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Post by julio on Feb 4, 2014 22:30:13 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I have to downsize and will be selling my house soon.
Anyways, the new house having less real estate, will not have a dedicated media room and the family room will serve as media room as well.
Due to space constrains, I will not be able to use my towers, and wonder if in-ceiling or in-wall speakers would provide a similar sound fill, sound imaging, and quality as the towers?
I am aware the dimensions of the room, windows, furniture, and others will have an impact, therefore yet again I wonder which scenario would work best? (InWall or InCeiling)
Looks like Emotiva is still out of stock of the In-Ceiling 8.2 serie. Its a shame I will have to sell my towers/center.
I will appreciate any input
Thanks,
Julio
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Post by PGT on Feb 4, 2014 22:59:56 GMT -5
Wall-mount for front stage is best, though there are some very capable ceiling mount speakers designed for front stage. It comes down to room placement, your ability to run cables, etc. - Sometimes the terseness of my reply can't be blamed on my phone.  |
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Post by hemster on Feb 4, 2014 23:02:17 GMT -5
Hey Julio,
I've installed both (in separate rooms) at by buddy's place. I can tell you that the in-ceiling speakers are great at filling in sound and work great in his place for ambient music in his grand foyer. However the in-walls have much better coverage for L/C/R duty. If you can, opt for in-walls as they'll have superior imaging. That's my 2 cents.
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Post by PGT on Feb 4, 2014 23:18:22 GMT -5
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Post by hemster on Feb 4, 2014 23:50:18 GMT -5
^Those look great and I bet they sound great too. I like these better than the swivel variety. But they're not cheap! (>6k!)
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Post by PGT on Feb 4, 2014 23:58:42 GMT -5
yep. just goes to show that there are solutions to difficult rooms. I REALLY would love to do a waveguide setup for my front stage as well as some coaxial waveguides for my rears.....100-110db efficiency is no joke. Thing is...my room won't support the physical size not to mention its not ideal for surrounds (no wall for the left side to be mounted). HT is all about compromises unless you build a bespoke space for it. - Sometimes the terseness of my reply can't be blamed on my phone. |
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Post by Darksky on Feb 5, 2014 0:51:01 GMT -5
Golden Ear makes a set of in ceiling that wee at CEDIA, they are not cheap either, (HTR700-$500 each) but they sounded wonderful. I could not localize them. They use a folded ribbon tweeter and are canted back in a tubular frame about thirty degrees. If you have the scratch, I think they would be a good choice. Is your space too small for stealth speakers from Emo?
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Post by julio on Feb 5, 2014 21:04:07 GMT -5
The space is definitely not small.... I am attaching a floor-plan photo for you all to have real measurements.  I am open to suggestions, by the way, thanks for posting that gear from Episode and Golden Ear. They look great. Golden's being in my range. If the Episodes were $4k I would have certainly gone that route. More suggestions welcome. So.. in the end, these for LCR, and what about rears? Should I go with an in-wall (or two) subs, or should I keep my Emotiva Sub? Sorry for the newbie questions, but I have never had such challenges for any of my rooms until now, and never had in-walls/in-ceiling before. Any chance you can provide full speaker system options? What about waveguide and co-axial waveguide setup? |
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Post by PGT on Feb 5, 2014 21:08:39 GMT -5
Episode makes a bunch of stuff...that was just an example. Also..I believe B&W makes some. That would be my first choice in that category...Episode is nice but made in China. For that money, I'd prefer B&W (they'll have good resale, if that matters). edit for B&W's:   - Sometimes the terseness of my reply can't be blamed on my phone. |
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Post by jrea1212 on Feb 5, 2014 23:12:40 GMT -5
Go with 3 Martin Logan Edge in-wall speakers for LCR, 4 Martin Logan Vanquish in-ceiling for rears. 2 Martin logan balanced force 212 subs and a XPR-2 and XPR-5, XMC-1 and you're done. End of story.
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Post by jrea1212 on Feb 6, 2014 8:41:37 GMT -5
Or not.
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Post by jlafrenz on Feb 6, 2014 9:05:08 GMT -5
It is common to see in wall speakers for the L/C/R and in ceiling for the surrounds.
