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Post by Porscheguy on Aug 23, 2013 9:23:41 GMT -5
I listened to this amp for about an hour and I thought it was nice, but short on dynamics and deep tight bass. If you're into lower volumes and music thats not too demanding from a dynamic point of listening, it would be a good choice as long as your speakers are super efficient. Sonically it did not sound any better than any SS Emotiva offering. As to the review, I have no idea what liquid textures, romantic mids, and textural suaveness are. Nice sounding platitudes at best. I owned Fisher and HH Scott tube amps in the past and currently have 3 guitar amps that are tube. I can tell you that vacuum tubes by their very nature are wildly inconsistent. Matching and biasing can be problematic. But if your a tube guy you don't care. You love them and that why we have choices in audio.
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Post by DYohn on Aug 23, 2013 9:28:05 GMT -5
As to the review, I have no idea what liquid textures, romantic mids, and textural suaveness are. Those are all measured with a BS Meter.
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Post by Jim on Aug 23, 2013 9:33:02 GMT -5
As to the review, I have no idea what liquid textures, romantic mids, and textural suaveness are. Those are all measured with a BS Meter. Yeah, and it's clipping!
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Post by Porscheguy on Aug 23, 2013 9:33:28 GMT -5
As to the review, I have no idea what liquid textures, romantic mids, and textural suaveness are. Those are all measured with a BS Meter. I think most pro reviewers keep their own special "thesaurus" at the ready with all those lovely descriptive adjectives....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 9:37:03 GMT -5
Just IMO, professional reviews are complete BS.
Waste of time reading them.
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Post by KeithL on Aug 23, 2013 9:51:58 GMT -5
Tubes sound like tubes... Personally I prefer the accuracy and neutrality of a good solid state amp to any tube design (because, yes, tubes DO add coloration - which is what tube lovers love ) All that said, most of that soap opera terminology refers to the fact that tube amps add a bit of euphonic distortion (second harmonic distortion is usually described as "adding fullness or smoothness to the midrange"; and, once yu hear it, you'll probably agree that it's a fair way to describe it... sort of like describing the taste of whiskey as "smoky"). Triodes, especially SETs, add a LOT of second harmonic THD - and so sound a LOT that way. You would either describe most of them as sounding "smooth and romantic" or "goopy" and "syrupy" - depending on whether you like it or not. Even many tube lovers agree that SETs sound " TOO tubey". By tube amp standards, the little Black Magic has a rather more modern sound. It has a bit of "tube sound", but still sounds punchy and rather tight - and it sounds a lot more powerful than you'd think from the numbers. It plays quite satisfactorily loud in our good-sized two-channel listening room with "normal efficiency" speakers - not rock-concert loud but plenty loud for intimate chamber music or vocals... and even loud enough for classic rock (as long as you don't need to be able to annoy the neighbors). It also has some modern circuit enhancements designed to make it less fussy about bias. They actually sound rather consistent, and are very reliable... and we even give a warranty on the tubes (But you can't roll output tubes - because it uses MIL-SPEC ones with a higher voltage rating than "normal" ones. However, you can roll the 12AX7 to your heart's content.) I listened to this amp for about an hour and I thought it was nice, but short on dynamics and deep tight bass. If you're into lower volumes and music thats not too demanding from a dynamic point of listening, it would be a good choice as long as your speakers are super efficient. Sonically it did not sound any better than any SS Emotiva offering. As to the review, I have no idea what liquid textures, romantic mids, and textural suaveness are. Nice sounding platitudes at best. I owned Fisher and HH Scott tube amps in the past and currently have 3 guitar amps that are tube. I can tell you that vacuum tubes by their very nature are wildly inconsistent. Matching and biasing can be problematic. But if your a tube guy you don't care. You love them and that why we have choices in audio.
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Post by monkumonku on Aug 23, 2013 10:01:16 GMT -5
I listened to this amp for about an hour and I thought it was nice, but short on dynamics and deep tight bass. If you're into lower volumes and music thats not too demanding from a dynamic point of listening, it would be a good choice as long as your speakers are super efficient. Sonically it did not sound any better than any SS Emotiva offering. As to the review, I have no idea what liquid textures, romantic mids, and textural suaveness are. Nice sounding platitudes at best. I owned Fisher and HH Scott tube amps in the past and currently have 3 guitar amps that are tube. I can tell you that vacuum tubes by their very nature are wildly inconsistent. Matching and biasing can be problematic. But if your a tube guy you don't care. You love them and that why we have choices in audio. I guess you're just not a chocolatey organic kind of guy.
