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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 9:59:14 GMT -5
>> "Just a movie" is no excuse for racism. And if you think it is a legitimate excuse then perhaps you should check yourself. <<
Depicting racism as it existed back in those days is NOT racist, do you really not understand that?
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 5, 2013 10:12:09 GMT -5
I agree with GaryCook and PaintedKlown and I enjoyed the movie. And I must admit that I'm about sick and tired of seeing white folks trying to outdo each other with their political correctness. As the Brits say "Give it a rest, luv..." >> While unrelated, it's notable that Food Network icon Paula Deen's entire empire has been taken down because she uttered that same word some 20 years ago. << And this makes my point rather well. Paula Deen is being excoriated by, essentially, the white community so that they can improve their street cred among other guilt-ridden whites. The fact of the matter is that Paula Deen is not a racist and yet she is being taken to task for something she said well over 2 decades ago. Talk about a tempest in a teapot! If using "the N-word" - Lord I *hate* that term - is wrong, then it's wrong for everyone. And black rappers and many in the black community should not get a pass on this - but they do! To hold a white person to a different standard is, plain and simple, racist... -RW- I have Django but haven't watched it yet but after reading the thread I've got to watch it soon. Just some thoughts - Tarantino's movies are indeed over the top, which to me makes them funny because the characters are so overdone, sort of like Seinfeld on hyperdrive. If you take the movies literally/seriously, then I can understand why someone would be offended by them. I grew up an Asian American in a neighborhood that was about 98-99% black. Back then black people were referred to as "Negroes" or "colored people" and it wasn't meant to be an offensive term. What was offensive was if any reference to them was used in a derogatory way based on the tone used or context in which it was said. And back then, we all used the "N" word (even me) and since we were all on good terms with each other it was taken as just an informal way of addressing or referring to someone. No one took offense as long as it wasn't used in a manner that clearly meant to be an insult. Someone who wasn't familiar with this would have probably been very offended and would have chastized all of us for speaking that way to each other. In no way am I trying to condone racism and these days when the "N" word is used, it is normally in a derogatory way so I detest this, especially when I think of my childhood and how unbelievably bad many of the people I grew up with were treated simply because of the color of their skin. I have been a victim myself, though not nearly as bad or as frequent. But I say you have to look at the context of the situation. These days "oriental" is not PC. You're supposed to use "Asian." But a rose is still a rose. If some well meaning person refers to me as an oriental, or even makes reference to the word "Jap" which is considered highly offensive, I always look to the context because some people simply don't realize these are offensive terms. I'll point it out to them but it is quite different from someone who refers to me as an "Asian" in a derogatory way. Lastly, just an observation... it seems the people who are most offended by WalMart's employment policies are the people who don't work there. |
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Post by mfeust on Jul 5, 2013 10:13:34 GMT -5
"Just a movie" is no excuse for racism. And if you think it is a legitimate excuse then perhaps you should check yourself. As far as Tarantino is concerned, he's a hack who had one great idea. I have only liked one of his movies (Pulp Fiction) and that was because of the writing, not the film making, which was forced and amateurish. I only tried to watch Django because my wife wanted to see it. We were both completely offended and grossed out by it. Never again. If YOU believe the intent of this movie was racism. Then my advice to YOU is to check yourself. I will say it again. It is just a movie. Mark |
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Post by The Mad Norseman on Jul 5, 2013 11:09:30 GMT -5
I've got this one in my Blu-ray queue to watch eventually, but may need to push it up further to the front now!
But I would like to add that anyone that regards the slavery history as portrayed in this film as being "realistic", "typical", or "as it really was" is fooling themselves - its a Tarantino film guys!
Consume it for what it is...
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Post by DYohn on Jul 5, 2013 11:14:00 GMT -5
But I would like to add that anyone that regards the slavery history as portrayed in this film as being "realistic", "typical", or "as it really was" is fooling themselves - its a Tarantino film guys!Consume it for what it is... Exactly, and to me "what it is" is a complete piece of shite.  |
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Post by Porscheguy on Jul 5, 2013 11:23:14 GMT -5
As I said, I didn't think the movie was that good. QT had a chance to really make a statement about our history, but instead of a character study, it ended up being a caricature study. What really bugs me is he got a pass all in the name of entertainment. Paula Deen did not...
