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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 30, 2024 15:02:41 GMT -5
...Because you WANT Roon to be able to get updates, and collect album information, and you WANT to be able to connect to Roon from your phone... I'm NOT trying to be alarmist... your risk as an individual is pretty low... especially if you avoid outright risky behavior. The internet is a necessity. But I'm one of those who does NOT want to access Roon from my phone. My install (other than internet access) is all inside my firewall. I'm just pointing out that they don't offer "simplified end-user instructions" for the same reason that Adobe stopped including printed manuals... Their product is so complex, and is used in so many different ways, that it would be too much work to cover all the permutations and possibilities...So, instead, they provide a spec sheet, and some hints, and assume that you'll either already know the rest or will look it up (or take a class). Interesting. I got no "spec sheet" with my Synology, nor were there very many "hints." I can look up some things, but there's no such thing here as a "Synology class (nor a Roon one)." Any competent technical writer could create simplified instructions for setting up a Synology. There WOULD be a lot of branches regarding various Synology sub-apps, and as I previously stated, the more you want your box to do, the greater the complexity (but also the greater the need for good instructions.
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Post by KeithL on Apr 30, 2024 15:12:59 GMT -5
You might find some documentation here (I see Product Manuals and DataSheets under Documentation): www.synology.com/en-us/support/downloadI think you will find that, with this type of product, most current models share the same O/S, and have mostly the same options... except as noted. ...Because you WANT Roon to be able to get updates, and collect album information, and you WANT to be able to connect to Roon from your phone... I'm NOT trying to be alarmist... your risk as an individual is pretty low... especially if you avoid outright risky behavior. The internet is a necessity. But I'm one of those who does NOT want to access Roon from my phone. My install (other than internet access) is all inside my firewall. I'm just pointing out that they don't offer "simplified end-user instructions" for the same reason that Adobe stopped including printed manuals... Their product is so complex, and is used in so many different ways, that it would be too much work to cover all the permutations and possibilities...So, instead, they provide a spec sheet, and some hints, and assume that you'll either already know the rest or will look it up (or take a class). Interesting. I got no "spec sheet" with my Synology, nor were there very many "hints." I can look up some things, but there's no such thing here as a "Synology class (nor a Roon one)." Any competent technical writer could create simplified instructions for setting up a Synology. There WOULD be a lot of branches regarding various Synology sub-apps, and as I previously stated, the more you want your box to do, the greater the complexity (but also the greater the need for good instructions.
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Post by fbczar on Apr 30, 2024 22:24:07 GMT -5
...Because you WANT Roon to be able to get updates, and collect album information, and you WANT to be able to connect to Roon from your phone... I'm NOT trying to be alarmist... your risk as an individual is pretty low... especially if you avoid outright risky behavior. The internet is a necessity. But I'm one of those who does NOT want to access Roon from my phone. My install (other than internet access) is all inside my firewall. I'm just pointing out that they don't offer "simplified end-user instructions" for the same reason that Adobe stopped including printed manuals... Their product is so complex, and is used in so many different ways, that it would be too much work to cover all the permutations and possibilities...So, instead, they provide a spec sheet, and some hints, and assume that you'll either already know the rest or will look it up (or take a class). Interesting. I got no "spec sheet" with my Synology, nor were there very many "hints." I can look up some things, but there's no such thing here as a "Synology class (nor a Roon one)." Any competent technical writer could create simplified instructions for setting up a Synology. There WOULD be a lot of branches regarding various Synology sub-apps, and as I previously stated, the more you want your box to do, the greater the complexity (but also the greater the need for good instructions. Boom, You are missing out in a big way if you do not use Roon's ARC program. Having your entire music library and your choice of streaming service in your car or basically anywhere you like is pretty spectacular software.
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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 30, 2024 23:24:43 GMT -5
Hi fbczar - I’m one of those odd people who don’t listen to music in the car. Not even the radio. Not even on long trips. For those who listen to mobile music, Roon ARC must be da schizz - but not for me, thanks.
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Post by leonski on May 1, 2024 2:05:13 GMT -5
To enjoy music in a car, you need a REALLY quiet ride. I had a Miata years ago which had a feature that turned UP the radio as a function of outside noise.......It worked but did get pretty loud......
