PR-SC5507. Almost went with a Marantz that would also be high on my list.
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Post by emovac on Jan 19, 2013 0:47:55 GMT -5
G'day from down under, I'm in the process of deciding on amps for my set up, but will need either a new avr or processer , any suggestions as to what might a good match for my Klipsch RF7 II 's What features are you looking for? Some high-end AVRs used as pre-pros might be better suited for your needs than a dedicated pre-pro. Might NOT be either. Depends on what features you need. (do you need balanced or unbalanced connections; are you going to stream music from your PC to your pre-pro/AVR? Would you like to hook up a USB music storage device direct to your pre-pro; Does the pre-pro AVR interact with your tablet, or ipad, and does it accept bluetooth signals; do want to use the AVR to run presence speakers from the receiver's amps? Is room correction important to you? I suggest you determine your use and feature set prior to locking in on a specifc brand or type of processor device. Then you can shop for the device based on feature set and your budget. |
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Post by Metaldude on Jan 20, 2013 22:47:23 GMT -5
G'day
I suppose music is my main escape , tend to usb drives cause they hold a great deal of songs etc, so thats 1 requirement.. As stated though still learning about all this stuff, and reading comments here helps me greatly with sorting out just whats on offer and compare I suppose..
But sort of heading the way of Marantz ,I've learn't here they are a warmer mix with the R 7's...
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Post by RightinLA on Jan 20, 2013 23:30:02 GMT -5
I am a big fan of the Pioneer Elite SC series AVR. Check out the Pioneer Elite SC-67.
It has pretty much every feature you would want in a modern pre-pro.
I also like the built-in Class D amps to run a surroundbar for general viewing and use the preamp outputs for home theater or two channel listening.
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Post by audiohead on Jan 20, 2013 23:50:20 GMT -5
Get yourself the best Pre-Pro you can buy most AVR's today are good for HT and not that great for two channel music.With a really good PRE-PRO you can added too it like you want.Much better sound and most of all you can add a Pre-Amp for two channel and get the best of both worlds.
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Post by knucklehead on Jan 21, 2013 0:20:10 GMT -5
I wonder if anyone here could tell the difference between an Onkyo 5010 avr or the 5510 for sound quality - both driving external amps. The internals are all the same except for the 5010 having internal amps. Lots of guys are using the Denon 4311 with internal or external amps and are quite happy. Is the much more expensive Denon prepro any better than the 4311 for sound quality? I doubt that. AVRs are cheaper simply because so many more of them are sold than prepros. Its an economy of scale where one prepro might be made to 100 AVRs.
I use an Onkyo NR818 with an external amp. There is no equivalent prepro in the Onkyo/Integra lineup for what I paid ($679) and audio performance does not suffer one whit compared to some very expensive prepros I've owned. With Audyssey XT32 it provides excellent sound quality through room correction for multi-channel audio. There is nothing 'wrong' with using an AVR IMO. I've done it both ways over the years - I've owned 6 prepros (LMC-1 - UMC-1 - Onkyo SC885 - Integra DHC 40.1) and about half that many AVRs over the last 5-6 years and always enjoyed each and all have delivered great audio. With a UPA-7 even a Harman Kardon 254 AVR was a pretty solid performer. Even the audio quality of the Emo LMC-1 was pretty decent. It just didn't have the features to convince me to keep it for long. Internal HDMI switching for one.
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Post by Metaldude on Jan 22, 2013 8:23:29 GMT -5
Well made decision to go with xpa 5, xpa 2 , yet to decide on either denon 4311 or marantz sr 7007...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 9:40:04 GMT -5
MD, you might consider getting Emo's current UMC-200 while we await the release of the XMC-1. The cost is very low and you will get a 40% off card towards the purchase of the XMC-1. This effectively makes the UMC-200 a $100 processor purchase. And you end up with a spare processor in case repairs are ever needed or if you want to start another system say for your bedroom and such....This is the way I would go...
Also, it would be helpful if you posted your current system, if any, or proposed system in your Sig. This will allow us to make more informed recommendations...