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Post by Porscheguy on Jul 5, 2013 11:28:47 GMT -5
I agree with GaryCook and PaintedKlown and I enjoyed the movie. And I must admit that I'm about sick and tired of seeing white folks trying to outdo each other with their political correctness. As the Brits say "Give it a rest, luv..." >> While unrelated, it's notable that Food Network icon Paula Deen's entire empire has been taken down because she uttered that same word some 20 years ago. << And this makes my point rather well. Paula Deen is being excoriated by, essentially, the white community so that they can improve their street cred among other guilt-ridden whites. The fact of the matter is that Paula Deen is not a racist and yet she is being taken to task for something she said well over 2 decades ago. Talk about a tempest in a teapot! If using "the N-word" - Lord I *hate* that term - is wrong, then it's wrong for everyone. And black rappers and many in the black community should not get a pass on this - but they do! To hold a white person to a different standard is, plain and simple, racist... -RW- I have Django but haven't watched it yet but after reading the thread I've got to watch it soon. Just some thoughts - Tarantino's movies are indeed over the top, which to me makes them funny because the characters are so overdone, sort of like Seinfeld on hyperdrive. If you take the movies literally/seriously, then I can understand why someone would be offended by them. I'll bet you a cheap sandwich that if some conservative studio or someone like Mel Gibson made that exact same movie, It would have been excoriated beyond belief. People would be calling for it to be banned.. |
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Post by DYohn on Jul 5, 2013 11:41:59 GMT -5
As I said, I didn't think the movie was that good. QT had a chance to really make a statement about our history, but instead of a character study, it ended up being a caricature study. What really bugs me is he got a pass all in the name of entertainment. Paula Deen did not... And he should not have. |
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Post by deltadube on Jul 5, 2013 12:12:24 GMT -5
Django...
i thought this movie was fantastics.. great entertainment... the best movie i rented in the last yr..
great sound and lots of action..
being a Canadian i look at this movie as a true representation of how it was in the southern states..
its how it was ...
then one great man changed that, think his name was Abraham Lincoln...
movie even has a happy ending!
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Post by stiehl11 on Jul 5, 2013 12:30:41 GMT -5
Maybe Fox News can pick Paula Dean up as a color commentator?
No one has stopped Paula Dean from being a chef/cook. No one has taken away her ability to publish (or even self publish). No one has stopped Paula Dean from being able to broadcast herself. And, no one has taken away the Paula Dean that made Paula Dean, Paula Dean. If enough people buy her books, eat her food and watch her broadcast (may have to move to the Internet for a short period) someone is going to recognize there's still money to be made and front the cash to get her back out to the masses.
Give the Paula Dean thing a rest.
As for the movie, I enjoyed it and it was "laugh out loud" funny in a couple of places. The hot iron while Django was chained was truly cringe worthy (almost like the torture seen in the most recent Casino Royale). While it's no Pulp Fiction or Kill Bill (vol. 1) it was a decent movie. This was not QT's first movie so no one who went to the show should have been offended. And, unless you went to see it at a pre-screening or live under a rock there's this new-fangled site out there that's called IMDB.com. There you can find all about the violence/language/drug use/nudity (without spoilers) of a movie before you go. I was all hip to take my daughter to see Watchmen (she was 10 at the time) but a quick review at IMDB to see how much translated from the comic to the screen and I nixed those plans. Unfortunately, the guy who brought his small kids (estimated at 5 & 7) to see the (R-rated) film didn't and left during the child molester scene. Parenting at its best.
So, I'll retire from my review with this movie quote: "Shana, they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash".
