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Post by incloud on Jun 29, 2013 21:10:22 GMT -5
I have recently been looking into a new sub as my existing sub (Klipsch Sub12) is quite boomy above 80hz. My surrounds are rated for 120hz - 20khz (Klipsch Quintets) so they are my limiting factor as of now. Due to my living space I am stuck with my current speakers for the time being. My mains are Klipsch WF-34 Fronts, Klipsch WC-24 Center. What I am trying to do is utilize my Sub12 up to 60hz where it does well but add a second sub that plays tight bass in the range of 60-120hz to make up for my loss due to the Quintets. I will be picking up a Emotiva UMC-1 tomorrow which will give me individual crossover settings for each speaker. My current Yamaha RX-V765 does not allow individual settings and has only one crossover setting for all speakers. Setting it low gives great bass but i lose a lot of detail from center and surrounds. Setting it higher makes my Sub12 boomy and extremely directional. So, my question to you guys after much research is which sub of in the up to $500ish range would be best for my current speaker setup? I am looking for as tight of bass as possible more so than wall shaking. I'm not as interested in the type of bass from explosions as I am the detail of the bass coming from doors shutting or the cocking of a gun in a movie. My intent is for detailed sound versus overly loud. My UMC-1 will be powered by a Emotiva LPA-1. Hope this is not too much of a request and I want to say Thanks in advance for any and all support/advice. Prior to this thread my intentions were to go with a BIC PL-200 which I have heard HSU took part in the design. But many members here and of the top audio forums have swayed me toward an HSU for a couple hundred more. I am not entirely sure which HSU would fit my needs as I really do not understand the specs that are listed for each model. I am entirely open to any and all suggestions regarding my request. Thanks again and I look forward to receiving the opinion and experience of those throughout these boards. I thought Emotiva made subs at one point but do not see any listed or even sources any more on the site. HSU Sub ListSub 12 Specs |
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Post by incloud on Jun 29, 2013 22:57:32 GMT -5
I'm thinking about ordering this sub: SB12-NSD Any thoughts or experience with this? |
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Post by deltadube on Jun 29, 2013 23:52:18 GMT -5
the boomy my be your room acoustics.. did you do a sub crawl for sub placement..
seal sub maybe what your looking for .. check out svs with a bit bigger budget..
cheers
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Post by incloud on Jun 29, 2013 23:57:45 GMT -5
There's nowhere to crawl in the room, lol. I showed a link above to the SVS sub I was thinking about and after reading for a couple hours on it and the reviews at SVS, it's a done deal. SB12-NSDThat should take care of my bass issues. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2013 2:23:10 GMT -5
Since your front Klipschs are good down to the mid-49s I'm wondering why you are trying to get a sub that works at 120 Hz? Why not just cross your current sub at about 50-60 Hz and leave it at that?
Surround speakers really don't need to handle much of anything below 200 Hz...
-RW-
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Post by danny01 on Jun 30, 2013 3:26:17 GMT -5
Maybe a buying a mic to run REW to see what's really going on might be an option. Otherwise you don't know what you're trying to fix.
