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Post by Lsc on May 7, 2013 23:56:42 GMT -5
Lol. You are right. The XPA-5 is superior. We are dumb buying the XPR-5...and you took this to another level buying the XPR-1. What were you thinking?  XPA-1 and XPA-5 is where it's at. |
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Post by arthurz on May 8, 2013 0:04:02 GMT -5
I bought the XPR's for their power. I never expected a "night-and-day" improvement in SQ.
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 8, 2013 0:14:50 GMT -5
Lets not forget what Fernando said about the XPR's ... "It's not how you sound ... it's how you look ... and you look marvelous!"  |
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Post by Lsc on May 8, 2013 0:18:01 GMT -5
I bought the XPR's for their power. I never expected a "night-and-day" improvement in SQ. And I used to subscribe to playboy for the great articles  The XPR-5 makes things sound more realistic vs the XPA-5. And the difference is pretty noticeable. We will just disagree on this. I've moved on from my XPA-5 anyway...it was and still is a fine amp but has nowhere the power and control over my speakers that the XPR-5 has. And to get back on topic..the XPR-1 is a true monoblock..ask danr about them babies. The review is nice for the naysayers, but for those who know, reviews mean nothing. I can listen to components and decide for myself. I don't need validation. |
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Post by Gary Cook on May 8, 2013 0:27:37 GMT -5
Volume level was the same. I've been at this a while, I'm no spring chicken. Me either, but I still like to check the volume with my trusty SPL meter. I'm always amazed at the number of times so called superior sound actually is a direct result of higher volume. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Lsc on May 8, 2013 9:04:35 GMT -5
Volume level was the same. I've been at this a while, I'm no spring chicken. Me either, but I still like to check the volume with my trusty SPL meter. I'm always amazed at the number of times so called superior sound actually is a direct result of higher volume. Cheers Gary These differences that I speak of are not minor. But maybe I'm more tuned in. However, even my wife who couldn't care less about this stuff commented on the train passing and said "it sounds like a real train just passed by". Also, I genuinely got startled for the first time during Skyfall when that bomb went off. I never got that feeling watching movies w/ the XPA-5. And I watch movies around -9.5 dB. I can't compare them now anyway, I sold my XPA-5...believe me, I really enjoyed the XPA-5 - i didn't want to part with it. But it was a condition I gave my wife when I told her I'm getting the XPR-5. |
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Post by tchaik on May 8, 2013 9:49:37 GMT -5
Me either, but I still like to check the volume with my trusty SPL meter. I'm always amazed at the number of times so called superior sound actually is a direct result of higher volume. Cheers Gary These differences that I speak of are not minor. But maybe I'm more tuned in. However, even my wife who couldn't care less about this stuff commented on the train passing and said "it sounds like a real train just passed by". Also, I genuinely got startled for the first time during Skyfall when that bomb went off. I never got that feeling watching the XPA-5. And I watch movies around -9.5 dB. I can't compare them now anyway, I sold my XPA-5...believe me, I really enjoyed the XPA-5 - i didn't want to part with it. But it was a condition I gave my wife when I told her I'm getting the XPR-5. more power means greater headroom and greater dynamic gradation. although i don't own the xpr-5 (yet) and am very happy with the xpa-5, if i had the funds i would consider them in light of what the xpr-5 offers. i would anticipate improved dynamics because of the enormous reserves the amp has. oh well...... guess i will have to wait a while. and add to that 2 xpr-1s.........  OMG........ tchaik............. |
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Post by danr on May 8, 2013 9:56:48 GMT -5
I bought the XPR's for their power. I never expected a "night-and-day" improvement in SQ. And I used to subscribe to playboy for the great articles There are articles in Playboy?  ;D |
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Post by ocezam on May 8, 2013 9:57:06 GMT -5
