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Post by thepcguy on Feb 26, 2013 21:38:15 GMT -5
The Copyright Alert System, an anti-piracy plan also known as "Six Strikes" which goes into effect the week of Feb. 25, is getting mixed responses from Internet activists who one year ago banded together to ward off the much-hated Stop Online Piracy Act. CAS is an effort by content owners (mostly in the entertainment industry) to monitor public data on peer-to-peer networks for what they consider illegal sharing of their music, movies or software. mashable.com/2013/02/25/six-strikes-internet-activists/ |
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Post by audiofile on Feb 26, 2013 22:07:16 GMT -5
Unfortunately, they have copyright law on their side.
The way out of that mess may be the fact that their method of enforcement may be deemed to be excessive and without due process with respects to proving ownership of the material prior to them taking the last action they have planned.
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Post by thepcguy on Feb 27, 2013 14:18:29 GMT -5
Unfortunately, they have copyright law on their side. The way out of that mess may be the fact that their method of enforcement may be deemed to be excessive and without due process with respects to proving ownership of the material prior to them taking the last action they have planned. They've been using copyright laws for years without much success. Hopefully, they'll employ better ways as noted here: |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 27, 2013 14:23:03 GMT -5
It's not just about controlling piracy, it's about protecting ownership of intellectual property in all cases. Consumers are just pawns in this game...
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Post by drtrey3 on Feb 27, 2013 14:56:31 GMT -5
Well, consumers who use the intellectual property without paying for it are a huge part of the problem. Maybe, they are the entire problem. I mean, there is not problem without that activity right?
When I like a band, especially a current band, I buy everything they put out. I am going to buy the new Ben Folds Five download because I really like Folds' stuff and I want him to continue to make music. So I pony up.
If you want the people who make your music to continue to do so, I encourage you to do the same.
Trey
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2013 15:41:56 GMT -5
Wow, the hubris of our federal govt. is incredible. Not only do they claim the privilege to abrogate our 4th Amendment right against unreasonable search and seizure of our person, papers, and property but they have also declared it legal to execute American citizens without benefit of a trial or even, indeed, having charges leveled against them.
This naked grab for totalitarian control of our lives should rightfully alarm every American citizen. But hey, as long as they're "doing it for the children" or "if even one life can be saved" it's a-okay with me. NOT!!!
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PS: You do know, of course, that the NSA already monitors *every* cell phone call you make, right?
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Post by DYohn on Feb 27, 2013 15:46:05 GMT -5
... and remember, if the disc has copy protection, then breaking copy protection to do a "backup" is also illegal.
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Post by KeithL on Feb 27, 2013 18:21:55 GMT -5
Unfortunately, there IS another side to the issue..... Sure, I agree that a lot of people pirate music, but the record industry hasn't been all that reasonable to their customers either. For example: When I buy a CD, am I paying for the right to listen to the music, or am I paying for a piece of plastic? Years ago, I bought a record of my favorite album. "They" told me that the plastic was about $1, and most of the money was for the right to listen to the music. Then one day my record got broken. OK, the plastic was worth a buck, and the license was already paid for. Seems like I should have been able to trade in my broken plastic for new plastic - and just keep my license - for $1. Hmmmm, not so much. They wanted full price for another copy. Finally, a few years ago, it came out on CD. Strangely, again, they expected me to pay full price (so now this is the third time I paid for the same license - which doesn't seem quite fair, now does it?) Seems to me, if we were being fair, I would be able to offer some sort of proof that I paid for the album, or the CD, and then be able to download a copy to my computer; after all, I already paid for the right to listen to the music. All of this adds up to the fact that I can't work up much sympathy when a record company gets ripped off. And one more insult: I pay $20 for a Blu-Ray disc, plug it into my Blu-Ray player, and what do I get.... well, at least ten minutes of trailers (aka commercials) that I can't skip or avoid. Now that REALLY kills off any last vestige of sympathy I had for these guys... They expect us to respect them, but they seem to feel no need whatsoever to respect us. (And I didn't even mention the fact that virtually all anti-piracy methods tried so far in recent history have managed to inconvenience and annoy legitimate customers, yet have done almost nothing to prevent actual theft. Hmmmm again.) And, finally, I sort of wonder how much of the money I pay for that CD actually reaches the band... and how much goes to support the record company, so they can pay for more ads, so they can sell more stuff, which I was going to buy anyway... Perhaps the whole "record industry model" just doesn't work any more. Hmmmmm..... Well, consumers who use the intellectual property without paying for it are a huge part of the problem. Maybe, they are the entire problem. I mean, there is not problem without that activity right? When I like a band, especially a current band, I buy everything they put out. I am going to buy the new Ben Folds Five download because I really like Folds' stuff and I want him to continue to make music. So I pony up. If you want the people who make your music to continue to do so, I encourage you to do the same. Trey |
