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Post by wizardofoz on Jul 17, 2014 1:24:42 GMT -5
I have a flat concrete rebar ceiling so the mounting of speakers up there would be difficult to say the least, I could do it off the sides like my ERD-1's are mounted. Off the top of my front speakers would be impossible as they are open baffles. See the images...   |
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Post by jmilton on Jul 17, 2014 8:10:35 GMT -5
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Post by bootman on Jul 17, 2014 8:26:08 GMT -5
Maybe down the line we will see speakers like this coming back to handle all of these Atmos objects. (notice the date!) www.pioneer.eu/eur/content/press/news_20021010_PDSP1.htmlIf it isn't consumer friendly it will only be a niche feature down the line like 3D is now. (too early to tell now of course so lets hope it doesn't) |
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Post by jmilton on Jul 17, 2014 8:35:13 GMT -5
And that is the main point. Atmos will "live or die" based on consumer adoption. Since the vast majority of consumers do not have 5.1 or more speakers now...I don't see how Atmos will become a standard in American homes, where soundbars and stereo speakers rules. Getting people to buy more...or new speakers is going to be a very tough sale!
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 17, 2014 9:11:15 GMT -5
And that is the main point. Atmos will "live or die" based on consumer adoption. Since the vast majority of consumers do not have 5.1 or more speakers now...I don't see how Atmos will become a standard in American homes, where soundbars and stereo speakers rules. Getting people to buy more...or new speakers is going to be a very tough sale! I have to disagree with you on that. My opinion is it has nothing to do with the utility of Atmos for the home consumer, be it those who are more casual listeners and believe Bose is the apex of audio, or those who are more into it like us in the Lounge (and who may take things to an unhealthy and irrational obsession over .00001 differences in things). It has to do with the fact that Atmos is the latest and greatest. I see it now being discussed in other audio forums and it is pretty obvious most really have no idea what Atmos really is or does (similar to the early days of the Cloud and even today) but they've heard exciting things about it and are curious. Atmos will become a standard on AVR's just like THX Certification did, because it will be a selling point even though many, including salespeople, will really not know much about it. No one wants to be left out. And manufacturers just love putting an additional badge on something to differentiate this year's model from last year's. For that reason alone, Atmos will become a "standard." As far as Atmos itself, I think it is a great concept but to me it is the marketing that will make it a success, not any intrinsic worth. Look at THX Certification - what does that really do for the majority of home users? |
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Post by jmilton on Jul 17, 2014 9:26:44 GMT -5
3D was a "standard" on most 2013 HDTVs. That wasn't a selling point for most consumers. 3D is barely offered on any 2014 HDTVs. Just because all of next years receivers will have Atmos, doesn't mean that consumers will factor it into their buying decision or actually use it in their homes.
However, there are plans to get the common man to adapt. There are plans for Atmos "ready" soundbars. I kid you not!
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Post by bootman on Jul 17, 2014 9:29:51 GMT -5
There are plans for Atmos "ready" soundbars. I kid you not!And if they use similar tech to the old Pioneer concept I mentioned above might actually create some cool effects in the right room. Like every new tech, lets wait and see what comes out then make an informed decision when we are ready to buy. |
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Post by jmilton on Jul 17, 2014 9:32:24 GMT -5
Atmos headphones anyone?  |
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 17, 2014 9:32:54 GMT -5
3D was a "standard" an most 2013 HDTVs. That wasn't a selling point for most consumers. 3D is barely offered on any 2014 HDTVs. Just because all of next years receivers will have Atmos, doesn't mean that consumers will factor it into their buying decision or actually use it in their homes. There are plans for Atmos "ready" soundbars. I kid you not!I agree with you for the most part. But initially with Atmos just being introduced and being the latest and greatest thing, even more important to civilization than the wheel, consumers will be jumping on the bandwagon just because that's what people do. And companies will be forcing it on them by putting it on their faceplates anyway. Now if it turns out that people discover a usable Atmos environment is too much hassle to achieve, then maybe it will go the way of 3D. The way I see it, though, is that Atmos will just be "there" as another feature for an AVS, most of which the majority of consumers probably never use or are aware of. And the other day I saw a tube-powered soundbar being advertised. It didn't say if it was Atmos ready, though. |
