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Post by zerafa on May 26, 2014 16:33:38 GMT -5
I am thinking about Subs a lot the last few days. I had planned to get a second XS30 after my XMC, and the ability to play with placement etc for the return period month on the sub, just to test if stereo subs would make much of difference.
I have a PSA XS30, and absolutely love it. But now that they are moving the SE versions, I am forced to think about what next a little sooner.
My options are:
- keep the XS30 as is
- upgrade the XS30 to the SE version for $500
- purchase a b-stock XS30 before the last ones are gone (some people have a cheaper upgrade path that recently purchased)
- sell my XS30, and buy a pair of SE versions (possibly trade to XV15 SE pair, or the front firing XV30 set
Or i can just stand pat, with the option of moving the XS30 to pair it with a pair of stereo speakers in the office or reading room / den.
I was also thinking about moving around and putting the ERT-83 in the reading room with the sub, and just use the ERM 6.3 for the l/r/c and subs in the HT room.
Lots of options, and have started to move things around a bit, but trying to get everything calibrated with the changes and moves takes some time. I was hoping the dirac would make things easier and have just been waiting to go that route than spend so much effort myself.
I am leaning towards the pair of XS30s, the difference for the se versions does not seem to be very significant, really seems like more of an evolution.
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Post by Boomzilla on May 26, 2014 16:49:45 GMT -5
Not to be a smart-a**, but it truly depends on several things - your room, your demands for bass volume, and your demands for bass extension.
In my room, a single XV15 provides all the bass (and as deep a bass) as I want. My better half does NOT like subsonics, so I have no need for lower extension. I don't listen loudly, so I have no need for more volume. I have no significant standing wave problems, so I don't need the smoothing effect of dual subs in different locations.
Your situation varies. So ask yourself what (if anything) are you dissatisfied with using your current setup? If it's peaks & dips, then yes, a second sub might be the way to go. If it's volume, ditto. If it's extension, then the dual sealed subs with some EQ might be called for (or look at some brands that go significantly lower without EQ).
If you just have upgrade-itis, then go for some ultimates and be done with it.
By discussing your purchase options before defining the problem, you're putting the cart before the horse, IMHO. Define what you want to improve and then pursue that goal.
Cheers - Boom
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Post by pop on May 26, 2014 22:50:53 GMT -5
Why not just get a Triax and call it a day?
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Post by deltadube on May 27, 2014 1:35:35 GMT -5
Why not just get a Triax and call it a day? come on now pop.. you got to keep it balanced with duals  cheers duals xv 30s be pretty good too.. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 7:13:54 GMT -5
I say get the second xs30. One was fantastic in my setup, but adding the second was the single best upgrade I have made to my HT The bass is much more enveloping. Smoothing was a bonus but with a MINIdsp I had a flat response with only one. I did not updated to two for more out put although that is an added bonus. The second allowed the xs30's to dig deeper because they had to work half a hard. I can now attest the second STILL improves the sound immensely even at low volumes -20db MV (just upgraded to a second child...a girl this time So go for duals IMHO. Hope this helps a little |
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Post by pop on May 27, 2014 8:18:00 GMT -5
Why not just get a Triax and call it a day? come on now pop.. you got to keep it balanced with duals cheers duals xv 30s be pretty good too.. Oh sorry, did I say 1 Triax? Obviously I meant 2. If you are going to go duals, I would add a 2nd XS30 like Bmoney suggested to keep it cheap. There is one of the forum for sale at a great price. If you have the money/space to accommodate You could get 2 XV30SE. With the XV30s you are going to have a hard time wondering what more would be like. I can attest for the awesome power of 2 XV15s. |
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Post by cheglie on May 27, 2014 16:54:38 GMT -5
Holy ****. You guys must luva bit o bass! I just acquired one, yes one, XV15se and can't believe the performance. Hmmmm, add another one? I thought I was getting carried away with one. I would love to hear what you people are putting out of these systems. Must be incredible!!
BTW did I mention I just acquired the XV15se........oh yes I did. And absolutely thrilled with it. What an improvement. My system is on steroids now.
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Post by USNRet on May 27, 2014 17:42:36 GMT -5
Just dropped the coin on a pair of the XS30SEs in cherry.
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Post by pop on May 28, 2014 8:31:56 GMT -5
cheglieThe benefit from dual subs for most of us is a smooth response in rooms a little tougher to fill. With dual subs I find a more encompassing "cinematic" feel to my movies. 1 works great especially with PSA subs, but 2 are beautiful. Now, having the extra headroom with 2? you will never hear me complain about that.
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Post by pop on May 28, 2014 8:32:10 GMT -5
Just dropped the coin on a pair of the XS30SEs in cherry. Nice!!!!!!! |
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Post by Boomzilla on May 28, 2014 8:37:45 GMT -5
You know, if Emotiva plans to be in the subwoofer business, they've got to make some amazing subs to compete with Power Sound Audio. The PSAs have the performance of the expensive jobs at half the price. I wish their wood veneer prices were less, but that's the only criticism I can tag them with. Emotiva needs to consider carefully how they will compete; I don't doubt that it can be done, but it certainly won't be easy...
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Post by pop on May 28, 2014 8:52:56 GMT -5
I would be surprised to see them enter the market. Seeing how it isn't necessary to pair subs with the same manufacturer it just wouldn't make sense to put a product out that other companies will obsolete in seconds should it prove to be a dominant performer. Not that I am against Emotiva and subs, just don't think it is a beneficial market for them. Let's see those speakers though. |
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Post by zerafa on May 28, 2014 20:07:18 GMT -5
Not to be a smart-a**, but it truly depends on several things - your room, your demands for bass volume, and your demands for bass extension. By discussing your purchase options before defining the problem, you're putting the cart before the horse, IMHO. Define what you want to improve and then pursue that goal. Thanks Boom... I was mostly interested in the effect of classical style music with stereo subs, and getting the bass extension to something closer to the live experience. Similarly with movies, having that fully encompassing feeling of the bass hitting me from all sides at once is what i was after. But i wanted to be able to try the second sub with the XMC processor without the commitment, just to feel / hear the difference. My room is about 22 by 18, but open on one side into the atrium stair case that fills into the downstairs of the house. With one XS30, i generally have to keep the base down a bit if the wife is anywhere other than with me on the couch. With 2, this will probably be even more a necessity. Anyway, i made my decision, and placed the order for a B-stock unit. In the end, the price is not going to get any better. And the upgrade to the SE unit is half the price of a b-stock unit. I have pretty much emptied my HT saving budget that was waiting for the XMC, so based on my luck, it will be released next week.... Matt |
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Post by dwt on Jun 6, 2014 9:39:36 GMT -5
Power Sound Audio is what I believe to be the best choice for subs - if you need to buy subs today. They definitely have the ideal balance of price to performance. As mentioned the wood veneer could use a bit of a cost tweak. Contact Tom Vodhanel and I think you will understand how much they are like Emotiva in price/quality manufacturing.
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