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jan 22, 2013 14:42:34 GMT -5
MD, you might consider getting Emo's current UMC-200 while we await the release of the XMC-1. The cost is very low and you will get a 40% off card towards the purchase of the XMC-1. This effectively makes the UMC-200 a $100 processor purchase. And you end up with a spare processor in case repairs are ever needed or if you want to start another system say for your bedroom and such....This is the way I would go... Also, it would be helpful if you posted your current system, if any, or proposed system in your Sig. This will allow us to make more informed recommendations... -RW- Are you sure they're still giving 40% cards with the UMC-200? I thought you just got 'enrolled' in the 25% for life upgrade. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 14:56:01 GMT -5
You are probably right. But even 25% is a pretty nice discount...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 7:56:18 GMT -5
Get yourself the best Pre-Pro you can buy most AVR's today are good for HT and not that great for two channel music.With a really good PRE-PRO you can added too it like you want.Much better sound and most of all you can add a Pre-Amp for two channel and get the best of both worlds. this is BS! I have 3 different AVR (2x pioneer elite and 1x yamaha htr-5950). I also own XPA5,UPA2.. I ordered the XDA2 and external amp to compare against the 5950 and there is no difference in sound quality. I lost bass management features that were already in my yamaha. I have some high quality FLAC files that I tried. Again no difference .. 0% improvement, putting money on the speakers would have made a bigger improvement for sure. I use that system for music only. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 9:54:18 GMT -5
>> I have some high quality FLAC files that I tried. Again no difference .. 0% improvement, putting money on the speakers would have made a bigger improvement for sure. <<
Bingo. You have learned a valuable lesson, Grasshopper....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 10:26:40 GMT -5
>> I have some high quality FLAC files that I tried. Again no difference .. 0% improvement, putting money on the speakers would have made a bigger improvement for sure. << Bingo. You have learned a valuable lesson, Grasshopper.... -RW- indeed! :-) but I had no intention of changing these speakers.. so I should have kept my system as is.  |
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Post by KeithL on Jan 23, 2013 13:10:53 GMT -5
"Difference" and "value" are, as they say, in the mind and eye of the beholder. Whether you hear a difference or not, and whether you think it's worth the cost, will depend on your sources, your hearing, your tastes, your other equipment, and finally your opinion. Is a Rolls Royce "better" than my Nissan? Obviously *some* folks think so - even though it costs a lot more and gets worse gas mileage. I would tend to agree that the single biggest difference is usually achieved by upgrading speakers. In many cases, the next biggest difference to be had is to improve the room (acoustic treatments and such). After that, with MOST receivers as a starting point, MOST people hear a major improvement when they keep their receiver and pair it up with a separate power amp. MOST people hear a bigger improvement if they replace their receiver entirely with a separate pre/pro and power amp. Only you can say what YOU hear, and what it's worth to you. I can tell you that, personally, I currently use one of our UMC-200 pre/pros connected to a pair of our Stealth 8 powered monitors ... and, while the UMC-200 sounds very good in stereo (better than any receiver I've owned or heard), the XDA-2 sounds better yet with good quality stereo content. I have plenty of files where you can't hear the difference, or where it doesn't seem terribly important either way, and plenty of OTHER files where it's a pretty obvious improvement. (I don't have any where it sounds worse so, overall, it's an obvious improvement.) Get yourself the best Pre-Pro you can buy most AVR's today are good for HT and not that great for two channel music.With a really good PRE-PRO you can added too it like you want.Much better sound and most of all you can add a Pre-Amp for two channel and get the best of both worlds. this is BS! I have 3 different AVR (2x pioneer elite and 1x yamaha htr-5950). I also own XPA5,UPA2.. I ordered the XDA2 and external amp to compare against the 5950 and there is no difference in sound quality. I lost bass management features that were already in my yamaha. I have some high quality FLAC files that I tried. Again no difference .. 0% improvement, putting money on the speakers would have made a bigger improvement for sure. I use that system for music only. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 13:19:32 GMT -5
Great post, Keith, and spot-on with your recommendations!
One thing I would add to the convo is that your source materials are right up there with speakers and room treatments for their efficacy in improving the sound quality of any system. And the beauty of having the very best sources is that they will improve *any* setup you may have, now and in the future.
Plus, they're portable. You can load up a thumb drive with some killer albums and turn your friends on to what they are missing...
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If you go for power amps go for a standalone processor forget AVR's. You get more bang for the buck that way. 
