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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 25, 2024 14:44:28 GMT -5
The DAC does work, mostly…
The USB input seems non-functional, as are the RCA outputs. The TOSLINK optical input & the headphone jack, however, work perfectly. I didn’t test the two RCA digital inputs.
So I’ll consider it a working desktop DAC / headphone amp.
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 28, 2024 5:31:47 GMT -5
BACKGROUND HARDWARE INFORMATION:
My listening room is relatively large (16.5 x 25 feet) I tend to listen at VERY low volumes See my equipment in the signature below The GoldenEar Triton 3+ speakers have self-amplified subwoofers The Klipsch speakers are bookshelf models that roll off at about 40Hz. I don’t use Yamaha’s YPAO room correction (system sounds better without it)
SETUP FACTOIDS:
The Triton speakers sound good, but lack low volume dynamics The Klipsch speakers have excellent low volume dynamics, but lack low bass I’m currently using the Klipsch speakers with the self-powered subs of the GoldenEars The Yamaha does bass management
ACOUSTIC ANOMALIES:
There is no smooth transition from the Klipsches to the subs I’ve tried 40, 60, and 80Hz. crossover points (80 works best) but I can still hear the crossover point
POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS:
Set the Klipsches to “Large” in the Yamaha setup and set the sub crossover to 40Hz. Use the Tritons as front speakers and live with the poor low volume dynamics Buy a separate subwoofer for the Klipsches Use the Klipsches without a sub and increase the (cough, cough) bass tone control
THE QUESTIONS:
Is there any way to improve the low-volume dynamics of the GoldenEars? (more power, less power, etc.) Is there any way to better blend the Klipsches to the GoldenEar bass modules? Is there any practical solution that I haven’t yet considered?
Thanks - Boom
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Post by leonski on Aug 28, 2024 14:50:28 GMT -5
For Bass? I'd leave a GAP between low pass and high pass frequencies. Just an example? Cross to subs maybe 40hz on down. Cross to mains, maybe 50 or 60hz on UP.
Since none of this kind of filter is a 'brick wall', the gap will fill itself in.
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 28, 2024 17:53:26 GMT -5
Alas, leonski, my AVR does not allow asymmetrical crossover frequencies. Nor can I opt to run the satellites full-range while setting a low-pass filter for the subwoofer. The only way to have greater control of bass management would be to take the preamp outs of my AVR and use an external crossover. But even if I did that, I’d have to buy a power amp because my AVR has no power-amp inputs. If I want bass management for now, I have to use the crossover in my AVR. However, I could just add a sub to the system and use the low pass filter on the sub’s plate amp.
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Post by leonski on Aug 29, 2024 2:55:49 GMT -5
My stereo (2.1) preamp has a 12db/oct switchable....and adjustable for crossover point. I send full range TO the sub and use ITS 24db/oct crossover......
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 29, 2024 6:25:55 GMT -5
Further limits of the Yamaha:
If you choose to activate the sub in setup, the AVR automatically switches your stereo speakers to “small” and activates the crossover. But I may be able to trick the receiver by activating the rear speakers, set to small, and then set the fronts to large.
You can’t use an external crossover because the receiver has no “main in” jacks.
Nevertheless, I am sure that I will be able to find some work around!
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 29, 2024 17:32:12 GMT -5
Among the various configurations of casa de Boom:
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Post by novisnick on Aug 29, 2024 23:38:05 GMT -5
Boomzilla long ago when I set up the Mrs HT system I did a similar thing with my setup. I have your user manual and am looking it over to see where I set my main speakers to large and run ampair of subs with it. I haven’t found it yet but you should be able to do so directly in speaker setup. I’ve always found it easier to find in the ON SCREEN MENU. If I remember I will surely let you know. Good luck
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Post by leonski on Aug 30, 2024 1:14:02 GMT -5
Are the amplifiers still active when using the pre Outs of hte Anthem? If so, a possible solution.
Run mains whatever way gives the best / most extended bass from the mains.......using the pre outs to amp / main speakers. At the same time? run SPEAKER wire from that channel to the subs amp. I think this is a fairly high Input Impedance method which means you are running the power of a set of headphones.....you won't need anything larger than 14 IF That. Adjust subs crossover to suit.
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 30, 2024 10:53:18 GMT -5
Great ideas, novisnick & leonski - I have looked in both my Yamaha manual and in the on-screen menus. It’s possible I missed it novisnick, so I’ll look again. leonski, that’s a good idea, and one I hadn’t considered, but to use it, the sub would need speaker-level inputs. Not all subs have them. But it’s still an option to keep in mind! Thanks to both of you!
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Post by novisnick on Aug 30, 2024 12:43:00 GMT -5
Another thought while your going screen to screen. If not found turn on extra bass ( named something like that) and adjust down the settings to the sub. Perhaps more dynamics. Worth a try but first the on screen menus.
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Post by leonski on Aug 30, 2024 16:20:28 GMT -5
IMO, the Key to speaker level sub inputs is that they can be run as a dead end TO the sub....You don't need the outputs from sub at all...... This means that speaker wire quality is not of extreme importance. Nearly any good bit of copper will do. For the main speakers? All the usual rules apply.
And given that boom is using the precuts of his Yamaha? Speaker outs are 'free' to be used for the sub.....w/ or w/o crossover.....
