What is the most difficult type of music for a stereo?

[stiehl11]

Nov 16, 2013 13:33:22 GMT -5 @chuckienut said:

Nov 16, 2013 13:20:08 GMT -5 stiehl11 said:

What media supports those frequencies? At 8.2 Hz you don't hear that, you feel that.

Well, it's pretty much standard knowledge that the big pipe organ go down to 16Hz (16.4Hz to be exact).  The very largest one go to one octave lower.  these are not organs in your roadside chapel.   I've read that many times because I enjoy Pipe organ music.  Tones below 20Hz approx we can only feel and not hear and below 80Hz we cannot locate the source.  I just quickly Googled and this is the first confirmation I could find from Wiki.

Not really answering the question, but that's ok. 16.4 Hz is C₀. This is not standard on most pipe organs. Just like the Bösendorfer and Stuart and Sons pianos, these are the exceptions rather than rules for the exact same reasons. Most pipe organs with the exceptions of cathedrals and concert halls stop at E₀.

[drtrey3]

Dyohn, gotcha. Although, I have never had the budget to get low bass as right and easy as I want it.

Trey

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stiehl11,

So are we going to argue in circles here.  You wrote "A well-made pipe organ will run from fundamentals from 20 Hz to 7.1 kHz."  Now I don't see any size restrictions there.  When I think of pipe organs I think of the big monsters in churches and cathedrals.  Many of the large pipe organs go to 16Hz.  It is only the biggest monsters that go to 8Hz but they are still pipe organs in my book.  All the pipe organ music I own consist of pipe organs that go down to 16Hz which is not that much lower than 20Hz.  

The pipe organs that I'm interested in are in cathedrals and churches.  The pipe organs in the small side chapels don't end up on high end recordings.  They are also the ones that are difficult for stereo systems to reproduce which happens to be the subject of this thread.   I'm not really interested in the pipe organs in Chuck-E-Cheese's to play on my system.

[drtrey3]

I think the "correct" answer might come down to our musical experience. I have heard far more acoustic guitars making sounds than I have heard symphony orchestras. I have heard more human voice than synthesizer. So it makes sense to me that recordings of cuitars and/or voice would go a long way to help me evaluate musical reproduction. Your mileage will of course vary. But I think perhaps the best music to evaluate a piece of gear with is a recording of instruments of a type we are very familiar with. Whatcha think?

Trey

[stiehl11]

Nov 16, 2013 14:43:38 GMT -5 @chuckienut said:

stiehl11,

So are we going to argue in circles here.  You wrote "A well-made pipe organ will run from fundamentals from 20 Hz to 7.1 kHz."  Now I don't see any size restrictions there.  When I think of pipe organs I think of the big monsters in churches and cathedrals.  Many of the large pipe organs go to 16Hz.  It is only the biggest monsters that go to 8Hz but they are still pipe organs in my book.  All the pipe organ music I own consist of pipe organs that go down to 16Hz which is not that much lower than 20Hz.  

The pipe organs that I'm interested in are in cathedrals and churches.  The pipe organs in the small side chapels don't end up on high end recordings.  They are also the ones that are difficult for stereo systems to reproduce which happens to be the subject of this thread.   I'm not really interested in the pipe organs in Chuck-E-Cheese's to play on my system.

The size of the pipe is directly proportional to the fundamental it reproduces. When you say "(a)ll the pipe organ music (you) own" I'm going to assume that you're referring to recorded music and not sheet music as that would limit your sheet music owned to music composed in a small number of musical keys (as C₀ is usually only the tonic or dominant tone in the key of composition). The reason that your recorded music is recorded with organs that go to C₀ (other than religions seemingly always revolving around phallic symbolism) is because you can't get a 100-piece orchestra or a 32 foot pipe (standing erect) in Bob's White Castle and Wedding Chapel (not including the air compressor and tank that would have to pump the air through it) and/or the quality of the sound of the organ (there aren't any "cheap" C₀ organs) and venue. The acoustics in churches would drive most people who have to have a perfect room to listen to their music in in-f'ing-sane. Trust me when I tell you this; if there's no air going through that 32 foot pipe it doesn't make a sound and I'll bet you a dollar that all the pipe organ music you own is not written in the key of C (in fact, very little of it).

[stiehl11]

Nov 16, 2013 14:50:26 GMT -5 drtrey3 said:

I think the "correct" answer might come down to our musical experience. I have heard far more acoustic guitars making sounds than I have heard symphony orchestras. I have heard more human voice than synthesizer. So it makes sense to me that recordings of cuitars and/or voice would go a long way to help me evaluate musical reproduction. Your mileage will of course vary. But I think perhaps the best music to evaluate a piece of gear with is a recording of instruments of a type we are very familiar with. Whatcha think?

Trey

It takes a lot less to reproduce the sound of a Casio keyboard (circa 1982) accurately than that of a violin (or acoustic guitar). That said, you are absolutely correct. If you have no idea what or how a plastic clarinet sounds compared to a wood clarinet (other than they sound like clarinets) much less narrow bore versus wide bore then listening to clarinets wouldn't tell you anything about the system you're evaluating.

Pick what you're familiar with to evaluate... and never spend one dollar more on equipment than what you can (reliably) hear.

[Flunk]

It is not the size of the pipe that matters, it is how you handle it . 

Ooopss, wrong forum.