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Post by Porscheguy on Aug 23, 2013 10:06:43 GMT -5
Tubes sound like tubes... Personally I prefer the accuracy and neutrality of a good solid state amp to any tube design (because, yes, tubes DO add coloration - which is what tube lovers love ) All that said, most of that soap opera terminology refers to the fact that tube amps add a bit of euphonic distortion (second harmonic distortion is usually described as "adding fullness or smoothness to the midrange"; and, once yu hear it, you'll probably agree that it's a fair way to describe it... sort of like describing the taste of whiskey as "smoky"). Triodes, especially SETs, add a LOT of second harmonic THD - and so sound a LOT that way. You would either describe most of them as sounding "smooth and romantic" or "goopy" and "syrupy" - depending on whether you like it or not. Even many tube lovers agree that SETs sound " TOO tubey". By tube amp standards, the little Black Magic has a rather more modern sound. It has a bit of "tube sound", but still sounds punchy and rather tight - and it sounds a lot more powerful than you'd think from the numbers. It plays quite satisfactorily loud in our good-sized two-channel listening room with "normal efficiency" speakers - not rock-concert loud but plenty loud for intimate chamber music or vocals... and even loud enough for classic rock (as long as you don't need to be able to annoy the neighbors). It also has some modern circuit enhancements designed to make it less fussy about bias. They actually sound rather consistent, and are very reliable... and we even give a warranty on the tubes (But you can't roll output tubes - because it uses MIL-SPEC ones with a higher voltage rating than "normal" ones. However, you can roll the 12AX7 to your heart's content.) I listened to this amp for about an hour and I thought it was nice, but short on dynamics and deep tight bass. If you're into lower volumes and music thats not too demanding from a dynamic point of listening, it would be a good choice as long as your speakers are super efficient. Sonically it did not sound any better than any SS Emotiva offering. As to the review, I have no idea what liquid textures, romantic mids, and textural suaveness are. Nice sounding platitudes at best. I owned Fisher and HH Scott tube amps in the past and currently have 3 guitar amps that are tube. I can tell you that vacuum tubes by their very nature are wildly inconsistent. Matching and biasing can be problematic. But if your a tube guy you don't care. You love them and that why we have choices in audio. I certainly did not want to infer that I thought the Black Magic wasn't nice sounding - it is. I have guitar tube amps because of they way they harmonically distort. Nothing better for that sound. I have a SS guitar amp that has tube modeling or emulation. These amps have come along way in the past 10 years, but no match for tube amps "browning out". If you want squeaky clean sounds solid state amps are the ones. I had a Roland Jazz Chorus that was perfect for that, but the distortion sounded like a bad fuzz box. Tubes are technology from yesteryear IMHO. Time and technology march forward. Hey, most people drive cars now, not horses...
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Post by Porscheguy on Aug 23, 2013 10:08:15 GMT -5
I listened to this amp for about an hour and I thought it was nice, but short on dynamics and deep tight bass. If you're into lower volumes and music thats not too demanding from a dynamic point of listening, it would be a good choice as long as your speakers are super efficient. Sonically it did not sound any better than any SS Emotiva offering. As to the review, I have no idea what liquid textures, romantic mids, and textural suaveness are. Nice sounding platitudes at best. I owned Fisher and HH Scott tube amps in the past and currently have 3 guitar amps that are tube. I can tell you that vacuum tubes by their very nature are wildly inconsistent. Matching and biasing can be problematic. But if your a tube guy you don't care. You love them and that why we have choices in audio. I guess you're just not a chocolatey organic kind of guy. You are so texturally suave.
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Post by mgbpuff on Aug 23, 2013 11:36:50 GMT -5
Look, I thought Lounge members would like the convenience of seeing a 3rd party magazine review of a Jade Co. product. I know, some of you don't care for technical discussions, you depend on your ears; and some of you are all technical and don't want to hear subjective descriptions. You are a rough bunch! Guitar amps are a different beast, and you know it, but you still bring up these 'distortion' instruments as being typical of all tube amps. The Black Magic is push-pull so it eliminates all even distortion elements, thus it sounds closer to today's A/B solid state amps. Something is obsolete only if it is not being used, has no unique application, and is no longer in production. In case of a high EMP blast only Russian airplanes will be still flying around. Why is it that the flies are always attracted to the B.S.? Shoo!!!
