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Post by olbione on Apr 1, 2014 8:12:46 GMT -5
Hi everybody
I'm living in France where EMOTIVA is not well known.
So I guess you will help me.
I'm looking for an amp to support my Yamaha RX-A2020. I've got two choice: either a second hand UPA-7 or a brand new UPA-700.
What do you think about these two amps ? Excepted the difference of power!
Regards
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Post by garbulky on Apr 1, 2014 8:40:49 GMT -5
The UPA-7 is more similar to the build quality and power of the XPA-200 and XPA-100 than to the UPA-200,500, and 700.
I say go with the UPA-7 as long as it's under warranty. It's definitely a more powerful amp. If it's not under warranty....well you may want to consider that choice a bit more carefully as you are in france. The UPA-7 also uses no fans. The UPA-700 has a fan (which by most reports rarely if ever activates).
One difference you may not know about is that the UPA-7 uses 32 db gain and the UPA-700 uses 29db gain.
I don't think you'll be dissapointed with either purchase to be honest.
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Post by aud on Apr 1, 2014 9:10:38 GMT -5
I love my UPA-500! Runs cool, fans have yet to come on. Replaces an Anthem PVA 7.
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Post by olbione on Apr 2, 2014 7:27:03 GMT -5
The UPA-7 is more similar to the build quality and power of the XPA-200 and XPA-100 than to the UPA-200,500, and 700. I say go with the UPA-7 as long as it's under warranty. It's definitely a more powerful amp. If it's not under warranty....well you may want to consider that choice a bit more carefully as you are in france. The UPA-7 also uses no fans. The UPA-700 has a fan (which by most reports rarely if ever activates). One difference you may not know about is that the UPA-7 uses 32 db gain and the UPA-700 uses 29db gain. I don't think you'll be dissapointed with either purchase to be honest. The matter with the second hand UPA7: no invoice, so no warranty.... hum, hum !!!! I'm taking a look on a NuForce MCA20 too. |
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Post by cd on Apr 2, 2014 7:41:33 GMT -5
"The matter with the second hand UPA7: no invoice, so no warranty.... hum, hum !!!!"
This is not a problem, it is an opportunity! Use those facts to your advantage when negotiating the price. The fact of the matter is that power amps are generally very sturdy devices. It is rare for one to fail. And the failure modes usually occur early on. So if that amp is working well now, chances are it'll work well for the next decade or so. See if you can get the price down low enough so that you'd be able to get it repaired and still have a good deal.
Also, the UPA-7 amps were very well-built and nicely designed pieces. Snagging one of those for a good price is a real coup...
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Post by garbulky on Apr 2, 2014 7:42:37 GMT -5
The UPA-7 is more similar to the build quality and power of the XPA-200 and XPA-100 than to the UPA-200,500, and 700. I say go with the UPA-7 as long as it's under warranty. It's definitely a more powerful amp. If it's not under warranty....well you may want to consider that choice a bit more carefully as you are in france. The UPA-7 also uses no fans. The UPA-700 has a fan (which by most reports rarely if ever activates). One difference you may not know about is that the UPA-7 uses 32 db gain and the UPA-700 uses 29db gain. I don't think you'll be dissapointed with either purchase to be honest. The matter with the second hand UPA7: no invoice, so no warranty.... hum, hum !!!! I'm taking a look on a NuForce MCA20 too. It's $2000! It's a switching amplifier (not a torroidal design). And it uses a propriety PWM design. And at 2k it offers RCA jacks only.It's wording is also a little tricky. I'm not sure if it is all channels driven rating or not. Not what I would go for. for 2K, get yourself a sherbourn PA 7-350 on the used market. That's the equivalent of an XPR-7. Sherbourn was an Emotiva company and has a transferrable warranty. And it's a hell of an amp. For new prices you can look at outlaw audio. They have similar prices on beefy seven channel amps. www.outlawaudio.com/products/index.html |
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Post by cd on Apr 2, 2014 7:44:33 GMT -5
The PA 7-350 is a *beast* of an amp! And one of the best deals ever when Emo was blowin' 'em out!
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Post by olbione on Apr 2, 2014 7:56:28 GMT -5
Outlaw don't accept 230VAC !!! You' re right about Nuforce: Classe D amps are too often "cold" and trebles are agressive ...but WAF !!!  |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 2, 2014 8:00:55 GMT -5
Outlaw don't accept 230VAC !!! You' re right about Nuforce: Classe D amps are too often "cold" and trebles are agressive ...but WAF !!! Shhhh....Just don't tell her, she won't notice.....    |
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Post by olbione on Apr 2, 2014 8:04:52 GMT -5
Outlaw don't accept 230VAC !!! You' re right about Nuforce: Classe D amps are too often "cold" and trebles are agressive ...but WAF !!! Shhhh....Just don't tell her, she won't notice..... In France we say: "Ce que femme veut... Dieu veut!" !!! She likes Nuforce design... |
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Post by olbione on Apr 2, 2014 14:05:24 GMT -5
"The matter with the second hand UPA7: no invoice, so no warranty.... hum, hum !!!!" This is not a problem, it is an opportunity! Use those facts to your advantage when negotiating the price. The fact of the matter is that power amps are generally very sturdy devices. It is rare for one to fail. And the failure modes usually occur early on. So if that amp is working well now, chances are it'll work well for the next decade or so. See if you can get the price down low enough so that you'd be able to get it repaired and still have a good deal. Also, the UPA-7 amps were very well-built and nicely designed pieces. Snagging one of those for a good price is a real coup... You're right too !! UPA-7 seems to be reliable. Concerning the negociation, actually at 570 euros (790$). I don't know how much was the original price... I find it expensive for a 5 five years second hand.. don't you? |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 2, 2014 14:09:49 GMT -5
"The matter with the second hand UPA7: no invoice, so no warranty.... hum, hum !!!!" This is not a problem, it is an opportunity! Use those facts to your advantage when negotiating the price. The fact of the matter is that power amps are generally very sturdy devices. It is rare for one to fail. And the failure modes usually occur early on. So if that amp is working well now, chances are it'll work well for the next decade or so. See if you can get the price down low enough so that you'd be able to get it repaired and still have a good deal. Also, the UPA-7 amps were very well-built and nicely designed pieces. Snagging one of those for a good price is a real coup... You're right too !! UPA-7 seems to be reliable. Concerning the negociation, actually at 570 euros (790$). I don't know how much was the original price... I find it expensive for a 5 five years second hand.. don't you? Maybe. I'm not familiar with the shipping and duty costs. I would try to get it down to $600-700. |
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Post by olbione on Apr 2, 2014 14:19:05 GMT -5
You're right too !! UPA-7 seems to be reliable. Concerning the negociation, actually at 570 euros (790$). I don't know how much was the original price... I find it expensive for a 5 five years second hand.. don't you? Maybe. I'm not familiar with the shipping and duty costs. I would try to get it down to $600-700. For example: if I buy a brand new UPA 700: the price is $499, transport is $100, custom tax = $115 and VAT= $120, total cost: $834 or 600 euros |
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Post by olbione on Apr 7, 2014 6:47:12 GMT -5
Finally the UPA-7 has a technical problem and no warranty...
So the UPA-500 could be enought for me....but the UPA-700 allows me to envisage a 7.1 set up in the future, and its power supply is stronger.
What do you suggest ? an UPA-500 which can perfectly drive my little B&W M1 MKII and adding either a UPA-200 or a XPA-200 when I add two big fronts? Or directly use a UPA-700 ?
Rationnaly the UPA-700 is the better choice, but in France we say: "the heart has its reasons, of which reason cannot know" (don't know if it sounds like in french)
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