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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 18, 2014 0:06:32 GMT -5
My read is that the DC-1 has the better DAC implementation whereas he XDA-2 look matches other Emotiva gear. A guess, but not that big a guess, is that there will be an XDA-3 out shortly with a DC-1 style DAC implementation. I bought an ERC-3 mainly because it has the DC-1 style DAC implementation. Is there really a substantial difference in sound quality between DC-1 and XDA-2 since it is going to be connected to xsp 1 for a 2.2 channel setup inside the bedroom? If you really look at the price between the two, it's doubled. Can an ordinary person hear the significance? I hope you know what I mean.. I don't think you would find anyone who would say that an XDA-2 is vastly inferior to a DC-1, they are both good DAC's and outstanding value for money. Other than that I'm not really in a position to give a critical comparison as I don't own an XDA-2 or a DC-1. Cheers Gary |
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Post by rod on Feb 18, 2014 0:13:35 GMT -5
Is there really a substantial difference in sound quality between DC-1 and XDA-2 since it is going to be connected to xsp 1 for a 2.2 channel setup inside the bedroom? If you really look at the price between the two, it's doubled. Can an ordinary person hear the significance? I hope you know what I mean.. I don't think you would find anyone who would say that an XDA-2 is vastly inferior to a DC-1, they are both good DAC's and outstanding value for money. Other than that I'm not really in a position to give a critical comparison as I don't own an XDA-2 or a DC-1. Cheers Gary Thanks for your time ! Your opinion really does help in many ways... Share some more when you get the chance... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 1:30:11 GMT -5
I'm using the DC-1 with my ERC-1 right now. Would I get comparable sq using the DC-1 with a cheap Denon 5 disc changer? That would give me the versatility of a changer in my main system and then I could move my ERC-1 to my second system. I think you may not notice a difference. Well to hear any kind of differences ..... You need the right speakers (resolving) the right room (IMPORTANT!) preferrably with acoustic panels the right placement (just as important as your speakers IMO) Functioning ears. (Not a golden ear or any such rubbish. Just simply functioning without major defects).  (Sorry Garbulky, I couldn't control myself and this little mouse.) |
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Post by trinhsman on Feb 18, 2014 8:18:21 GMT -5
IMHO, you are fine where you are. Spend some money on quality cables, Morrow, Cullen, SoundSilver, are some that come to mind.
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Post by garbulky on Feb 18, 2014 8:25:41 GMT -5
I think you may not notice a difference. Well to hear any kind of differences ..... You need the right speakers (resolving) the right room (IMPORTANT!) preferrably with acoustic panels the right placement (just as important as your speakers IMO) Functioning ears. (Not a golden ear or any such rubbish. Just simply functioning without major defects). (Sorry Garbulky, I couldn't control myself and this little mouse.) Remember that statement doesn't guarantee one hears a difference. Just that to hear one, it would be more likely under these conditions  I stand by that statement but only in the proper context (source electronics). For this case, we are talking about jitter. And I personally haven't heard a HUGE difference so I can only go by my experience. I thought I did with the asus xonar essence coaxial connection vs USB. But I could have been mistaken. |
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Post by paulk on Mar 9, 2014 18:57:59 GMT -5
Happy holidays to everyone I was hoping to hear from anyone who has replaced their ERC-1 with the new ERC-3. My ERC-1 sounds great and it would cost me around $650 to get a ERC-3 to my door, so would be hoping the upgrade is an noticeable improvement. Thx Hi everyone I bought the ERC-1 on spec because I was after CDP with balanced outputs. At the time, I had a Cambridge Azur C740 and so had the opportunity to compare one to the other. IMO the ERC-1 was superior. Thus, the C740 became surplus to needs and was ultimately sold off. I contacted Emotiva when the ERC-2 was released, seeking its advice on whether I would be able to discern a significant difference, sonically, between it and the ERC-1. Emotiva's response was 'No'. I have since purchased the ERC-3. IMO the difference between it and the ERC-1 is like chalk and cheese. The most pronounced difference between the two is the level of detail present in the ERC-3. This in turn reveals a level of nuance I have not heard in the output from any other CDP to which I have listened. Truly, this machine is something else. You will not be disappointed with the ERC-3, but a word of warning; you need to team it with matching quality equipment to get the best out of it. I am feeding it to Magnepan 1.7 speakers via a Dussun R30 amp. By the way, the analogue section of the ERC-3 is that of the Stealth DC-1. However, the front end is different. For instance, it employs only the one AD1955 DAC, rather than the twin AD1955's of the DC-1. |
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Post by rod on Mar 9, 2014 19:08:02 GMT -5