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Post by Andrew Robinson on Aug 23, 2013 12:00:32 GMT -5
While I am likely opening myself up to some ridicule here, I wanted to comment on the use of "colorful" adjectives in professional reviews. Actually, first, can I just say, Ed, I don't get you sometime. I mean I have tremendous respect for you and think you're a character, but you're a hard man to nail down. Clearly you love Emotiva, you're what I've dubbed in the office as a super fan. Don't take that as a knock, believe me, high-end companies this industry over would kill for a customer spokesperson like you. I mean that. If more folks in this hobby were like you -okay maybe not JUST like you -it (the hobby) would likely be stronger for it. All that aside, I'm perplexed by your response to the Carver review. Now that Carver is a) part of the Emotiva family and b) has seen its prices slashed by half in most cases, I would think, despite maybe not liking tubes, that you'd see them (Carver products) in a similar light as you do Emotiva. I'm not saying that the Carver products should be given a "pass" based solely on their affiliations, but tube vs. solid state aside, there is a market for them (tubes) and to each their own. I suppose you're just voicing your opinion, and that's cool, it's just that the tone took me by surprise. If I misinterpreted your intentions then please excuse me. Okay, back to what I really wanted to discuss. Professional reviews. I'm of two minds when it comes to professional reviews, which is especially difficult for me given that, well, I'm a professional reviewer in some circles. On the one hand, for many they are a valuable resource for many and on the other, they can be complete and utter BS. Moreover, as time passes, I believe the need or importance of professional reviews are going to fall more and more by the wayside in favor of true user experience(s) like those shared on sites like this. I've said this for years, which why I was never that popular in certain circles. At the end of the day, what with sites like Yelp and the like -not to mention specialty forums such as this -who's opinion is likely going to carry more weight? The guy who gets everything sent to him for free, or Tom (fake name), a father of three earning $60K, who saved up to buy the one AV item a year he can afford. Tom's feelings towards said product, even if he isn't the biggest audiophile or greatest writer, are likely going to carry more weight in the long run for, well, others will relate. No one, and I mean this, no one relates to Sr. Editor What's His Nuts who says you have to drop everything and buy Wilson MAXXs because he did. All that being said, colorful adjectives, while sometimes silly, do have their place. They may not resonate with more knowledgeable folks like all of you reading this, but for people looking to join in on the fun, or get a few quick recommendations on where to focus their attention for their next purchase, they do help. Not everything can be a technical manual or black and white. I'm guilty of using colorful descriptors all the time, and I do it because along with trying to communicate the facts surrounding a product, I'm also trying to convey the emotional response I garnered from it as well. Technical specs are well and good, we know this, but when really trying to connect we always try and appeal to one's emotions. Do some of the descriptors get a little outlandish? Yeah, they do. But at the same time, it can be part of the fun. I don't think anyone should make their purchasing decision(s) based solely on a single review or point of view, which is why I urge folks to make up their own minds and use what I say merely as a guide, but nevertheless some folks go with what the pros tell them to do. This is why specialty AV publications still have some relevance from a sales perspective and will continue for the foreseeable future. But like I said earlier, it won't last forever. But also at the same time, it's okay for people to try and capture their excitement the best way they know how, even if, at times, we don't always agree with the word choices etc.
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Post by DYohn on Aug 23, 2013 12:08:03 GMT -5
Andrew: Colorful adjectives and subjective phrasing is fine. We all use it. But if they are the only things in a review, then the review is meaningless and would be equally effective by simply saying "I like it" or "I don't like it." If the point of a review is to communicate some information that might help a potential customer make a purchasing decision (and aren't they all really intended to be that?) then relying on subjective audiophile-type phrasing is a waste of space... which is pretty much how I feel about equipment reviews on web sites such as TAS and 6 Moons and Dagogo... nothing but superfluous verbal masturbation with very little meaningful or universal information about the actual product. But hey, as in all things to each his own and if that sort of thing appeals to you, knock yourself out.