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Post by Porscheguy on Jul 5, 2013 12:44:01 GMT -5
Maybe Fox News can pick Paula Dean up as a color commentator? No one has stopped Paula Dean from being a chef/cook. No one has taken away her ability to publish (or even self publish). No one has stopped Paula Dean from being able to broadcast herself. And, no one has taken away the Paula Dean that made Paula Dean, Paula Dean. If enough people buy her books, eat her food and watch her broadcast (may have to move to the Internet for a short period) someone is going to recognize there's still money to be made and front the cash to get her back out to the masses. Give the Paula Dean thing a rest. As for the movie, I enjoyed it and it was "laugh out loud" funny in a couple of places. The hot iron while Django was chained was truly cringe worthy (almost like the torture seen in the most recent Casino Royale). While it's no Pulp Fiction or Kill Bill (vol. 1) it was a decent movie. This was not QT's first movie so no one who went to the show should have been offended. And, unless you went to see it at a pre-screening or live under a rock there's this new-fangled site out there that's called IMDB.com. There you can find all about the violence/language/drug use/nudity (without spoilers) of a movie before you go. I was all hip to take my daughter to see Watchmen (she was 10 at the time) but a quick review at IMDB to see how much translated from the comic to the screen and I nixed those plans. Unfortunately, the guy who brought his small kids (estimated at 5 & 7) to see the (R-rated) film didn't and left during the child molester scene. Parenting at its best. So, I'll retire from my review with this movie quote: "Shana, they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash". It still was a bad movie, and the overall consensus here agrees. Give Paula Deen a rest? I have never spoken about her in my entire life until the 3 sentences in this, "my" thread. You obviously think there is a cultural dichotomy between the two. I don't....... |
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Post by stiehl11 on Jul 5, 2013 12:57:55 GMT -5
It was a good film; not a great film. Because 15 people agree with you doesn't make it any different. And, if you've only only spoken about Paula Dean 3 times in your life then why are you speaking about her now? You could make your point using several (and I do mean several) other people who have lost their popularity because of something they said about race.
And, please quit with the school yard, "it's my ball" stuff. This is a forum. If you don't want to hear dissenting opinions, write a blog.
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Post by badjerjim on Jul 5, 2013 13:01:43 GMT -5
>> While unrelated, it's notable that Food Network icon Paula Deen's entire empire has been taken down because she uttered that same word some 20 years ago. << And this makes my point rather well. Paula Deen is being excoriated by, essentially, the white community so that they can improve their street cred among other guilt-ridden whites. The fact of the matter is that Paula Deen is not a racist and yet she is being taken to task for something she said well over 2 decades ago. Talk about a tempest in a teapot! If using "the N-word" - Lord I *hate* that term - is wrong, then it's wrong for everyone. And black rappers and many in the black community should not get a pass on this - but they do! To hold a white person to a different standard is, plain and simple, racist... -RW- Okay, this is way off topic from hiFi, but I'll throw in my 2-cents: I'm a writer by trade, and my work has been (translated and) published in magazines on 5 continents. I know the power of words, and specific words arranged in a certain way. Consider this sentence: "My wife drives a red Mustang." While only 6 words, the sentence conveys a variety of information: 1) I'm married (have a wife), 2) My wife can drive a car, and likely has a valid driver's license, 3) The car is a Ford Mustang, and 4) The color is red. Immediately, in your mind... you probably know what a Ford Mustang looks like, and you can clearly imagine the color red for that car. Your brain uses those words to construct a mental image. That's what language and communication is all about. Now consider this sentence: "Paula Deen used the N-word." Here's the information: 1) Paula Deen is a person, 2) she spoke a word, and 3) the word in question was the N-word. Hmm. Immediately, your brain scans for the exact association for the term "N-word." And your brain knows EXACTLY the word used. Though mass media (TV, magazines, newspapers) CANNOT use the derogatory precise "N-word" - the communication is clear. Using the Politically-Correct term "N-word" for spoken and printed communication is exactly the same as using the forbidden word itself. Now... back to hiFi. |
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Post by Porscheguy on Jul 5, 2013 13:12:04 GMT -5
