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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 15:05:44 GMT -5
dB drags are not just SLP comps. The are everything, SQ, looks, dB, ect. I don't care what you link as I've lived it for years. Class D wins more than any other amp tech, not just SLP but SQ etc. I've seen it with my own eyes and owned an award winning system for 3 years, SQ for 2 and dB for 1. All class D usamps and re audio and mach 5 SLP 15's.
It's fine if in your area class A/B does well but remember, the guys doing these crazy systems are only an extremely small portion of the guys competing in the comps.
To many guys have the assumption that A/B has some huge advantage over class D and it's just an assumption and mis-information, it's as easy as that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 15:15:55 GMT -5
dB drags are not just SLP comps. The are everything, SQ, looks, dB, ect. I don't care what you link as I've lived it for years. Class D wins more than any other amp tech, not just SLP but SQ etc. I've seen it with my own eyes and owned an award winning system for 3 years, SQ for 2 and dB for 1. All class D usamps and re audio and mach 5 SLP 15's. It's fine if in your area class A/B does well but remember, the guys doing these crazy systems are only an extremely small portion of the guys competing in the comps. To many guys have the assumption that A/B has some huge advantage over class D and it's just an assumption and mis-information, it's as easy as that. Nate I'm with you on this one bro. Absolutely nothing wrong with a well built Class D amp. Nothing!! Sounds just as good or better than the AB amps i've heard. I've always thought there wasn't really differences in amp classes but every time i use a D amp, it just sound much more clear and the bass, the BASS is just wonderful. |
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Post by TUGA Audiophile on Apr 26, 2013 15:19:35 GMT -5
Hello, I respect your opinion, but ... WIN is WIN  HUG |
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Post by TUGA Audiophile on Apr 26, 2013 15:27:57 GMT -5
Well, For me THE BEST POWER AMP'S IN THE WORLD, QUALITY VS PRICE IS: - EMOTIVA XPA-1!!! - I WANT 5   ;D  - ALREADY BOUGHT 2, SO THERE ARE MORE 3. THE END |
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Post by creimes on Apr 26, 2013 15:40:48 GMT -5
Oh man I hate you guys now I'm all interested in this class D line lol, but my funds are getting depleted unless I use credit and I really don't wanna take that route as I also have some stuff to do around the house we bought last october.....c'mon lotto max lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 16:16:10 GMT -5
Oh man I hate you guys now I'm all interested in this class D line lol, but my funds are getting depleted unless I use credit and I really don't wanna take that route as I also have some stuff to do around the house we bought last october.....c'mon lotto max lol It's too bad I still didn't have my dragons, I would have lent them to you!. I still do have the same modules in my D-sonic that were in my Red Dragons. They are great!! Those Ncore modules are also very nice, excellent sounding. |
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Post by mgbpuff on Apr 26, 2013 17:07:14 GMT -5
Well, I can hardly follow a couple of the posters due to their poor english. I think Class D is a complex design necessitating dedicated module manufacturers. Others then use the modules with their own additions, such as power supplies and peripheral acessories to complete their particular implementations. I have a Tripath based unit and it does sound terrific, but Tripath is out of business and after the stock of their modules is depleted, repairs will be impossible. The same can happen with the ICE units or the Hypex ones. Those modules may be surpassed by new ones and thus be taken out of production. The manufacturer is no longer in control of his destiny (price or design) nor are the consumers. RFI emanations are a great problem with many of these devices also. They may affect the performance of other equipment more so than other more conventional amplifier designs.