But in general? Car stereo is so-so at best. My Element is reasonable but still not great. It does have a good bass driver located below the thru-firewall shifter......
Wife's Mazda CX-5 actually sounds OK, and we listen to some service she has on her phone. Just missing that lowest octave!
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Post by tropicallutefisk on May 1, 2024 5:56:48 GMT -5
To enjoy music in a car, you need a REALLY quiet ride. I had a Miata years ago which had a feature that turned UP the radio as a function of outside noise.......It worked but did get pretty loud...... But in general? Car stereo is so-so at best. My Element is reasonable but still not great. It does have a good bass driver located below the thru-firewall shifter...... Wife's Mazda CX-5 actually sounds OK, and we listen to some service she has on her phone. Just missing that lowest octave! As much as I love listening to music and having a home system I enjoy, I've never gotten into expensive car audio. First, as you stated, Leonski, a quiet ride is needed and I've never had a vehicle I'd call quiet. Probably because vehicles are just a point A to point B device to me. Also, I've never heard a car system I thought sounded better than even a modest home system. Yes, I've heard very loud systems and I've heard systems with amazing speakers and amplifiers, but I've never heard anything that I thought sounded worth the price of admission. Perhaps in a premium vehicle its a better experience, but I'm not premium vehicle guy. Budget and priorities being the main drivers. Same reason I own kayaks and not a boat with an outboard motor. LOL
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Post by Boomzilla on May 1, 2024 7:24:52 GMT -5
The one good use I've seen for car audio is ambient noise-cancelling. I think that idea is cool (not that I've bought such a vehicle, nor that I'd consider one for that single feature).
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Post by oldwood on May 1, 2024 7:26:54 GMT -5
"PS: I GOT IT TO WORK!! The format it wanted was: \\192.168.1.14\Godzilla Then I had to enter my username & password."
If you set up the folders to auto-mount it will allow you to access them without needing your password, also some programs do not browse for network folders and will see a mounted folder the same as one on your computer. I think this is the procedure I used.
I found having the folders auto-mount made the process much more convenient than having to log in to the NAS each time.
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Post by Boomzilla on May 1, 2024 7:52:37 GMT -5
Excellent info, oldwood - Thanks so much, I appreciate the help - but... The link takes me to an article that is outdated and no longer works with Apple OS-X 14.4.1 (Sonoma). Not only is the folder not in the described location, but even after finding the suggested folder, there is no apparent way to browse to my NAS in the "add login item" screen. Further, the author of the page you refer to is no longer listed as an author on the website. None of this is YOUR fault, so please don't feel responsible. Quite to the contrary, in fact, I appreciate your diligence in bothering to find such (apparently) good information and send it my way. I'll look around some more, and if I find any such up-to-date information, I'll post a link here. Thanks again! Glenn
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Post by marcl on May 1, 2024 8:01:55 GMT -5
Primary and Backup still scanning .... Started them both yesterday, 21 hours ago. Notice the backup drive (RAID 0) is running 6 times faster than the Primary (SHR-2) .... in theory the exact same number of files.
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Post by Boomzilla on May 1, 2024 8:12:16 GMT -5
I found this for Macs using Apple chips - NEVER MIND - I TRIED THIS AND IT DIDN'T WORK:
Determine whether you're using a Mac with Apple silicon, then follow the appropriate steps: Apple silicon 1. Shut down your Mac. 2. Turn on your Mac and continue to press and hold the power button until you see the startup options window. 3. Select your startup disk, then press and hold the Shift key while clicking “Continue in Safe Mode.” 4. Log in to your Mac. You might be asked to log in again. Intel processor 1. Turn on or restart your Mac, then immediately press and hold the Shift key as your Mac starts up. 2. Release the key when you see the login window, then log in to your Mac. 3. You might be asked to log in again. On either the first or second login window, you should see ”Safe Boot” in the upper-right corner of the window.
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Post by oldwood on May 1, 2024 8:33:38 GMT -5
Excellent info, oldwood - Thanks so much, I appreciate the help - but... The link takes me to an article that is outdated and no longer works with Apple OS-X 14.4.1 (Sonoma). Not only is the folder not in the described location, but even after finding the suggested folder, there is no apparent way to browse to my NAS in the "add login item" screen. Further, the author of the page you refer to is no longer listed as an author on the website. None of this is YOUR fault, so please don't feel responsible. Quite to the contrary, in fact, I appreciate your diligence in bothering to find such (apparently) good information and send it my way. I'll look around some more, and if I find any such up-to-date information, I'll post a link here. Thanks again! Glenn I was afraid that that may be the case. I assumed you would be running the latest OS version. This looks like it might be a solution?