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 17, 2014 9:34:26 GMT -5
Atmos headphones anyone? Will they have more than 2 ear cups? |
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Post by jmilton on Jul 17, 2014 9:50:48 GMT -5
Atmos headphones anyone? Will they have more than 2 ear cups?  |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Jul 17, 2014 9:57:24 GMT -5
These would make nice ATMOS ceiling speakers:  |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Jul 17, 2014 9:59:33 GMT -5
Will they have more than 2 ear cups? Why are there 5 ATMOS speakers on those headphones? And . . . wouldn't transducers in a square,rather than straight line, configuration be better? That way you have front and rear ATMOS. |
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Post by emocustomer on Jul 17, 2014 11:33:24 GMT -5
3D was a "standard" on most 2013 HDTVs. That wasn't a selling point for most consumers. 3D is barely offered on any 2014 HDTVs. Just because all of next years receivers will have Atmos, doesn't mean that consumers will factor it into their buying decision or actually use it in their homes. However, there are plans to get the common man to adapt. There are plans for Atmos "ready" soundbars. I kid you not!Yes, one of the benefits of the Atmos concept is that it is so scalable. It can scale from a huge cinema, to a small cinema to a 5.1 or 7.1 HT and even to a soundbar. And because it can also be delivered as a DD 5.1+ bitstream, it can be compressed and sent via streaming services too. All from the one theatrical mix. |
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Post by emocustomer on Jul 17, 2014 11:35:38 GMT -5
And that is the main point. Atmos will "live or die" based on consumer adoption. Since the vast majority of consumers do not have 5.1 or more speakers now...I don't see how Atmos will become a standard in American homes, where soundbars and stereo speakers rules. Getting people to buy more...or new speakers is going to be a very tough sale! It isn't aimed at the average guy. It is aimed at the enthusiast who already has recognised the benefits of 5.1 or 7.1 and already has that at home. By your logic, the XMC-1 will be a disaster because it won't find its way into most American homes. And people are buying new speakers and new AVRs every day of the week, so I don't follow your point there either. |
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Post by emocustomer on Jul 17, 2014 11:37:52 GMT -5
3D was a "standard" an most 2013 HDTVs. That wasn't a selling point for most consumers. 3D is barely offered on any 2014 HDTVs. Just because all of next years receivers will have Atmos, doesn't mean that consumers will factor it into their buying decision or actually use it in their homes. There are plans for Atmos "ready" soundbars. I kid you not!I agree with you for the most part. But initially with Atmos just being introduced and being the latest and greatest thing, even more important to civilization than the wheel, consumers will be jumping on the bandwagon just because that's what people do. And companies will be forcing it on them by putting it on their faceplates anyway. Now if it turns out that people discover a usable Atmos environment is too much hassle to achieve, then maybe it will go the way of 3D. The way I see it, though, is that Atmos will just be "there" as another feature for an AVS, most of which the majority of consumers probably never use or are aware of. And the other day I saw a tube-powered soundbar being advertised. It didn't say if it was Atmos ready, though. There's no question of anyone being "forced" to go the Atmos route. Even if you buy a new Atmos AVR or AVP, it is only costing the same as the outgoing models, so no penalty there. And if you choose not to use Atmos, all your regular Blurays will still work just fine, as will Atmos Blurays if they are played through a non-Atmos system. |
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 17, 2014 11:42:21 GMT -5
I agree with you for the most part. But initially with Atmos just being introduced and being the latest and greatest thing, even more important to civilization than the wheel, consumers will be jumping on the bandwagon just because that's what people do. And companies will be forcing it on them by putting it on their faceplates anyway. Now if it turns out that people discover a usable Atmos environment is too much hassle to achieve, then maybe it will go the way of 3D. The way I see it, though, is that Atmos will just be "there" as another feature for an AVS, most of which the majority of consumers probably never use or are aware of. And the other day I saw a tube-powered soundbar being advertised. It didn't say if it was Atmos ready, though. There's no question of anyone being "forced" to go the Atmos route. Even if you buy a new Atmos AVR or AVP, it is only costing the same as the outgoing models, so no penalty there. And if you choose not to use Atmos, all your regular Blurays will still work just fine, as will Atmos Blurays if they are played through a non-Atmos system. What I meant by "forced" was that it would be there in the product whether we wanted it or not. I wasn't commenting on whether that would add an additional cost burden, nor am I commenting on Atmo's actual utility. Personally I think the concept is great. How much utility it will provide to the majority of home users, I don't know. |