Some SERIOUS power there! Congrats Emotiva! +1..What comes close to it?I Googled and come up with nothing even close to what is in it or the power that it has the "Specs" are as good if not better then some of the so called "Elite" about everything I look at Pass Lab,Krell,and Nothing that Parasound has comes close. Pass Labs X1000.5 1KW into 8, 2kw into 4. Leaves class A at 80 watts Admittedly it's ten times the price, but to say nothing comes close isn't very accurate. If I may weigh in. Disclaimer, I have not heard any of Emotiva's "big daddy" amplifiers, but my general feeling is this; when budgeting or making any purchasing decision, spend money on things that are quantifiable (video etc.) and let your ears and personal tastes dictate other items such as sound. You sound like a videophile. Nothing wrong with that, but it is the opposite of what I am. For instance, in my theater, on my 73" screen, I'm fine with 720P. 1080P is better. I can see the difference, and I prefer it. But it's nothing to write home about. Perfectly quantifiable, and mostly moot, to me at least. Sound on the other hand literally rocks my world. Rarely when watching a movie does the the picture cause me to step back and exclaim "wow, what an incredible picture". It happens, but not often. A very well recorded and mixed soundtrack on the other hand often makes me stop and say to my fellow watchers, "Jeez that's some killer sound!" Additionally, My stereo rig gives me much more pleasure than my theater. Video is fun. Music is spiritual. I did not mean to imply that you "undervalue" audio, just that you value you it differently than do I. And video can be compromised by the room it is in, too. In my case, a projector is a non-starter - I have a high cathedral ceiling, light-colored walls and ceiling, skylights, and I'd have to mount a projector over 22 feet away from a screen. I doubt there is any home projector that can put out enough light under those circumstances. For me, some kind of flat-panel display was the way to go, hence my Mitsu DLP. I just wish I gotten the 65" model instead of the 60" I have. But it serves me quite adequately, and was very inexpensive. Best Wishes, -RW- Agreed. >> It would be rather overkill for a $3,000 XPR-1 set to be run with speakers that cost less. << Indeed. My *general* rule of thumb is to allocate twice to thrice the dollars for speakers as for amp/preamp. The law of diminishing returns kicks in quite early for amps, not so soon for speakers And this has served me quite well for over 40 years... -RW- Disagreed. Many speakers over perform vs their cost. Also their is NOTHING more subjective in audio than a speakers performance. My stereo amps cost nearly 3 times what my speakers did. I expect the amps to long outlast the speakers too. This has served me well for 35 years... So I should basically build my system around my speakers instead of the other way around? I think that's been the common wisdom for some time. Your room guides/dictates your speaker selection, your speakers will perform best with the right amp, your processor selection might be guided by amp and speaker location; balanced cables for longer runs, 5.1, 7.2, 9.3, etc. Certainly (back on topic) you could first buy an amp that will drive virtually any speaker (like the XPR-1), though if you have a specific budget that may not be the best way to allocate your funds.Agreed an all points. |
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Post by danr on May 8, 2013 10:00:49 GMT -5
Lol. You are right. The XPA-5 is superior. We are dumb buying the XPR-5...and you took this to another level buying the XPR-1. What were you thinking? XPA-1 and XPA-5 is where it's at. I'm with you on this. We are sworn to not relay the stories/comment from Emo on the Road. Don't let the big guy down. Let people believe what they want to believe. I have yet to hear of someone who went XPA to XPR who didn't notice increased sound quality (not just "power"), and come away raving. Ignorance is bliss, and there are a lot of happy people. Don't rain on their parade.  |
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Post by ocezam on May 8, 2013 10:05:13 GMT -5
Arthurz with all due respect, when was the last time you had your hearing checked?  Lol. You are right. The XPA-5 is superior. We are dumb buying the XPR-5...and you took this to another level buying the XPR-1. What were you thinking? XPA-1 and XPA-5 is where it's at. Really? Is all this sarcasm needed? You make yourself sound as if this is a religion to you. The man has the same amp equipment as you, both past and present. He admits there is a sound quality improvement, but is less emphatic than yourself concerning to what degree of an improvement, and you suggest that he has bad hearing? Perhaps it is simply that he is viewing it as a hobby rather than theology? |
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Post by ocezam on May 8, 2013 10:11:56 GMT -5
Lol. You are right. The XPA-5 is superior. We are dumb buying the XPR-5...and you took this to another level buying the XPR-1. What were you thinking? XPA-1 and XPA-5 is where it's at. I'm with you on this. We are sworn to not relay the stories/comment from Emo on the Road. Don't let the big guy down. Let people believe what they want to believe. I have yet to hear of someone who went XPA to XPR who didn't notice increased sound quality (not just "power"), and come away raving. Ignorance is bliss, and there are a lot of happy people. Don't rain on their parade. How can he be "ignorant" when he owns the same equipment? Let people believe what they want to believe. Believe? As in Faith? The man is relaying his facts concerning his ownership of the amps. Belief plays no part in it. I have yet to hear of someone who went XPA to XPR who didn't notice increased sound quality (not just "power"), and come away raving. Well actually, you have just heard it. He owns the amps! He claims a SQ improvement. You're angry that his description of the improvement isn't "raving" enough. Jeez, really? |