I am sure you will get it sorted out, it just takes longer than we would like
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Post by Boomzilla on May 1, 2024 8:45:03 GMT -5
"If it were easy, anyone could do it" - Google attributes this to Tom Hanks in "A League of their own," but LONG before that movie, one of my coworkers said that to me as I was being trained to be a chemical plant operator.
In fact, I could write a book about the wit and wisdom (sometimes conspicuous only in its absence) of my friends and coworkers in the chemical industry. One time, our plant engineer, Mr. C.C. Chin decided to provide the operators a class on the chemistry of our process. One of my coworkers, a young black guy named Jim Brown, was totally uninterested and had not only fallen asleep in the chair next to me, but was audibly sawing logs. During the class, Mr. Chin was describing how our acid wash system removed dissolved metals from the product including "iron and nicker." Jim suddenly sat bolt upright, turned to me, and asked "What'd he say?!?" I replied "nickel, Jim, nickel" upon which Jim sat back and went right back to sleep...
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Post by Boomzilla on May 1, 2024 8:48:19 GMT -5
I was afraid that that may be the case. I assumed you would be running the latest OS version. This looks like it might be a solution?https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255266441?sortBy=best I am sure you will get it sorted out, it just takes longer than we would like I found the right page, but the (abbreviated?) browser shown there won't let me get to network shares.
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Post by oldwood on May 1, 2024 9:11:08 GMT -5
I was afraid that that may be the case. I assumed you would be running the latest OS version. This looks like it might be a solution?https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255266441?sortBy=best I am sure you will get it sorted out, it just takes longer than we would like I found the right page, but the (abbreviated?) browser shown there won't let me get to network shares. They do say you need to have the share manually mounted before you start the process of setting up auto-mount, but if you have done that, I am out of ideas.
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Post by Boomzilla on May 1, 2024 9:36:42 GMT -5
Mouinted / Unmounted = Nope... I'll keep looking. Thanks again!
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Post by leonski on May 1, 2024 14:16:37 GMT -5
To enjoy music in a car, you need a REALLY quiet ride. I had a Miata years ago which had a feature that turned UP the radio as a function of outside noise.......It worked but did get pretty loud...... But in general? Car stereo is so-so at best. My Element is reasonable but still not great. It does have a good bass driver located below the thru-firewall shifter...... Wife's Mazda CX-5 actually sounds OK, and we listen to some service she has on her phone. Just missing that lowest octave! As much as I love listening to music and having a home system I enjoy, I've never gotten into expensive car audio. First, as you stated, Leonski, a quiet ride is needed and I've never had a vehicle I'd call quiet. Probably because vehicles are just a point A to point B device to me. Also, I've never heard a car system I thought sounded better than even a modest home system. Yes, I've heard very loud systems and I've heard systems with amazing speakers and amplifiers, but I've never heard anything that I thought sounded worth the price of admission. Perhaps in a premium vehicle its a better experience, but I'm not premium vehicle guy. Budget and priorities being the main drivers. Same reason I own kayaks and not a boat with an outboard motor. LOL tropic? You are in the category of 'appliance user'......You value reliability and ease of use over 0-60 and 'track day'...... Back in about '83, I bought the first or 2nd CD player for sale in the US. I bought a bunch of TDK SAx blank tapes and made copies of the first 3 CDs I bought. People were GobSmacked and one kid in particular had about 700$ or more in a car stereo which to ME sounded like warmed over dog-do. He was destroyed that my Honda system.....4" speakers and maybe 2 watts total....sounded better than his system....when playing my tapes....... Another buddy who had invested in the than current 'Z' car.....260? 280? had a good stereo which when playing my tape had him stopping at the stereo store on the way home to buy a CD player. A not uncommon reaction when comparing those stupid tapes to vinyl OR factory made tapes......
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Post by Boomzilla on May 1, 2024 16:40:02 GMT -5
I posted the following in the Roon users' forum & will report any replies:
I have a Roon Nucleus One on order. But until it arrives, I’m without music in my living room. My Roon core is currently on a Mac mini in my computer room (where it needs to stay).
