What receiver could I use

[M4rtins]

I'm really confused on what receiver I should buy to use along with XPA-5.
I currently have Denon 1712 but it does not seem to have pre out support.

Looking at most of Denon amplifiers they only have one preout set, one white and one red rca input labeled as pre out.
Only when going to their high end receivers do I see lots of rca inputs labeled as pre outs, like center, front, surround etc.
This confuses me a bit as I don't understand how the connection is made between amp and receiver and what I would actually need.
On a budget, so cannot blow too much on a receiver, moving in to new home, wife would strangle me if I would buy high end receiver right now

[Deleted]

a Umc-200 would be a far better choice than a receiver

[creimes]

Your going to have to spend lots of cash to get a receiver with 7.1 preouts, my suggestion to you is buy either the UMC-200 at $499 or Sherbourn PT-7030 at $899 since you already have the 5 channels of amplification, these 2 are basically a receiver without the amplifier section and are called simply a processor.

Chad

[M4rtins]

First off I'll never go for 7.1, I'll just stick to 5.1 as I never bought into the two extra speakers, plus I have no room even if I ever wanted to.
Second am I understanding this right, that for example if you want to use XPA-5 you need a receiver that has 5 rca pre out inputs in the back of receiver ?
Each input for each speaker, has to be plugged in from emotiva to receiver ?

[creimes]

I as well only run 5.1 which is plenty good enough for me, anything newer will have 7.1 pre-outs but of course you can only use it as a 5.1, you seem to be stuck on a receiver and I'm not sure why if you already own an XPA-5, as mentioned all you need is the Emotiva UMC-200 processor or any brand processor for that matter but you might be hard pressed to find another brand that will fit within your budget.

Chad

[Darksky]

Do some reading and look at the features available on different versions of processors and receivers, once you have an idea of what you would like it to do, it will become easier to decide which one fits your needs. What do you want?
For example:
Radio tuner
Video functions
HDMI connectivity
Two channel and/or multi channel
Ability to connect and control storage

I like Sony receivers (the ES line) used as a processor. They work well for me. I think that eventually the XMC-1 from Emotiva is going to be something very good. There are lots of options.

Start with figuring out what you would like it to do.

Brad

[creimes]

I would have to spend $1000 or more to get a receiver here in Canada that will have 5.1/7. preouts and in my opinion will lack in SQ compared to a dedicated processor like the UMC-200 for a mere $499.

[M4rtins]

Thanks, I'll actually sit with coffee tomorrow morning and read a bit on UMC-200, I usually browse through forums, see what ppl write.
I would be interested what's the difference between UMC-200 and an actual receiver, for example video and sound processing, difference in sound.
UMC-200 is in my budget, but that Sherbourn PT-7030 is too much for now.

I was browsing through amazon.com and noticed this receiver www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007JOO4YS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER and noticed more inputs in the back, so that's what sparked my interest.
I see I still have lots to learn.

[GreenKiwi]

Nov 3, 2013 22:49:27 GMT -5 creimes said:

Your going to have to spend lots of cash to get a receiver with 7.1 preouts, my suggestion to you is buy either the UMC-200 at $499 or Sherbourn PT-7030 at $899 since you already have the 5 channels of amplification, these 2 are basically a receiver without the amplifier section and are called simply a processor.

Chad

Define lots or money, the Pioneer 1222 has preouts I believe and often goes for around $500-550

www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SC-1222-K-Channel-Network-Receiver/dp/B0083C8B30



What are you hoping to get out of new system that the current system isn't providing?

[kse]

Some of the lower end Yamaha receivers have preouts. I have been using a Yamaha receiver as a pre pro now for about 4yrs. Flawless.

Go here: usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/

[M4rtins]

To respond to Darksky:

I'm setting up new Home Theater, nothing too fancy,
I think I'll end up with Aperion Verus Forte towers, center and surrounds www.aperionaudio.com/, and Outlaw LMF-1 Plus sub, they won't be run at crazy volumes due to us moving into townhouse, so neighbours on one side of wall would not appreciate it.