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Post by LCSeminole on Feb 27, 2013 20:25:36 GMT -5
Unfortunately, there IS another side to the issue..... Sure, I agree that a lot of people pirate music, but the record industry hasn't been all that reasonable to their customers either. For example: When I buy a CD, am I paying for the right to listen to the music, or am I paying for a piece of plastic? Years ago, I bought a record of my favorite album. "They" told me that the plastic was about $1, and most of the money was for the right to listen to the music. Then one day my record got broken. OK, the plastic was worth a buck, and the license was already paid for. Seems like I should have been able to trade in my broken plastic for new plastic - and just keep my license - for $1. Hmmmm, not so much. They wanted full price for another copy. Finally, a few years ago, it came out on CD. Strangely, again, they expected me to pay full price (so now this is the third time I paid for the same license - which doesn't seem quite fair, now does it?) Seems to me, if we were being fair, I would be able to offer some sort of proof that I paid for the album, or the CD, and then be able to download a copy to my computer; after all, I already paid for the right to listen to the music. All of this adds up to the fact that I can't work up much sympathy when a record company gets ripped off. And one more insult: I pay $20 for a Blu-Ray disc, plug it into my Blu-Ray player, and what do I get.... well, at least ten minutes of trailers (aka commercials) that I can't skip or avoid. Now that REALLY kills off any last vestige of sympathy I had for these guys... They expect us to respect them, but they seem to feel no need whatsoever to respect us. (And I didn't even mention the fact that virtually all anti-piracy methods tried so far in recent history have managed to inconvenience and annoy legitimate customers, yet have done almost nothing to prevent actual theft. Hmmmm again.) And, finally, I sort of wonder how much of the money I pay for that CD actually reaches the band... and how much goes to support the record company, so they can pay for more ads, so they can sell more stuff, which I was going to buy anyway... Perhaps the whole "record industry model" just doesn't work any more. Hmmmmm..... Well, consumers who use the intellectual property without paying for it are a huge part of the problem. Maybe, they are the entire problem. I mean, there is not problem without that activity right? When I like a band, especially a current band, I buy everything they put out. I am going to buy the new Ben Folds Five download because I really like Folds' stuff and I want him to continue to make music. So I pony up. If you want the people who make your music to continue to do so, I encourage you to do the same. Trey Never thought of it that way Keith, food for thought. Good question on why one would have to possibly pay for that same license multiple times. I will however admit I have little to no sympathy for the Record Industry or Movie Studios. |
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Post by traider79 on Feb 27, 2013 20:45:29 GMT -5
Keith good food for thought. I agree 100% with everything you said.
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Post by yves on Feb 28, 2013 8:54:08 GMT -5
www.cracked.com/article_20256_5-things-record-labels-dont-want-you-to-know-they-do.htmlWell, consumers who use the intellectual property without paying for it are a huge part of the problem. Maybe, they are the entire problem. I mean, there is not problem without that activity right? When I like a band, especially a current band, I buy everything they put out. I am going to buy the new Ben Folds Five download because I really like Folds' stuff and I want him to continue to make music. So I pony up. If you want the people who make your music to continue to do so, I encourage you to do the same. Trey
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Post by drtrey3 on Feb 28, 2013 9:45:42 GMT -5
Yves, honestly, I already knew that stuff. I was married to a woman who worked for a major label. The best of them was an honest bean counter, well, there was one lady who had been there since the 60s who had a great ear and really loved music, but she was not a good ass kisser so they fired her. I have no sympathy for the labels.
But I do worry about the artists! I should have made that point more clear in my original post, but I have no arguments with your points at all since they confirm my observations.
Thanks for the post pal!
Trey
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Post by DYohn on Feb 28, 2013 10:09:30 GMT -5
Keith: According to US Copyright Laws, you are paying for the piece of plastic and limited rights to specific use of the contents, which is someone else's property. The Copyright owner can control what use is allowed and what use is not allowed of their property in any way they see fit. It's like walking on a path across someone else's property. As long as you stay on the path you are welcome to use the property. But that gives you no rights to alter the path, to stray off it, to widen nor narrow the path, nor to make multiple paths for your own convenience. And if the property owner decides to offer several different versions of the same path, it is up to you to choose to purchase access to one of many of them.
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