An audio amigo suggests that I put the Mac mini on my WiFi network and put my iPhone on the equipment rack in the living room. Get an adapter and hook up my AudioQuest Dragonfly to the iPhone.
Then, since both the iPhone and the Mac mini are on the same WiFi network, maybe the Roon core will see the Dragonfly as an endpoint? I also have an iPad with Roon Remote on it for control.
Will this work? Is there anything special I need to do to enable communication?
Thanks - Glenn
Plan C postscriptum: I think I already have the hardware I need (and it is already installed on my equipment rack)!
I have a Roku Ultra already on my audio rack. It is recognized by Roon as an endpoint. The Roku has a USB-C connector on it AND an Ethernet port. Since my Mac mini (with Roon core on it) can communicate with the Roku Ultra already, all I need is a USB-C male to USB-A female adapter (and I think I already have one of those in my parts box).
Then, I can plug the AudioQuest Dragonfly into the USB-A socket and connect its stereo analog outputs to the AVR and/or the tube stereo system - MUSIC!!!
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Post by Boomzilla on May 1, 2024 21:15:33 GMT -5
I’ve spent the evening creating (and organizing) speaker wires, interconnects, power cords, and wall warts. My butt and knees are sore, and I’ve got sore eyes from squinting at poorly-labeled back panels of components. Hence, my proposals for "the Boomzilla Equipment Rack:" * Switched LEDs both above and below back-panel connections so that users wouldn’t have to read tiny, tiny text on a back panel that is shaded by the equipment shelves and mostly obscured by wires in the way. Otherwise, users have to hold a flashlight in one hand, hold wiring aside with one hand, and make connections with one hand while supporting the front of the component with one hand to prevent movement while making connections! * Power connections pre-wired into the rack to allow power (including space for wall-warts) to be distributed throughout the equipment rack. Perhaps the AC supplies could even be inside the structural steel members of the rack to avoid hum pickup. * Short, IEC-terminated power cables in a variety of lengths, colors, and AWG ratings so that the last few inches of power connection from the rack to the components would be neat and simple * Signal cable routing designed to avoid hum pickup from the power system * Interconnects should be offered in a variety of lengths and colors, both single-ended or balanced, and the rack documentation should provide a chart suggesting correct interconnect lengths from any rack location to any other. * Easily-modifiable structural changes for different equipment heights and depths * Economically expandable for future growth * Quick-change swapping between mounting for 19-inch “pro” equipment and consumer products * Optional, automatic, temperature-activated ventilation fans controlled by magnetic or stick-on sensors * Modular sections of the rack could be changed from carpet-piercing spikes (for the turntable section, for example) to soft rollers that wouldn't mar hard floors * Speaker cable wiring should be secured so that the wires aren't prone to being run over by the casters or pulled apart when the rack is moved * There should be ways to secure connecting wiring to and from external sources (wires to the television, cable-service wires to the rack, Ethernet connections from other parts of the house, routers/modems, etc.) I’d buy an equipment rack like that!PS: I'm sure that KeithL and others will quickly tell me that most users wouldn't care about many of the features I request. I agree with that observation, but still think that some of the options would be applicable to all. The other objection that I expect is that of cost. In reply, may I suggest that you actually LOOK at the current prices of most "audio stands" that offer none of the features suggested above. Would it really cost that much to offer the features I suggest? And finally, it would seem that at least SOME of the features I suggest (switched LEDs at the top and bottom of the back of the rack) could be retrofitted to existing stands. And of course - your needs aren't my needs. If none of the features I suggest appeal to you, then you've got LOTS of stand choices currently available, and at a wide selection of prices. Cordially - Glenn
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Post by Boomzilla on May 2, 2024 9:42:09 GMT -5
Alas - The Roon forum says that I can't use the USB socket of the Roku Ultra for audio output - it's for external HDD connection only.
The next least expensive option is to buy a "Camera Adapter" for my iPhone. The camera adapter offers a USB-C socket (for power supply) and a USB-A socket. If I plug the Dragonfly into the USB-A socket of the Apple Camera Adapter, I can still use the iPad for Roon Remote, and the Roon core should recognize the Dragonfly through the iPhone.
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