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Post by ocezam on Apr 26, 2013 18:40:43 GMT -5
I WILL also urge you to keep the "wow factor" in perspective... Yes, it IS cool to have a pair of Hypex modules with as much power as an XPA-2, but that you can carry around in your backpack (without getting a hernia); just don't confuse the fact that the technology is so cool with the way they sound. Unless the small size and light weight are important to you, then, from an audiophile point of view, they shouldn't "get extra points" because of that. Close your eyes so you can't see that they're "cute" and listen to how they sound. Jeez man. Really? Nowhere did I state they "were cool" because of their size/weight. In fact I mentioned that the small size and weight initially turned me off. I've been doing this 35 years. New technology and light weight don't wow me. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I was no longer able to use a 4 RU amp I looked to these as a means of filling a need. Guess what? THE SOUND WOWED ME, AND I BELIEVE I HAVE IT IN PERFECT PERSPECTIVE. BEST AMPS I'VE HAD IN MY HOUSE. I've been a loyal Emotiva customer for several years. I still own and am very happy with two other Emotiva products. Further I am also very interested in what Emotiva might bring to the market concerning a tube preamp and a music streamer. |
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Post by ocezam on Apr 26, 2013 18:43:46 GMT -5
Your right I have never heard those amps and trust me I am not saying they are crap or bad sounding amps by any means, heck after your review I even thought about trying a pair as you sparked my curiosity but 2 of them in the cart is $1698 which I just can't do right now...unless I sell my newly acuired UPA-200 which I just got going for my outdoor speakers but then I'm still roughly at about $1300 and I would have to dip into my XMC-1 fund.... Srry for wording it badly Chad Your price is too high. Should be $1598 regularly. I paid $1350 for my set. Talk to Ryan on the phone/email, ask him about Blems or B-stock. ... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 20:48:25 GMT -5
Well, I can hardly follow a couple of the posters due to their poor english. I think Class D is a complex design necessitating dedicated module manufacturers. Others then use the modules with their own additions, such as power supplies and peripheral acessories to complete their particular implementations. I have a Tripath based unit and it does sound terrific, but Tripath is out of business and after the stock of their modules is depleted, repairs will be impossible. The same can happen with the ICE units or the Hypex ones. Those modules may be surpassed by new ones and thus be taken out of production. The manufacturer is no longer in control of his destiny (price or design) nor are the consumers. RFI emanations are a great problem with many of these devices also. They may affect the performance of other equipment more so than other more conventional amplifier designs. Thats what Ebay is for!!! lol |
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Post by creimes on Apr 26, 2013 21:10:54 GMT -5
Your right I have never heard those amps and trust me I am not saying they are crap or bad sounding amps by any means, heck after your review I even thought about trying a pair as you sparked my curiosity but 2 of them in the cart is $1698 which I just can't do right now...unless I sell my newly acuired UPA-200 which I just got going for my outdoor speakers but then I'm still roughly at about $1300 and I would have to dip into my XMC-1 fund.... Srry for wording it badly Chad Your price is too high. Should be $1598 regularly. I paid $1350 for my set. Talk to Ryan on the phone/email, ask him about Blems or B-stock. ... oops yes $1598 Man I wish I had disposable money to explore this hobby more lol, got my first house last October, it's 850 sqft for $213,000 keeps me broke enough to have to spend lightly haha |
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Post by mgbpuff on Apr 27, 2013 7:36:33 GMT -5
N8DOGG,
Lab.Gruppen FP 14000 amps - 14000 watts? Class TD? (Rip off of Carver patents? Really Class B with high speed rail switching, otherwise known as Class H)) 10 subs? You are not going to find any of your 'stuff' on Ebay. Surprised you are slumming here.
P.S. 1) Where did you find this unusual 'stuff'?
2) Do you have a power sub station on your property?
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Post by garbulky on Apr 27, 2013 8:27:49 GMT -5
^^^If you count up the watts his amps put out it's close to 40,000 watts. Really. Very cool.
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Post by mgbpuff on Apr 27, 2013 9:03:40 GMT -5
O.K. Look, Lab.Gruppen and such are pro-class equipment, meant to light up stadiums for live performances. Being meant as 'music creating' devices, they don't worry about accurate reproduction of anything, they, after all, are the 'creators'. I wouldn't have this crap in my system.
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Post by ocezam on Apr 27, 2013 10:27:17 GMT -5
O.K. Look, Lab.Gruppen and such are pro-class equipment, meant to light up stadiums for live performances. Being meant as 'music creating' devices, they don't worry about accurate reproduction of anything, they, after all, are the 'creators'. I wouldn't have this crap in my system. That's the best you can do? B.S. attacks on other guys stuff? Internet loud mouth. ... |
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Post by ocezam on Apr 27, 2013 10:30:29 GMT -5
I have a Tripath based unit and it does sound terrific, but Tripath is out of business and after the stock of their modules is depleted, repairs will be impossible. The same can happen with the ICE units or the Hypex ones. Actually, the same can and does happen with virtually any product you can imagine. Nothing lasts forever. Big deal. This is an aspect that I am absolutely not concerned with. ... |
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Post by mgbpuff on Apr 27, 2013 10:53:49 GMT -5
Some equipment has been repairable for 70 + years. Some equipment is crap. Take issue with me based upon technical rebuttal, not ad hominem attacks.
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Post by GreenKiwi on Apr 27, 2013 11:17:23 GMT -5
That reminds me. I should get a psu for my tripath ta0105 board. Don't know what I'd use it for.
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Post by jdubs on Apr 27, 2013 11:23:17 GMT -5
Why are there people on here calling other people's gear "crap"? Doesn't really belong in this forum IMHO.
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Post by ocezam on Apr 27, 2013 11:25:06 GMT -5
Some equipment has been repairable for 70 + years. Some equipment is crap. Take issue with me based upon technical rebuttal, not ad hominem attacks. But my issue with you is ad hominem. O.K. Look, Lab.Gruppen and such are pro-class equipment, meant to light up stadiums for live performances. Being meant as 'music creating' devices, they don't worry about accurate reproduction of anything, they, after all, are the 'creators'. I wouldn't have this crap in my system. This is no "technical rebuttal". Simple internet bullying, nothing more. ... |
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