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Post by bootman on Aug 23, 2013 12:29:59 GMT -5
Actually, first, can I just say, Ed, I don't get you sometime. I mean I have tremendous respect for you and think you're a character, but you're a hard man to nail down. Clearly you love Emotiva, you're what I've dubbed in the office as a super fan. Don't take that as a knock, believe me, high-end companies this industry over would kill for a customer spokesperson like you. I mean that. If more folks in this hobby were like you -okay maybe not JUST like you -it (the hobby) would likely be stronger for it. So there IS a list of posters you guys in the back throw darts at. Will there now be a Emotiva super fan roundtable section?
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Post by bootman on Aug 23, 2013 12:33:05 GMT -5
Tubes are technology from yesteryear IMHO. Time and technology march forward. Hey, most people drive cars now, not horses... Yet some hardcore sports car fans hate the modern PDKs in 911s and would rather have an "antique" 6 speed just for "feel" even though it doesn't perform better and no human can shift faster than the PDK can.
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Post by siggie on Aug 23, 2013 13:48:30 GMT -5
I don't read many professional audio reviews, but, from what I have read, they are all positive. I am guessing it is because the magazines/web sites rely on the manufacturers to send them free gear to allow them to have content and pay for advertising to allow them to make money. Bad reviews mean no more gear, less content, and less money. I seriously doubt that an audio magazine could even afford to buy equipment to review, much less a full-time audio journalist.
I know that's how it works for car magazines, where the manufacturers give the magazines free new cars for a year at a time and fly journalists all over the world and put them up in fancy hotels for new product releases. Every new car is great (much better than the model it replaced, which was also great when it was new). When there is a three car comparison article, one car is the best (price independent), one car is the best (price dependent), and the third car was a close runner up in a tight field of great cars. Then individual editors give their personal choice, and each car is someone's favorite.
No offense to Andrew, because he's just doing his job and I like his blog and posts on this board, but he works for Emotiva, gets free Emotiva gear, and "reviews" their products. How long would that last if he said they suck?
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Post by Andrew Robinson on Aug 23, 2013 14:05:06 GMT -5
No offense to Andrew, because he's just doing his job and I like his blog and posts on this board, but he works for Emotiva, gets free Emotiva gear, and "reviews" their products. How long would that last if he said they suck? Siggie True, I evaluate Emotiva products based on my experience with other brands, though I fully disclose my affiliation and even put a disclaimer before any Emotiva review. I'd like to think I'm still objective and I do commend the higher ups at Emotiva for not meddling in my personal opinions re: the products we make. For example; I liked the new Gen 2 XPA-5, but felt that if one already owned a Gen 1 version they needn't upgrade for fear of missing out for both amps are good. I also said that I prefer the XPA-1L to even the XPR-1, which Dan and Lonnie didn't ask me to change for fear of "hurting sales". As Dan so eloquently put it, it's just, like, my opinion man. That being said, a lot of the products I review lately apart from Emotiva (keep in mind my job at Emotiva isn't to review their products) I've purchased at full retail. Yes I'm still sent stuff for free, but I do try and balance it whenever possible. With anything in life, it's important to strike a balance. Like I told another reader a few days ago, I have nothing to hide, I play no games, for at the end of the day transparency is important to me.