Setup will mostly be for movies including:
HTPC run via hdmi,
PS3 run via hdmi,
Dvd player run via hdmi

[powxpa]

Nov 3, 2013 23:02:19 GMT -5 M4rtins said:

First off I'll never go for 7.1, I'll just stick to 5.1 as I never bought into the two extra speakers, plus I have no room even if I ever wanted to.
Second am I understanding this right, that for example if you want to use XPA-5 you need a receiver that has 5 rca pre out inputs in the back of receiver ?
Each input for each speaker, has to be plugged in from emotiva to receiver ?

If you still want a receiver that have preout, I have a Yamaha Aventage 810. I bought it about 16 months ago, but I rarely use it b/c I bought UMC 1 about a year ago.
It's like new condition, I still have all accessories, original box.
$450 plus shipping.

usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/aventage/rx-a810/

[creimes]

Receivers in your price range sell themselves with the features they have like Airplay or iPod connectivity and such, the UMC-200 sells itself with it's superior sound quality and a few of those features but not as vast as all those budget receivers out there, things like Airplay and all those big name features they throw on it are merely there to get you to buy it cause it has all these optional connectivity options that some but not many will use, you can add those types of things later with devices such as apple TV for example.


I at one time ran my system on a Yamaha RXV-1065 receiver and moved to separate processors and amplifiers and will never go back, you just need to spend too much on a receiver to get anything worthy, why buy a receiver and pay for the internal amplifier that you will never use right.....

Chad

[creimes]

Nov 3, 2013 23:19:35 GMT -5 GreenKiwi said:

Nov 3, 2013 22:49:27 GMT -5 creimes said:

Your going to have to spend lots of cash to get a receiver with 7.1 preouts, my suggestion to you is buy either the UMC-200 at $499 or Sherbourn PT-7030 at $899 since you already have the 5 channels of amplification, these 2 are basically a receiver without the amplifier section and are called simply a processor.

Chad

Define lots or money, the Pioneer 1222 has preouts I believe and often goes for around $500-550

www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SC-1222-K-Channel-Network-Receiver/dp/B0083C8B30



What are you hoping to get out of new system that the current system isn't providing?

I don't get those kind of prices here in Canada and I still think the UMC-200 would be superior in SQ over that Pioneer.

[garbulky]

You've spent a grand on an amp. Why are you looking for a reciever with a lesser amp section? The easy answer is don't buy a reciever. Buy a standalone processor (pre-pro). Otherwise whether you like it or not, the money you pay will be going towards a multichannel amp secton which you don't need rather than good sound quality from the DAC, linestage, and pre-amplifier sections.

For instance Emotiva UMC-200 is almost a no-brainer now. (It has a cheap bluetooth model you can buy for iphone connectivity)
There is also some of the sherbourn solutions.
If you don't care about room correction, lots of inputs (can't connect many devices to it) Oppo 93, 103, the 95, 105 are good choices.
Outlaw audio audiomodel 975
Here's some others
www.soundandvision.com/content/top-picks-processors-and-power-amps

[M4rtins]

Actually I'm shopping for used XPA-5, moving in January 30th so I have some time to find all of my components.

In the meantime I'm also trying to learn, we finally saved for our first house and we're moving out of my parents place, all I had was monitors hooked up to a receiver in our room.



What about sound and video processing, does UMC-200 do all of those without a problem ?

Do receivers like Denon and Onkyo have anything better to offer, once you take away those unnecessary things like bluetooth, ipod/iphone etc when it comes to sound and video processing ?

I see lots of topics on avs forum about people discussing Audyssey and some other audio topics when it comes to their receivers.

