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Post by blkman0072 on Jul 6, 2013 3:18:08 GMT -5
Well is intresting. People hate the movie and I loved it. Why can some people use a word and others not? Some of it might be because how and where you grew up. I know being black I was called that because i went to a 85% white school. when a kid got mad I was one. To diff people the word has diff meanings. Does that make it rite. Not sure but I kno when someone calls me that whats the meaning behind it. The movie brings some of the issues behind the meaning and also pokes fun at diff things. Its the mindset and some people will never understand until they grow up being blk. the movies has some undertones that are still true today so I always find it intresting when people talk about its done and over. Slavey is but issues that stem from it are not. Im 41 and I still get remarks on XBOX live from white men about how they have a tree and a rope and how lucky I am that Im not close to them. How many of you here have had that said to them? The beauty is we can agree to not agree. Think about how many blks were cheering when he shot that guy and said - I LIKE THE WAY YOU DIE BOY. We as blks talk about issues that still go on. WHY are people running from someone that said something yrs ago. Because really some people hide the way they are so they can make money. there are a lot of gay men hiding that they are gay so they can make money. I knew a fireman that did even from his wife for yrs. Is that everyone- nope but how are we to know.
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Post by paintedklown on Jul 6, 2013 4:02:42 GMT -5
when a kid got mad I was one. When someone resorts to trying to shame you for the color of your skin, then they have effectively shown how dumb they are. They have ran out of (or never had) any sort of intellectual counter-point to add to the discussion, so they make an easy attack. When you have to stoop to personal insults to feel you have "won", then you are truly a loser. Im 41 and I still get remarks on XBOX live from white men about how they have a tree and a rope and how lucky I am that Im not close to them. How many of you here have had that said to them? While I have never been told this specifically (I am white), I have been made fun of relentlessly for my weight (obese guy) my entire life. Once again, it's simply an easy attack for those that lack the ability to have a real debate/conversation with someone who may have a different point of view. It's a sad state of affairs when you are judged by your looks, and NOT by your character. Always keep in mind that the internet contains millions of "trolls" who are out there to do nothing more than try to drag others down (in a personal way) in an attempt to make themselves feel superior. Ignore the haters, and keep on doing what you do man. BTW, I am curious (as I am sure others are as well) to know your feelings about DU. I don't understand why there are those who are getting upset about the dialogue in DU, when Pulp Fiction didn't even raise an eyebrow with the scenes in which Jules and Vincent arrive at Jimmy's (Tarantino) house. Remember what kind of sign he doesn't have, or what his business isn't? It's Tarantino. Everyone knows that he isn't racist at all IRL, these are simply fictional characters. |
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Post by klinemj on Jul 6, 2013 5:30:57 GMT -5
Well said, PK...in your point about "It's a fictitious work of art with paid actors playing as fictitious characters saying made up dialogue. Does it depict racism? Yes, without a doubt, it depicts horrific examples of racism, but that doesn't mean the film is a piece of racist propaganda. It is not real, it is a film designed to evoke an emotional response by being provocative. It does a very good job at doing just that, as the discussion here proves."
As blkman0072 points out, "ism's" on "phobias" are still alive and well in real life. Racism, homophobia, and all forms of hate exist. I think it's good that we talk about them (in a rationale, adult, civilized way) because this helps us get to levels of understanding that will - hopefully - get us past the "top level/visible" differences between us and work more on leveraging the "invisible" differences that make us all special.
As far as the movie, DU, I've not seen it yet, but all the talk makes me want to check it out.
As a related aside - two great examples of portraying racism to great effect: Blazing Saddles and Dave Chappelle's bit on the blind white supremacist. To me, each made excellent points that racism is a trained behavior (which means it can be un-trained!) and how simple-minded (aka, "stupid") racists/haters in general are...and each did so to great comedic effect.
Mark
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Post by Porscheguy on Jul 6, 2013 6:32:41 GMT -5
I want to thank all of you for handling yourselves in a polite, professional manner as we discuss an obviously sensitive subject. It is so important that we can agree to disagree without this (or any other) thread descending into a morass of name calling and finger pointing, again as the OP I appreciate that. Lord knows I ve had my share of threads locked in the past few years!  |
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Post by paintedklown on Jul 6, 2013 11:04:09 GMT -5
Thanks Mark. IMO, a work of art is a work of art, nothing more, nothing less. Does the art always appeal to everyone? Absolutely not, but taste in film is like taste in music, it's all subjective opinion. I take no issue with those on here who do not like DU, I just didn't like to see the race card being pulled in this instance. As a related aside - two great examples of portraying racism to great effect: Blazing Saddles and Dave Chappelle's bit on the blind white supremacist. To me, each made excellent points that racism is a trained behavior (which means it can be un-trained!) and how simple-minded (aka, "stupid") racists/haters in general are...and each did so to great comedic effect. I too find Blazing Saddles and Dave Chapelle to be very funny. The comedy comes not from the racism, but for highlighting how obscenely absurd racism is when viewed from the third person. DU has several moments of such absurdity, with the most memorable being a scene making fun of the Klan with a cameo from a very famous Jewish comedian. IMO the idea behind these types of shows and films, is the creators attempting show how ridiculous it is to hate someone simply for being a different race. Hopefully this depiction will cause those types of people to pause and really think about what they are saying/doing, and realize that their behavior does NOT make them superior at all. In fact, it's plain to see that it really is down right laughable to act in such a silly manner. If you can get the hate mongers to laugh at these types of scenes, then you are (hopefully) getting through to them. They are then having to come face to face (so-to-speak) with the reality of how you appear when you act like that. The racists appear foolish (as they are) and that's the point to the movies/shows that tackle it head on like this. |
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Post by blkman0072 on Jul 7, 2013 4:10:37 GMT -5
Well said everyone. Racism is a joke that this movie like others in the past and people have been doing stand up about for years. Now to those that watched the whole movie- You didnt think the part was funny when the guys were arguing about the pillowcases being over their heads and the eye holes were to small so they couldnt see? Then it was said you dont need to see. Just follow what Im telling you blindly. If you missed that part or couldnt watch it because of words your probably missing out. ITS a STUPID FUNNY movie and the language was correct for the period. Just turn the word counter off and remember its not a personal attack on you unless deep inside your like that but dont want people to know. Ive known racist people that have a blk friend or two just so when the issue comes up they throw that out. I call them closet racist. They are to afraid to come out the closet. How many have seen harlem knights? Some of the same issues diff era and a very funny movie and I like DU just a lil more. How much- Did a midnight showing then saw it again that sat. then had it on redbox both edition first day it was out. WHAT they never seen a N on a horse? NOPE GUESS NOT-LOL!
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