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Post by Porscheguy on Aug 23, 2013 14:10:54 GMT -5
While I am likely opening myself up to some ridicule here, I wanted to comment on the use of "colorful" adjectives in professional reviews. Actually, first, can I just say, Ed, I don't get you sometime. I mean I have tremendous respect for you and think you're a character, but you're a hard man to nail down. Clearly you love Emotiva, you're what I've dubbed in the office as a super fan. Don't take that as a knock, believe me, high-end companies this industry over would kill for a customer spokesperson like you. I mean that. If more folks in this hobby were like you -okay maybe not JUST like you -it (the hobby) would likely be stronger for it. All that aside, I'm perplexed by your response to the Carver review. Now that Carver is a) part of the Emotiva family and b) has seen its prices slashed by half in most cases, I would think, despite maybe not liking tubes, that you'd see them (Carver products) in a similar light as you do Emotiva. I'm not saying that the Carver products should be given a "pass" based solely on their affiliations, but tube vs. solid state aside, there is a market for them (tubes) and to each their own. I suppose you're just voicing your opinion, and that's cool, it's just that the tone took me by surprise. If I misinterpreted your intentions then please excuse me. Okay, back to what I really wanted to discuss. Professional reviews. I'm of two minds when it comes to professional reviews, which is especially difficult for me given that, well, I'm a professional reviewer in some circles. On the one hand, for many they are a valuable resource for many and on the other, they can be complete and utter BS. Moreover, as time passes, I believe the need or importance of professional reviews are going to fall more and more by the wayside in favor of true user experience(s) like those shared on sites like this. I've said this for years, which why I was never that popular in certain circles. At the end of the day, what with sites like Yelp and the like -not to mention specialty forums such as this -who's opinion is likely going to carry more weight? The guy who gets everything sent to him for free, or Tom (fake name), a father of three earning $60K, who saved up to buy the one AV item a year he can afford. Tom's feelings towards said product, even if he isn't the biggest audiophile or greatest writer, are likely going to carry more weight in the long run for, well, others will relate. No one, and I mean this, no one relates to Sr. Editor What's His Nuts who says you have to drop everything and buy Wilson MAXXs because he did. All that being said, colorful adjectives, while sometimes silly, do have their place. They may not resonate with more knowledgeable folks like all of you reading this, but for people looking to join in on the fun, or get a few quick recommendations on where to focus their attention for their next purchase, they do help. Not everything can be a technical manual or black and white. I'm guilty of using colorful descriptors all the time, and I do it because along with trying to communicate the facts surrounding a product, I'm also trying to convey the emotional response I garnered from it as well. Technical specs are well and good, we know this, but when really trying to connect we always try and appeal to one's emotions. Do some of the descriptors get a little outlandish? Yeah, they do. But at the same time, it can be part of the fun. I don't think anyone should make their purchasing decision(s) based solely on a single review or point of view, which is why I urge folks to make up their own minds and use what I say merely as a guide, but nevertheless some folks go with what the pros tell them to do. This is why specialty AV publications still have some relevance from a sales perspective and will continue for the foreseeable future. But like I said earlier, it won't last forever. But also at the same time, it's okay for people to try and capture their excitement the best way they know how, even if, at times, we don't always agree with the word choices etc. I don't understand your bemusement. I said it was a nice amplifier that sounded great, whats wrong with that? But in my opinion tube circuits are older obsolete technology. Thats why 99% of all amplification is done with solid state. It's cheaper, more reliable can yield more power and for most, sounds better than an old tube circuit. Plus, the Black Magic 20 is what, 10 wpc? Not a lot of power for most modern music so you need super efficient speakers. I see nowhere where I made one disparaging remark. Emotiva is a company that has drenched it's entire business mantra on the idea of big power. It amazes me that this industry makes huge improvements in technology when it comes to amplifier design Class A, AB, D, G, H to name a few so I'm surprised anyone still likes tube technology. Look at Bob Carvers very own designs. Remember the Carver M400A power amp? A little 8" box making an ungodly (200 X 2 and 500 bridged) amounts of power. Bob was always about big power. The preamp side moves even faster with all sorts of codecs, Blue Tooth Streaming, circuit board interchangeability, isolated analogue circuits, multiple zones and on and on it goes. And look at the price drop in the Carver products. The BM-20 went from $6K or $7K to 2K literally overnight if I'm not mistaken. Thats why people make esoteric tube amps, margin. Thank god Dan doesn't roll that way..... I own a Fryette 100 Watt guitar amp. EL 34 power tubes, 12AX7 preamp tubes. 4 power tubes, 5 preamp tubes. A circuit board, transformer, 10 potentiometers a few switches and that's it. just a head, No speaker cabinet. So how much? List price is close to $5K and you can buy it for $4K. Margin, and a lot of it. To me tube amps in audio are nostalgic in the same way as old cars are. A 1955 T Bird is beautiful in it's own way but it is no match for a modern day vehicle because of the march of progress. Tube lovers will always embrace tube products and that's fine with me. You need to go back and reread what I said and please show where I said anything pejorative about the BM-20. I said it sounded great, but no better than any other Emo SS offering It's a 10 wpc amp... If someone wants to pay 2K for that it's fine with me. And please stop defending Emotiva at every turn. I might be wrong, but I'm sure it's not your job to second guess forum members. Funny, I say nice things about the BM-20 and you chastise me, yet the guy in another thread that called his UMC-200 a piece of junk, and empty box with a crappy remote control that had bad sound quality you defend. Who's the hard one to figure out, me or you? And please tell me what "romantic mids" are........ www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/fryette-pittbull-hundred-clx-100w-masterbuilt-tube-guitar-amp-head?source=3WWRWXGP&kwid=productads-plaid%255E57303580747-sku%255E582545000001000@ADL4MF-adType%255EPLA-device%255Ec-adid%255E30432506907
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Post by mgbpuff on Aug 23, 2013 14:13:30 GMT -5
Are you children or adults? Do you understand anything about life or human nature? If you are half way intelligent you can read between the lines when professional reviewers don't out and out diss a product but do offer a few criticisms. User testimonials are usually prejudiced also because no one wants to admit that his purchasing choice was less than wise. Read as much as you can before committing your hard earned cash. When I buy, I want to see pictures all around, pretty words about it, description of actual use in comparison to competing products, and specs to reaffirm its competent design.