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Post by emocustomer on Jul 17, 2014 11:49:27 GMT -5
There's no question of anyone being "forced" to go the Atmos route. Even if you buy a new Atmos AVR or AVP, it is only costing the same as the outgoing models, so no penalty there. And if you choose not to use Atmos, all your regular Blurays will still work just fine, as will Atmos Blurays if they are played through a non-Atmos system. What I meant by "forced" was that it would be there in the product whether we wanted it or not. I wasn't commenting on whether that would add an additional cost burden, nor am I commenting on Atmo's actual utility. Personally I think the concept is great. How much utility it will provide to the majority of home users, I don't know. There must be two dozen or more features in my current processor that fall into the category of "there whether I want it or not" and AFAICT it is the same with any comparable unit. Do I want networking? No. Spotfy? No? Multiple Zones? No. Bluetooth? No. Headphones? No. Phono stage? No. You get the idea  So long as they don't cost me any money, why do I care? And if new Atmos units are priced the same as the outgoing units, I suspect most people won’t care if they get Atmos along for the ride, even if they don't want it. It will provide zero utility for the majority of home users. Just like 5.1. Or the XMC-1. Or anything that is routinely discussed here on the Lounge. I have no idea where this argument comes from that if something doesn’t appeal to the 'majority of home users' then it must fail, or be a bad idea or whatever. |
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Post by jmilton on Jul 17, 2014 11:57:50 GMT -5
My point stands. Atmos will live if the consumers adopt it. Most consumers have not adopted 5.1- The XMC-1 will be wildly successful because it is marketed to rabid audiophiles (of which I am one), and not meant to be in every home in America. You are asking consumers to ditch their current, shall we call them "traditional speakers", to get "Atmos" speakers. Atmos will be of interest to the niche home theater enthusiast (of which I am one), and even then, many will not jump on it, for whatever reasons...mine being I love my Revels. The fate of Atmos lies in the hands...of the WORLD!  |
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 17, 2014 11:59:02 GMT -5
What I meant by "forced" was that it would be there in the product whether we wanted it or not. I wasn't commenting on whether that would add an additional cost burden, nor am I commenting on Atmo's actual utility. Personally I think the concept is great. How much utility it will provide to the majority of home users, I don't know. There must be two dozen or more features in my current processor that fall into the category of "there whether I want it or not" and AFAICT it is the same with any comparable unit. Do I want networking? No. Spotfy? No? Multiple Zones? No. Bluetooth? No. Headphones? No. Phono stage? No. You get the idea So long as they don't cost me any money, why do I care? And if new Atmos units are priced the same as the outgoing units, I suspect most people won’t care if they get Atmos along for the ride, even if they don't want it. It will provide zero utility for the majority of home users. Just like 5.1. Or the XMC-1. Or anything that is routinely discussed here on the Lounge. I have no idea where this argument comes from that if something doesn’t appeal to the 'majority of home users' then it must fail, or be a bad idea or whatever. I'm not arguing with you. All I said was regardless of the utility of Atmos, it's something that is gonna be on the majority of processors, wanted, needed or not wanted or not needed. The only way it would really fail is if people had to pay extra for it and they didn't see the need. However, I will take your word that it will not add a significant cost, or perhaps any additional cost, to the product. Or, if Atmos for some reason caused major problems with the other functions of the processor, but I doubt that will happen. I agree with what you said above. |
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So long as they don't cost me any money, why do I care? And if new Atmos units are priced the same as the outgoing units, I suspect most people won’t care if they get Atmos along for the ride, even if they don't want it.