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Post by Lsc on May 8, 2013 10:24:39 GMT -5
Arthurz with all due respect, when was the last time you had your hearing checked? Lol. You are right. The XPA-5 is superior. We are dumb buying the XPR-5...and you took this to another level buying the XPR-1. What were you thinking? XPA-1 and XPA-5 is where it's at. Really? Is all this sarcasm needed? You make yourself sound as if this is a religion to you. The man has the same amp equipment as you, both past and present. He admits there is a sound quality improvement, but is less emphatic than yourself concerning to what degree of an improvement, and you suggest that he has bad hearing? Perhaps it is simply that he is viewing it as a hobby rather than theology? Can you stop stalking me? Why are you so angry all the time? Also, how are those XPA-1L class A monoblocks working out for you? I don't want to take credit for your change of heart but I'm going to |
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Post by ocezam on May 8, 2013 10:44:20 GMT -5
Can you stop stalking me? Excuse me? I honestly haven't taken notice of you. I'm responding to a random thread on a forum I enjoy. If I disagreed with you elsewhere, I assure you it was random also. Peace out. ... |
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Post by Lsc on May 8, 2013 11:14:37 GMT -5
Can you stop stalking me? Excuse me? I honestly haven't taken notice of you. I'm responding to a random thread on a forum I enjoy. If I disagreed with you elsewhere, I assure you it was random also. Peace out. ... Arthurz knows I was kidding about his hearing. At least I hope he does. I don't attack random people on these forums. Instead, we are just having a discussion. This one may be a touch lively but nothing that needs intervention. He not only has the same XPR-5 but he has more. He also spent much more on speakers than me too. Do you hear me saying, "man, you wasted your money on those overrated speakers". That would be rude! (btw I love B&W) Not in the least - we can discuss and agree to disagree on equipment that we both have and use. And even if you don't have the XPR but are looking forward to it like Tchaik, by all means, it's a good discussion and relevant to you as well. He has the XPA-5 and may make the jump to XPR-5...great! I want to share what the difference is as a fellow Emotiva amplifier owner because it's more than double the cost - and it's another viewpoint to someone like Arthurz saying it's only a subtle difference. We are grown adults, I personally can go without you chiming in adding nothing in value to this discussion. You went another route, that's great - I hope those Red Dragons workout better for you than the XPA-1Ls. I'll let Arthurz speak for himself whether he needs your coddling or not. |
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Post by Porscheguy on May 8, 2013 11:22:52 GMT -5
I've owned both the XPA-1 and XPA-5 amps and now the XPR's, and they are a step up for sure, but not night and day. To my ears the XPR amps are slightly cleaner sounding, cymbals for instance have a more natural sound to them as to voices and wind instruments. I should also comment that the XPR-1's have less gain 29db, than the XPA-1's 32 db so at my reference volume they sounded less "impactful" until I figured out what was going on. It's pointless to argue the merits. If ya want them, get them.
And, as the owner of a 2013 Porsche Carrera, I can tell you that it is far superior all around than a Boxster, which is a great machine. :-)
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Post by ocezam on May 8, 2013 11:27:29 GMT -5
I'll let Arthurz speak for himself whether he needs your coddling or not. Jeez. OK. .. |
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Post by hemster on May 8, 2013 11:29:53 GMT -5
Ahem... people, let's not get tetchy... Please remember this is supposed to be a hobby! |
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Post by ocezam on May 8, 2013 11:36:34 GMT -5
I've owned both the XPA-1 and XPA-5 amps and now the XPR's, and they are a step up for sure, but not night and day. To my ears the XPR amps are slightly cleaner sounding, That sounds reasonable. And, as the owner of a 2013 Porsche Carrera, I can tell you that it is far superior all around than a Boxster, which is a great machine. :-) Yeah, sure, rub it in. I owned a Porsche 911 RSR when I was stationed in Germany in 1982-85. Quickest car I've ever driven, and did about 155 mph with it 3 or 4 times. Mid 130's mph dozens of times. It was fast for the day. They weren't as civilized in those days. The high power/short wheelbase would jump out and bite you if not careful. I loved that car. Looked like this, but red:  .. |
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Post by Porscheguy on May 8, 2013 11:52:20 GMT -5
What a beauty. Yeah, the Carrera is all grown up know. Bigger and heavier but with more power and finesse. Not to mention it's very comfortable, has a great stereo and AC, but still goes to 60 in 4 seconds...
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