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Post by geebo on Aug 23, 2013 14:15:51 GMT -5
While I am likely opening myself up to some ridicule here, I wanted to comment on the use of "colorful" adjectives in professional reviews. Actually, first, can I just say, Ed, I don't get you sometime. I mean I have tremendous respect for you and think you're a character, but you're a hard man to nail down. Clearly you love Emotiva, you're what I've dubbed in the office as a super fan. Don't take that as a knock, believe me, high-end companies this industry over would kill for a customer spokesperson like you. I mean that. If more folks in this hobby were like you -okay maybe not JUST like you -it (the hobby) would likely be stronger for it. All that aside, I'm perplexed by your response to the Carver review. Now that Carver is a) part of the Emotiva family and b) has seen its prices slashed by half in most cases, I would think, despite maybe not liking tubes, that you'd see them (Carver products) in a similar light as you do Emotiva. I'm not saying that the Carver products should be given a "pass" based solely on their affiliations, but tube vs. solid state aside, there is a market for them (tubes) and to each their own. I suppose you're just voicing your opinion, and that's cool, it's just that the tone took me by surprise. If I misinterpreted your intentions then please excuse me. Okay, back to what I really wanted to discuss. Professional reviews. I'm of two minds when it comes to professional reviews, which is especially difficult for me given that, well, I'm a professional reviewer in some circles. On the one hand, for many they are a valuable resource for many and on the other, they can be complete and utter BS. Moreover, as time passes, I believe the need or importance of professional reviews are going to fall more and more by the wayside in favor of true user experience(s) like those shared on sites like this. I've said this for years, which why I was never that popular in certain circles. At the end of the day, what with sites like Yelp and the like -not to mention specialty forums such as this -who's opinion is likely going to carry more weight? The guy who gets everything sent to him for free, or Tom (fake name), a father of three earning $60K, who saved up to buy the one AV item a year he can afford. Tom's feelings towards said product, even if he isn't the biggest audiophile or greatest writer, are likely going to carry more weight in the long run for, well, others will relate. No one, and I mean this, no one relates to Sr. Editor What's His Nuts who says you have to drop everything and buy Wilson MAXXs because he did. All that being said, colorful adjectives, while sometimes silly, do have their place. They may not resonate with more knowledgeable folks like all of you reading this, but for people looking to join in on the fun, or get a few quick recommendations on where to focus their attention for their next purchase, they do help. Not everything can be a technical manual or black and white. I'm guilty of using colorful descriptors all the time, and I do it because along with trying to communicate the facts surrounding a product, I'm also trying to convey the emotional response I garnered from it as well. Technical specs are well and good, we know this, but when really trying to connect we always try and appeal to one's emotions. Do some of the descriptors get a little outlandish? Yeah, they do. But at the same time, it can be part of the fun. I don't think anyone should make their purchasing decision(s) based solely on a single review or point of view, which is why I urge folks to make up their own minds and use what I say merely as a guide, but nevertheless some folks go with what the pros tell them to do. This is why specialty AV publications still have some relevance from a sales perspective and will continue for the foreseeable future. But like I said earlier, it won't last forever. But also at the same time, it's okay for people to try and capture their excitement the best way they know how, even if, at times, we don't always agree with the word choices etc.
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