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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 16, 2013 13:11:22 GMT -5
Well, according to the published specs, MOST subs can do that! Surely the specs don't LIE?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 13:15:03 GMT -5
Well, according to the published specs, MOST subs can do that! Surely the specs don't LIE? What are you referring to? |
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 16, 2013 13:17:47 GMT -5
Who, me?
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Post by stiehl11 on Nov 16, 2013 13:20:08 GMT -5
++1 A standard piano will cover most frequencies (the fundamental A 0 will go down to 27 Hz, C 8 will go to 4.2 kHz). A Bösendorfer piano will go down to F 0 (21 Hz) and a Stuart and Sons will run from C 0 to F 8 (16 Hz to 5.6 kHz). The reason for these extended frequencies is for extended resonances and overtones (although a few pieces, surely, have been composed for them). A well-made pipe organ will run from fundamentals from 20 Hz to 7.1 kHz. There are two things that, I feel, determine how "good" a system is; how it handles dynamics and how it handles subtleties. The dynamics tax the power of the system and the subtleties test its refinement. You can have a very dynamic system that will gut-punch you into next week with every hit of the bass drum but totally suck seawater when it comes to refinement. The subtleties are the fast and intricate details that make a live performance sound like a live performance. It's incredibly difficult to strike a balance between gut-punching, low-frequency dynamics and subtle and soft transients. A personal example for me was adding an XDA-2 to my ERC-1; I heard things that I never heard before without it (such as a drummer setting down a set of sticks to pick up a different set waaaaay in the background). A good recording of Stravinsky's Firebird Suite will test your dynamics and, likely, your subtleties as well. I think a 32' pipe organ will go to 16.4Hz and a 64' will go to 8.2Hz. Try that one on your sub.  What media supports those frequencies? At 8.2 Hz you don't hear that, you feel that.  |
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Post by DYohn on Nov 16, 2013 13:26:35 GMT -5
I think a 32' pipe organ will go to 16.4Hz and a 64' will go to 8.2Hz. Try that one on your sub. Every sub will reproduce it. The only question is will it reproduce it loudly enough to be audible.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 13:33:22 GMT -5
I think a 32' pipe organ will go to 16.4Hz and a 64' will go to 8.2Hz. Try that one on your sub. What media supports those frequencies? At 8.2 Hz you don't hear that, you feel that. Well, it's pretty much standard knowledge that the big pipe organ go down to 16Hz (16.4Hz to be exact). The very largest one go to one octave lower. these are not organs in your roadside chapel. I've read that many times because I enjoy Pipe organ music. Tones below 20Hz approx we can only feel and not hear and below 80Hz we cannot locate the source. I just quickly Googled and this is the first confirmation I could find from Wiki. "The fundamental tone of 16.4 Hz represents a 32-foot organ pipe, which is found, except in the very largest organs, only in the pedal section of large instruments. Although the 32 foot pitch is found frequently on large instruments (like cathedral organs) it is not the deepest note of an organ as stated in the question. Some organs, such as the Atlantic City Auditorium organ, USA and Liverpool Cathedral Organ in the UK have 64-foot ranks giving the lowest note as 8.2 Hz."
wiki.answers.com/Q/The_lowest_frequecy_note_of_an_organ_is_16.4_Hz._What_is_the_length_of_the_shortest_open_organ_pipe_that_will_resonate_at_this_frequency
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 13:38:47 GMT -5
I think a 32' pipe organ will go to 16.4Hz and a 64' will go to 8.2Hz. Try that one on your sub. Every sub will reproduce it. The only question is will it reproduce it loudly enough to be audible. What? (have you been drinking or was that a joke?) I think we are talking here of subs that could reproduce these low tones at a reasonable level, not -50dB's. |
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Post by goat1981 on Nov 16, 2013 13:39:46 GMT -5
I believe large-scale choral and orchestral music is the most difficult to reproduce accurately. I find it's sometimes hard to find good recordings as well (ones that are tonally natural, provide a sense of space, and also provide clear placement of instruments), but when I do it's amazing. I always use choral and orchestral music to 'test' my system when I do any upgrades. (Plus, it's my favorite type of music, besides the classical piano literature.) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 13:40:09 GMT -5
No, the Easter Bunny. Are you saying that most subs can reproduce 16Hz and 8Hz? What does the do that refer to. "Well, according to the published specs, MOST subs can do that! Surely the specs don't LIE?" |
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Post by goat1981 on Nov 16, 2013 13:44:28 GMT -5
I just reproduced 8Hz.... Had a lot of Mexican food last night.  |
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Post by garbulky on Nov 16, 2013 13:46:45 GMT -5
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Post by bootman on Nov 16, 2013 13:47:20 GMT -5
The hardest type of music a stereo can create is music I just don't like. No matter how good the stereo is, it won't change my mind. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 16, 2013 13:48:49 GMT -5
No. I'm saying that many manufacturers CLAIM that their subs can.
Again, DYohn is correct, IMHO. Many subs can produce measurable output at those frequencies, but as you point out, Chuckienut, at -50 dB from their average output. The issue I want to point out is that specifications sell subs, which is why many manufacturers claim impossibly low frequency response for their products without specifying how many decibels down that frequency actually is.
I also like subsonics in my organ music, and have owned two or three subs that could actually produce them. I've also owned MANY subs that claimed to be able to reproduce subsonics but whose output was so far down at subsonic frequencies that the specs were virtual lies.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 13:52:46 GMT -5
I just reproduced 8Hz.... Had a lot of Mexican food last night. Try this and call me in the morning.  |
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 16, 2013 13:54:26 GMT -5
Now that just stinks...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 14:02:23 GMT -5
No. I'm saying that many manufacturers CLAIM that their subs can. Again, DYohn is correct, IMHO. Many subs can produce measurable output at those frequencies, but as you point out, Chuckienut, at -50 dB from their average output. The issue I want to point out is that specifications sell subs, which is why many manufacturers claim impossibly low frequency response for their products without specifying how many decibels down that frequency actually is. I also like subsonics in my organ music, and have owned two or three subs that could actually produce them. I've also owned MANY subs that claimed to be able to reproduce subsonics but whose output was so far down at subsonic frequencies that the specs were virtual lies. Well, let's not talk nonsense here. We usually talk about the low end of a sub at -3dB'd or the Brits will many times use -6dB's. There are not that many subs that claim 16Hz at -3dB let alone all the way down to 8Hz. Only excellent and usually big subs can hit 16Hz at a reasonable output. Very few indeed can hit 8Hz. Talking about the subs that can only put out a squeek at 16Hz is the nonsense I'm talking about. Some folks like to argue just for the sake of arguing. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 14:03:49 GMT -5
Try squirting some of that in your sub. You are sure to get some port noise. |
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Post by monkumonku on Nov 16, 2013 14:08:10 GMT -5
I just reproduced 8Hz.... Had a lot of Mexican food last night. I vote this answer the best in what is yet another pointless discussion thread. There have been many good answers posted, but the variety of answers also shows that asking this question is the same as asking what is the best stereo speaker system. |
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Post by DYohn on Nov 16, 2013 14:16:38 GMT -5
well, -50db *IS* reproducing the frequency. Like I said, it's all about if the output level is useful in te room. Like Henry Kloss said, "...not everything that can be measured can be heard." |
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Post by goat1981 on Nov 16, 2013 14:20:40 GMT -5
I just found a sub that will audibly produce 8HZ! It's mostly distortion, unfortunately........  ... Okay, now back on topic. (Sorry. I'm in a very silly mood today) |
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