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Post by davidl81 on Aug 31, 2024 9:30:44 GMT -5
The Kohler rep will drop by Wednesday evening to evaluate house requirements and generator siting. We’ll look over the quote & see. Even if we accept the quote immediately, it’ll be months before the generator is installed ( permits, gas-line tie-in, slab poured, licensed electrician for transfer switch, etc.). Boom, FWIW Costco is running the Honeywell 22KW gen on sale for $4899 with the transfer switch. Cost wise when I bought mine it was a lot cheaper to buy the generator on my own and then find an installer separately. You may have already bought the Kohler, but I just wanted to share.
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Post by davidl81 on Aug 31, 2024 9:32:23 GMT -5
david81 Your neighbors bought the Generac....The Sales Guy bought a house. Cheers! I have absolutely no idea what you mean by this, but I guess if the sales guy was the home depot web site they did okay lol.
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 31, 2024 10:24:51 GMT -5
The Kohler rep will drop by Wednesday evening to evaluate house requirements and generator siting. We’ll look over the quote & see. Even if we accept the quote immediately, it’ll be months before the generator is installed ( permits, gas-line tie-in, slab poured, licensed electrician for transfer switch, etc.). Boom, FWIW Costco is running the Honeywell 22KW gen on sale for $4899 with the transfer switch. Cost wise when I bought mine it was a lot cheaper to buy the generator on my own and then find an installer separately. You may have already bought the Kohler, but I just wanted to share. View AttachmentHi davidl81 - I looked into Costco’s Honeywell generators. So far as I could tell, the Honeywells are refurbished and rebranded Generacs. The Generac brand comes with a five year warranty, the Honeywells have only a three year warranty. Yes, the purchase price is attractive, but I’ve discovered that (at least in my area) qualified Generac (Honeywell) service/repair technicians are as rare as hen’s teeth. Furthermore, NOBODY will sell a service and repair contract unless they also sold and installed the generator. So after due consideration, we decided that (for us), Costco’s price was false economy. YMMV Postscript - After some months of canvassing friends, neighbors, and acquaintances, the consensus seems to be (strongly) that the longevity of generators is superior for Kohler and Briggs & Stratton models (over Generacs).
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 31, 2024 10:50:08 GMT -5
I plan to sell my GoldenEar Triton 3+ speakers with their built-in, self-powered subwoofers and my matching GoldenEar SuperCenter XL. I thought I’d mention it here before posting elsewhere. I want $2,500 cash for the three, local pickup only in Baton Rouge, LA. Can’t ship - sorry.
Boomzilla
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Post by leonski on Aug 31, 2024 14:45:37 GMT -5
david81 Your neighbors bought the Generac....The Sales Guy bought a house. Cheers! I have absolutely no idea what you mean by this, but I guess if the sales guy was the home depot web site they did okay lol. Highly commissioned product. In a rural area you may have 1 guy doing sales. He can really make out!
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Post by cawgijoe on Aug 31, 2024 22:10:18 GMT -5
Boom, FWIW Costco is running the Honeywell 22KW gen on sale for $4899 with the transfer switch. Cost wise when I bought mine it was a lot cheaper to buy the generator on my own and then find an installer separately. You may have already bought the Kohler, but I just wanted to share. View AttachmentHi davidl81 - I looked into Costco’s Honeywell generators. So far as I could tell, the Honeywells are refurbished and rebranded Generacs. The Generac brand comes with a five year warranty, the Honeywells have only a three year warranty. Yes, the purchase price is attractive, but I’ve discovered that (at least in my area) qualified Generac (Honeywell) service/repair technicians are as rare as hen’s teeth. Furthermore, NOBODY will sell a service and repair contract unless they also sold and installed the generator. So after due consideration, we decided that (for us), Costco’s price was false economy. YMMV Postscript - After some months of canvassing friends, neighbors, and acquaintances, the consensus seems to be (strongly) that the longevity of generators is superior for Kohler and Briggs & Stratton models (over Generacs). For what it’s worth, Consumer Reports top 4 are from Champion, Cummins, Kohler, and Generac.
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Post by leonski on Sept 1, 2024 1:16:20 GMT -5
I don't see dedicated 'marine' units for Champion or Generac. But the Champion stuff does look nice. Especially the ability to 'strap' 2 generators of certain types. Long runtimes are a bonus and duel fuel is a Real bonus. For emergency outage use......not a permanent install? In the 2 to 3kw range sounds nice. Quiet, good economy and semi-portable..... Color me Tempted....
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 1, 2024 5:43:07 GMT -5
I think, but this is speculation on my part, that the reason Generac has a black eye in this area has more to do with the quality of service rather than the mechanical quality of the machines themselves. This is something that would not show up in the CR ratings. Why is Generac (home) generator service so poor here? I posit several contributing factors:
1. COVID-19 caused many (most?) of the older, more experienced technicians to leave the work force. This area of the country, possibly due to the prevailing political climate, has a significantly larger population of “vaccine deniers,” leading to a much higher fatality rate than most other areas of the country. This has decimated the pool of “experienced workers” in all industries, but was particularly harsh on the trades industries (including generator repair personnel).
2. The remaining pool of experienced tradesmen can make far higher wages servicing industrial equipment than they can servicing home generators. This area of the country is heavily industrialized.
3. New trades employees entering the workforce therefore choose training (for industrial maintenance) that will compensate them better than small-generator maintenance, exacerbating the shortage of home generator service technicians.
4. The worker shortage has affected Generac more than other brands because of two factors - the large installed base of Generac home products (due to the Generac pricing that is usually the most economical available) and the huge existing inventory of Generac industrial generators in local industries.
5. The wait time for service on a Generac home generator in this area averages six months or more. Technicians for other brands are usually available in three to four months.
6. The wait time for Generac parts is also longer than availabilities for other brands.
The combined effects of the above factors lead most home electrical contractors to not reccomend Generac products.
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