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Post by incloud on Jun 30, 2013 6:59:35 GMT -5
Since your front Klipschs are good down to the mid-49s I'm wondering why you are trying to get a sub that works at 120 Hz? Why not just cross your current sub at about 50-60 Hz and leave it at that? Surround speakers really don't need to handle much of anything below 200 Hz... -RW- I have tried every crossover setting available from 40hz up to 200hz in my receiver and have adjusted and placed the sub itself endlessly for the past two years. Setting it to 60 or 80hz sounds great from the front speakers but is like watching a movie in stereo as the surrounds seem to disappear. I get an occassional scene where it sounds really good but most of the movie is dull. Setting the crossover to 120hz in the receiver brings out the full soundtrack and my surrounds pop and are pretty seamless with the fronts. But also at 100-120hz the front sound stage including my center sounds like speakers without woofers (empty) and the sub is like a boom box and actually annoying to listen to. Every time my wife and I watch a movie, I end up having to turn off the sub or the system itself and use the TV speakers because you can barely hear the dialogue unless it is cranked up high and then when any action comes it sounds like one of those beat up cars with a poorly installed 1000w stereo system going by. Completely obvious where the sub is and it is truly annoying. Most of the time I use the adaptive listening mode (Dynamic Range - Auto) in the receiver to even out the difference between dialogue and effects but that takes the fun out of it for me. I'm so tired of hearing,"I can't hear what their saying, stupid stereo" and "Can you turn off that stupid box". I don't blame her, because it is annoying when you cant hear one minute at all and then it is like a freight train coming through the room. I know, Turn it down right? Turning it down makes movies seem boring. I don't understand why they make movies with the dialogue so pitifully low. So all this is why I want to sell it all and buy better components. Put it this way, thousands in my system and annoying, $200 Samsung bedroom system sounds amazing. Thanks guys for letting me vent, lol... |
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Post by incloud on Jun 30, 2013 7:03:07 GMT -5
Maybe a buying a mic to run REW to see what's really going on might be an option. Otherwise you don't know what you're trying to fix. I have a Mic and REW but have no idea how to use the program. Pretty sad seeing I'm a web developer and fluent in 5 computer languages. Learning as quick as possible all the meanings in this hobby. |
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Post by frenchyfranky on Jun 30, 2013 17:05:56 GMT -5
SVS makes really good subs, for sure you could buy it with confidence, I own one SVS since 8 years and I shouldn't changing soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2013 19:37:44 GMT -5
You can "locate" the sub when you crank up the crossover to 120 Hz because you have it replicating frequencies that allow it to be located. You might try placing the sub back where the surrounds are and see if that helps. But keep the crossover below 80 Hz, preferably at 50-60 Hz.
If that does not work, you need bigger surrounds, something that is good down to 60-70 Hz. And "tuning" your room will pay big dividends. Using something like REW will help immensely.
And the SVS sub I recommended is a very nice piece, you oughta buy it. Then you could run two subs which will generally help overall bass response in the room...
-RW-
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Post by incloud on Jun 30, 2013 19:49:17 GMT -5
Good advice but as far as surrounds, I am stuck with the Quintets because they are all that will fit. I got a UMC-1 today but haven't hooked it up yet. I'm going to see how much of an improvement I get with it and then determine if a sub is in order. Came home from vacation today with over a thousand dollars damage due to my reef tank springing a leak. Smoked my pump, burnt out my led controller, trashed my carpet and also smoked my networking equipment, no sub this week.
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Post by frenchyfranky on Jul 1, 2013 10:35:57 GMT -5
Good advice but as far as surrounds, I am stuck with the Quintets because they are all that will fit. I got a UMC-1 today but haven't hooked it up yet. I'm going to see how much of an improvement I get with it and then determine if a sub is in order. Came home from vacation today with over a thousand dollars damage due to my reef tank springing a leak. Smoked my pump, burnt out my led controller, trashed my carpet and also smoked my networking equipment, no sub this week. The vacation spirit, it's only a mirage in most case. |
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Post by scrappydue on Jul 1, 2013 23:01:26 GMT -5
I just bought an sb12nsd and I must say I love it for my icon w theater. It's great for medium sized living room. Although I have owned a sub-12 before and to me they are kind of a one note sub. Svs is a much higher quality product. I own the sb12nsd as well as two pb-13 ultras in my main theater.
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Post by incloud on Jul 1, 2013 23:17:11 GMT -5
With the umc-1 it is a night and day difference but the sub is still not what I want. My icon w set sounds amazing now though. I am going to order the sb12 next week when I get out of ruin. What icon w's are you running? Curious how you have them set up.
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Post by leonski on Nov 15, 2013 23:55:41 GMT -5
It is possible you could make use of a 'mid bass' driver like this one from HSU Research. www.hsuresearch.com/products/mbm-12mk2.htmlLook closely at the placement advice in the 'blurb' and decide how that plays into your current problem…. |
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