It was a good film; not a great film. Because 15 people agree with you doesn't make it any different. And, if you've only only spoken about Paula Dean 3 times in your life then why are you speaking about her now? You could make your point using several (and I do mean several) other people who have lost their popularity because of something they said about race. And, please quit with the school yard, "it's my ball" stuff. This is a forum. If you don't want to hear dissenting opinions, write a blog. I mention her because she is front and center in the news right now for using that word 20 years ago. She got shelled for doing it. Mel Gibson used some poor language 5-6 years ago, same thing. If you ask me, its a conservative liberal thing. Some people can use that word without reprisal - but others can't. And you cannot make the history argument because all agree that DU is mostly over the top entertainment.. As for your "its my ball" comment, please don't come into any thread and tell people what they can and cannot say. You are not in charge. I have a right to express my opinion about Paula Deen if I want. You no like? Don't participate. |
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Post by stiehl11 on Jul 5, 2013 13:15:41 GMT -5
It was a good film; not a great film. Because 15 people agree with you doesn't make it any different. And, if you've only only spoken about Paula Dean 3 times in your life then why are you speaking about her now? You could make your point using several (and I do mean several) other people who have lost their popularity because of something they said about race. And, please quit with the school yard, "it's my ball" stuff. This is a forum. If you don't want to hear dissenting opinions, write a blog. I mention her because she is front and center in the news right now for using that word 20 years ago. She got shelled for doing it. Mel Gibson used some poor language 5-6 years ago, same thing. If you ask me, its a conservative liberal thing. Some people can use that word without reprisal - but others can't. And you cannot make the history argument because all agree that DU is mostly over the top entertainment.. As for your "its my ball" comment, don't come into any thread and tell people what they can and cannot say. You are not in charge. I have a right to express my opinion about Paula Deen if I want. You no like? Go away... I don't think I've told you what to say. I'm sorry that you have an overdeveloped sense of ego and think that I am. And, now, I'm expressing my general (not directed) opinion... Give it a rest. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Jul 5, 2013 14:58:16 GMT -5
I had a great time with this movie. 8/10. I put it right behind Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill Vol. 1 as my favorite Tarantino films. The Kill Bill's and Pulp Fiction, in my opinion, are miles ahead. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Jul 5, 2013 15:00:13 GMT -5
I wasn't impressed either as noted by the blu-ray being ejected about an hour in and being replaced with "The Last Stand", which I did enjoy. THATS exactly what I did. Even replaced it with the same movie you did...... Django is terrible movie I'm just glad I only spent $1 to rent it from RedBox.  |
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Post by deltadube on Jul 5, 2013 16:08:32 GMT -5
THATS exactly what I did. Even replaced it with the same movie you did...... Django is terrible movie I'm just glad I only spent $1 to rent it from RedBox. rent a movie for a buck wow you got it made in America! cost me a 1.50.. cheers |
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Post by The Mad Norseman on Jul 5, 2013 16:28:05 GMT -5
I had a great time with this movie. 8/10. I put it right behind Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill Vol. 1 as my favorite Tarantino films. The Kill Bill's and Pulp Fiction, in my opinion, are miles ahead. Hey lc! - what happened to your Avatar?!  (Ads now instead of 'ol JN?). |
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Post by paintedklown on Jul 5, 2013 21:20:12 GMT -5
DU as a film is not racist. It's a fictitious work of art with paid actors playing as fictitious characters saying made up dialogue. Does it depict racism? Yes, without a doubt, it depicts horrific examples of racism, but that doesn't mean the film is a piece of racist propaganda. It is not real, it is a film designed to evoke an emotional response by being provocative. It does a very good job at doing just that, as the discussion here proves. I get tired of the liberal media pulling the race card every 15 minutes, crying foul, and spewing out false outrage at everything that happens. We get it already, if you aren't a minority of some sort, or agreeing with every word of the liberal media agenda, then your freedom of speech doesn't exist. Even with the current political climate regarding race issues, the media didn't attack Tarantino or his masterpiece film because even they realized there is nothing to attack. If you don't like the film, then do not buy it, rent it, watch it, or recommend it to your friends. Isn't that what the liberals like to say when they invoke the 1st amendment? Comparing fictitious film dialogue said by paid actors to the Paula Deen controversy is not even a viable argument IMO. Paula Deen is NOT a fictional character, she is a real person who is not acting, nor being paid to say things written by someone else. It's not even close to being the same thing. I know absolutely nothing about Paula Deen, so I will not comment on weather or not I believe she is really racist. That is for her fans to decide. Vote with your dollars! This post is not aimed at anyone, and I hope no one feels like it is, but come on guys...it's only a movie, really. You have the choice as an adult to watch and enjoy, or move on to something that better suits your personal sensibilities. |
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