Just about all major speaker manufacturers are making architectural speakers. There are some really good options out there too. It is ideal to opt for speakers with back cans, but they tend to be more expensive. I always tell people to buy the best they can with the budget they have.
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Post by drtrey3 on Feb 6, 2014 10:24:42 GMT -5
The in wall speakers I have heard were not as great as stand alone speakers, and the in ceiling speakers I have heard were not as good as the in wall. So if you must, I would go for in wall. And another thing, I do not enjoy sound coming from the ceiling! Am I alone in this?
Trey
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Post by GreenKiwi on Feb 6, 2014 12:27:50 GMT -5
I would agree with the general principle. In ceiling fill a room and can be used for surrounds. In wall do a better job of projecting an image and are good for the LRC Btw have you thought about on-wall? I have some Magnepan mc-1s that I really like. www.magnepan.com/model_MC1They also have some MC2s that have an improved panel and are motorized so they fold back to the wall when not in use. www.magnepan.com/30-Day_trial_motorized_MMC_2I think that these are worth a listen. You might have a dealer who would let you demo a pair. |
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Post by PGT on Feb 6, 2014 14:36:58 GMT -5
It is common to see in wall speakers for the L/C/R and in ceiling for the surrounds. Just about all major speaker manufacturers are making architectural speakers. There are some really good options out there too. It is ideal to opt for speakers with back cans, but they tend to be more expensive. I always tell people to buy the best they can with the budget they have. Yep - I just installed three new Polk 265-LS in behind my screen (and four 80F/X-LS for my surrounds).  - Sometimes the terseness of my reply can't be blamed on my phone. |
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Post by thepcguy on Feb 6, 2014 14:41:08 GMT -5
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Post by julio on Feb 6, 2014 20:27:42 GMT -5
Not really fond of on-walls speakers. By the way, the plan is to install a 60" LED TV on the wall, and a pull/roll down screen coming from the ceiling that would be over the TV when rolled down.
I will have the builder pre-wire for 7.1 in-ceiling, and extra 3 wires in case I decide to run the LCR in the front.
Unless I sell my current speakers with the house, I will keep them for test fitting in the new house. If space allows for them to work correctly and aesthetically approved by the wife, I will just add 4 in-celing for surrounds and rears, and sell my two pairs of ERD-1s.
I found a local dealer for Episode speakers and will see if I can demo them. There are a few Martin Logan dealers as well, but last time I demo them they were a little on the too bright side for me.
The next challenge will be acoustics, especially if we end up with tiles instead of wood flooring. Ideas? Sorry for all the questions, but I really want to make this right from the get go and avoid any costly expenses by trial and error.
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Post by TempTag on Feb 6, 2014 21:39:27 GMT -5
I am going to install a set of Goldenear mpx speakers in ceiling as I have no rear/side area for in-walls and do not want to hang on-walls. (I also have purchased dynamat boxes). The intent is for these speakers to do surround duty in a 5.1 system.
I was not impressed with a directional set of Focal in-ceiling speakers I installed over a family members house as surround speakers. The standard design made them a little too directional for my taste and I feel like the speaker sounded very muddy compared to the (really wonderful sounding) Focal towers.
I am hoping the bipolar design of the mpx will yield a somewhat more ambient sound - will post thoughts once they are up.
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Post by julio on Feb 7, 2014 9:49:10 GMT -5
As weird as it may sound, I am seriously considering three HTR 7000 speakers, four Invisa MPX speakers, and two ForceField 5 subwoofers (or keep my Emo 12 sub) as my system over everything else out there.
These will of course be mated to my XPA-5, XPA-2, and UMC-1 (Soon XMC-1). Looking for a demo pretty soon, and will sadly put my barely used Emotiva speakers for sale.
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Post by TempTag on Feb 18, 2014 21:27:03 GMT -5
I installed 2 MPX speakers this weekend in-ceiling for L/R surround duty. I am quite happy with the sound, smooth, a nice not-too-directional sound field, and a good match for my ML mains. To my ears the AMT has more life than the AMT implementation in the ML Motion series but is not overly bright. (I used to have a ML Motion C center but never liked the sound.)
I would also recommend Dynamat boxes if you do not have the builder preinstall back boxes. I get no sound bleed to the floor above. I am now considering some Invisa speakers for front height duty...
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