[novisnick]

Your new around audio and so was every one here at one time, I plead with you not to jump in so quick. Read all you can about the difference between a processor and an AVR, or as it is you call it, a receiver
I'm not trying to be rude but helpful. Processors don't waist money on amplifiers, they are separate and you own one of the best, XPA-5, so why waist money for a power receiver if your not going to use it, that's the point everyone is trying to get across, I believe.
I spent too much $ on a receiver before I learned this lesson. But then again I do have an 11.3 theater and enjoy it very much.
Good luck and please keep coming back, we're all here for you.

Peace,

Nick

[novisnick]

Nov 3, 2013 23:50:40 GMT -5 novisnick said:

Your new around audio and so was every one here at one time, I plead with you not to jump in so quick. Read all you can about the difference between a processor and an AVR, or as it is you call it, a receiver
I'm not trying to be rude but helpful. Processors don't waist money on amplifiers, they are separate and you own one of the best, XPA-5, so why waist money for a power receiver if your not going to use it, that's the point everyone is trying to get across, I believe.
I spent too much $ on a receiver before I learned this lesson. But then again I do have an 11.3 theater and enjoy it very much.
Good luck and please keep coming back, we're all here for you.

Peace,

Nick

Sorry, I just read what you posted while I was typing. I thought you already had the XPA-5, it's a great asset to any system, easily out perform any AVR that I know of.

Peace,

Nick

[M4rtins]

Thanks, I really appreciate the help, I like to know what I'm buying and what options I have.
I'll definitely sit with coffee tomorrow and read a bit more and try to get some knowledge.
I understand what you're all trying to say, AVR has an amp inside, which I won't use anyway since I'll have XPA-5, bunch of unncessary things, like facebook, or twitter or some apple garbage (not sure what as I never use any of the features)and then video/audio processing which is the only thing I will use out of it.
Now I gotta go read a bit about video/audio processing on UMC-200 on how well it does those things compared to regulaer AVR.
Thanks yet again.

[garbulky]

Nov 3, 2013 23:47:03 GMT -5 M4rtins said:

Actually I'm shopping for used XPA-5, moving in January 30th so I have some time to find all of my components.

In the meantime I'm also trying to learn, we finally saved for our first house and we're moving out of my parents place, all I had was monitors hooked up to a receiver in our room.



What about sound and video processing, does UMC-200 do all of those without a problem ?

Do receivers like Denon and Onkyo have anything better to offer, once you take away those unnecessary things like bluetooth, ipod/iphone etc when it comes to sound and video processing ?

I see lots of topics on avs forum about people discussing Audyssey and some other audio topics when it comes to their receivers.

"What about sound and video processing, does UMC-200 do all of those without a problem ?"
The UMC-200 does no video processing. That is upto your blu-ray player. (As I think it should be). It will passthrough the bluray video signal without altering it.

"Do receivers like Denon and Onkyo have anything better to offer, once you take away those unnecessary things like bluetooth, ipod/iphone etc when it comes to sound and video processing ?"
Not at the prices the ones I listed mentioned. UMC-200 has emo-q which is a form of room correction. I can't speak as to its ability as I have little experience with room correction. But it has a parametric equalizer that is supposed to be very flexible. From what I heard it was good.
Standalone processors exist for a reason. Because on average they are better than their reciever counterparts at the same price. Some more expensive processors also have robust room correction.


Remember it's not just amplifiers that count but the device that converts the digital 1's and 0's to the analog sound that goes to your amplifier. If you don't have the first step right the rest of the stuff won't improve it. In cheaper and mid-range AVR's sound quality of the DAC section isn't their main focus. It is features, number of channels etc. AVR's (recievers) are an exercise in lots and lots of compromise. Everything you get is compromised in some form or the other.

With the UMC-200 you get
A good DAC, good sound performance (SNR specifications, THD etc.)

But you also get
an analog volume control. That is impressive. Most AVR's do not have an analog volume control and use digital attenuation which loses quality at lower volumes.
Also in an AVR your DAC circuitry (the digital to analog part) shares the same power supply as the amplifier and other demanding sections.
Emotiva isn't the only game in town for processors. There are others. Check out that list I posted.