Happy holidays to everyone I was hoping to hear from anyone who has replaced their ERC-1 with the new ERC-3. My ERC-1 sounds great and it would cost me around $650 to get a ERC-3 to my door, so would be hoping the upgrade is an noticeable improvement. Thx Hi everyone I bought the ERC-1 on spec because I was after CDP with balanced outputs. At the time, I had a Cambridge Azur C740 and so had the opportunity to compare one to the other. IMO the ERC-1 was superior. Thus, the C740 became surplus to needs and was ultimately sold off. I contacted Emotiva when the ERC-2 was released, seeking its advice on whether I would be able to discern a significant difference, sonically, between it and the ERC-1. Emotiva's response was 'No'. I have since purchased the ERC-3. IMO the difference between it and the ERC-1 is like chalk and cheese. The most pronounced difference between the two is the level of detail present in the ERC-3. This in turn reveals a level of nuance I have not heard in the output from any other CDP to which I have listened. Truly, this machine is something else. You will not be disappointed with the ERC-3, but a word of warning; you need to team it with matching quality equipment to get the best out of it. I am feeding it to Magnepan 1.7 speakers via a Dussun R30 amp. By the way, the analogue section of the ERC-3 is that of the Stealth DC-1. However, the front end is different. For instance, it employs only the one AD1955 DAC, rather than the twin AD1955's of the DC-1. I am thinking of buying erc 3 this week. Should I connect this to xsp1 or to xda 2 to hear the difference? |
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Post by garbulky on Mar 10, 2014 15:11:35 GMT -5
Hi everyone I bought the ERC-1 on spec because I was after CDP with balanced outputs. At the time, I had a Cambridge Azur C740 and so had the opportunity to compare one to the other. IMO the ERC-1 was superior. Thus, the C740 became surplus to needs and was ultimately sold off. I contacted Emotiva when the ERC-2 was released, seeking its advice on whether I would be able to discern a significant difference, sonically, between it and the ERC-1. Emotiva's response was 'No'. I have since purchased the ERC-3. IMO the difference between it and the ERC-1 is like chalk and cheese. The most pronounced difference between the two is the level of detail present in the ERC-3. This in turn reveals a level of nuance I have not heard in the output from any other CDP to which I have listened. Truly, this machine is something else. You will not be disappointed with the ERC-3, but a word of warning; you need to team it with matching quality equipment to get the best out of it. I am feeding it to Magnepan 1.7 speakers via a Dussun R30 amp. By the way, the analogue section of the ERC-3 is that of the Stealth DC-1. However, the front end is different. For instance, it employs only the one AD1955 DAC, rather than the twin AD1955's of the DC-1. I am thinking of buying erc 3 this week. Should I connect this to xsp1 or to xda 2 to hear the difference? I reccomend the DC-1 because of it's dual DAC chips vs the one on the ERC-3. That plus the flexibility of inputs. You would connect the DC-1 to your CD player digital output. And then take output of your DC-1 and connect it to the XSP-1. If you buy the ERC-3 you would connect it to the XSP-1. The ERC-3 only outputs analog. The XDA-2 has no analog inputs. You can only connect digital sources to the XDA-2. |
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Post by rod on Mar 10, 2014 15:35:26 GMT -5
So which one is wise to buy now, ERC 3 or DC 1? You have to remember that I already have XDA 2. Also, what is meant by dual DAC chips? How does it do with the sound quality? Pardon my being naïve please...
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Post by deltadube on Mar 10, 2014 15:40:10 GMT -5
I reccomend the DC-1 because of it's dual DAC chips vs the one on the ERC-3. That plus the flexibility of inputs. You would connect the DC-1 to your CD player digital output. And then take output of your DC-1 and connect it to the XSP-1. If you buy the ERC-3 you would connect it to the XSP-1. The ERC-3 only outputs analog. The XDA-2 has no analog inputs. You can only connect digital sources to the XDA-2. hi Garbulky.. breath.... still blue.. anyways is that a typo erc 3 only outputs analog? digital out to the xda 2.. ?? An Exceptional Transport Already own a great DAC? The ERC-3 is also a top-class digital transport, providing optical, coaxial, and AES/EBU digital outputs to interface with your DAC of choice. cheers |
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Post by deltadube on Mar 10, 2014 15:43:13 GMT -5
So which one is wise to buy now, ERC 3 or DC 1? You have to remember that I already have XDA 2. Also, what is meant by dual DAC chips? How does it do with the sound quality? Pardon my being naïve please... do you mostly play cds? do you do music off the computer? get the dc1 if you mostly play cds get the erc3... I just wish they had a 5 disc erc3 model.. cheers |
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Post by garbulky on Mar 10, 2014 15:52:02 GMT -5
I reccomend the DC-1 because of it's dual DAC chips vs the one on the ERC-3. That plus the flexibility of inputs. You would connect the DC-1 to your CD player digital output. And then take output of your DC-1 and connect it to the XSP-1. If you buy the ERC-3 you would connect it to the XSP-1. The ERC-3 only outputs analog. The XDA-2 has no analog inputs. You can only connect digital sources to the XDA-2. hi Garbulky.. breath.... still blue.. anyways is that a typo erc 3 only outputs analog? digital out to the xda 2.. ?? An Exceptional Transport Already own a great DAC? The ERC-3 is also a top-class digital transport, providing optical, coaxial, and AES/EBU digital outputs to interface with your DAC of choice. cheers Lol. You are right! My mistake. Wow. Talk about a brain Brrrtt!! You're right it can output the analog and digital signals. Anyway, the ERC-3 should be connected to the XSP-1 and not the XDA-2 (IMO). Otherwise he would be using the ERC-3 only as a transport. But the user can try both to see which sounds better. |
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I stand by that statement but only in the proper context (source electronics). For this case, we are talking about jitter. And I personally haven't heard a HUGE difference so I can only go by my experience. I thought I did with the asus xonar essence coaxial connection vs USB. But I could have been mistaken. 
