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Post by musicfan on Jun 8, 2018 10:28:24 GMT -5
Still sound upset to me. Instead of bashing Gary maybe try emulating his behavior. You have no idea whats available in Australia or the UK or Europe thats why they have regions. Nothing he says flies in the face of what has been discovered by many people on AVS. I have nothing more to say other than you could use a little work on your tact. Have a nice day. you apparently have not witnessed the constant back and forth of his insistence on this. i DO know what is available in Au or UK...its not hard to find out (and nothing he claims is out is in fact out). especially since 4k isnt region locked. I am frustrated that he cant see whats going on and the holes in his argument. Im not bashing him...but i dont like when someone turns THEIR inadequacies onto ME....I.e. his blatant false claims are ME misreading something?? dont think so... why would I emulate stating false facts. that makes zero sense. yeah thats super tacful... |
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Post by mgbpuff on Jun 8, 2018 10:38:08 GMT -5
Musicfan - I’m with Gary! He is just trying to investigate what he can while he has use of a Storm system. He even apologized to you and tried to explain. What’s with you?
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Post by musicfan on Jun 8, 2018 11:01:37 GMT -5
Musicfan - I’m with Gary! He is just trying to investigate what he can while he has use of a Storm system. He even apologized to you and tried to explain. What’s with you? no he apologized and said its my fault. |
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Post by socketman on Jun 8, 2018 11:45:20 GMT -5
It could be a persons taste in movies, not sure how many helicopters there are in 50 shades of grey for example. You could have a 50 channels and if theres nothing to put there then there is nothing to put there. THis is my complaint with Atmos and surround in general, i have thousands invested in speakers and amps and i most of the movie comes from my center channel.
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Post by musicfan on Jun 8, 2018 11:55:48 GMT -5
It could be a persons taste in movies, not sure how many helicopters there are in 50 shades of grey for example. You could have a 50 channels and if theres nothing to put there then there is nothing to put there. THis is my complaint with Atmos and surround in general, i have thousands invested in speakers and amps and i most of the movie comes from my center channel. When you go outside. You don’t hear birds or trees in the wind above your head? Yes they aren’t always there. But that’s the idea of it. The thought of it being for helicopters and actions movies is a major misconception IMHO the best use of atmos so far is from the movie IT. No helicopters there just pure freaky ness |
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Post by monkumonku on Jun 8, 2018 12:02:35 GMT -5
It could be a persons taste in movies, not sure how many helicopters there are in 50 shades of grey for example. You could have a 50 channels and if theres nothing to put there then there is nothing to put there. THis is my complaint with Atmos and surround in general, i have thousands invested in speakers and amps and i most of the movie comes from my center channel. Well what you can do is what people used to do when the novelty of stereo first appeared, just make sounds come from all over the place regardless of how natural it was.  Personally, I think our brains do a lot of reconciling. That is, if we are watching a movie in surround sound (non-Atmos) and a helicopter appears, our brains will provide the sensation that the sound is above us. We use the visual cues or our knowledge of the sound itself to provide the sensation or illusion of where it is coming from. |
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Post by socketman on Jun 8, 2018 12:29:58 GMT -5
I hate birds, just flying rats imho and rain sux dont want it in my house lol
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Post by musicfan on Jun 8, 2018 13:07:49 GMT -5
I hate birds, just flying rats imho and rain sux dont want it in my house lol even the mixers admit....rain with atmos although cool sounding...makes zero sense...you cant hear rain hit above you if you are out in it lol |
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Post by socketman on Jun 8, 2018 13:14:56 GMT -5
I hate birds, just flying rats imho and rain sux dont want it in my house lol even the mixers admit....rain with atmos although cool sounding...makes zero sense...you cant hear rain hit above you if you are out in it lol Standing by and awning or sitting under one while camping and feeling depressed about the rain, i love reliving those emotions.  |
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Post by musicfan on Jun 8, 2018 13:17:13 GMT -5
even the mixers admit....rain with atmos although cool sounding...makes zero sense...you cant hear rain hit above you if you are out in it lol Standing by and awning or sitting under one while camping and feeling depressed about the rain, i love reliving those emotions. no im aware of those...as well as hitting trees above...he was tlking about when the scene is out in the open |
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Post by mgbpuff on Jun 8, 2018 13:46:18 GMT -5
This thread is devolving into absurdity!
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Post by musicfan on Jun 8, 2018 14:06:50 GMT -5
This thread is devolving into absurdity! Explain |
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Post by Loop 7 on Jun 8, 2018 14:06:51 GMT -5
I'm skipping Atmos and waiting for the next big thing in theater audio.
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Post by mgbpuff on Jun 8, 2018 14:20:14 GMT -5
This thread is devolving into absurdity! Explain No |
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Post by musicfan on Jun 8, 2018 14:58:55 GMT -5
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 8, 2018 15:11:29 GMT -5
Seems to me we still have Camp A and Camp B, and no one here on this forum can provide 100% certainty which is correct.
See a few pages back, but in its minimal form:
Camp A believes Atmos is still what it was to supposed to be. No height channels, only height SPEAKERS, from 2 to 10. Objects move via location, not via a particular speaker.
Camp B believes discs are now being produced where there are only 4 overhead CHANNELS, and objects are being "pinned" to particular channels. No matter how many speakers you have, even 10, only 4 of them will play anything.
So which is it REALLY? That's the big question at hand.
Or could it be both, depending on what company is making the disc? Perhaps everyone is right and everyone is wrong at the same time?
Just talking out loud.
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Post by adaboy on Jun 8, 2018 15:27:11 GMT -5
Honestly I've been rocking atmos in my theater for over a year now (4 height channels) honestly I cannot hear any action above my head when all the action is going. 7.4.4.
So I've just decided to enjoy the ride and appreciate the overall immersion of sound.
I kind of think that was the point of this format, draw you into the film both visually and audibly.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 8, 2018 15:57:38 GMT -5
I dont WTF musicfan is so upset about , must have stock in ATMOS or something. Really , just go read the threads over on AVS from people who work in the industry, they are saying the same things. BTW i read a couple of UK audio magazines and they tend to really get screwed on the soundtrack front over there. I suspect Oz may suffer a similar fate. This is the main reason Oppo's were modified to be region free because there are many discs they dont get and that are also hobbled. They often get releases before us as well. i am not SO upset...I am just saying his "findings" are bogus. and he keeps plastering this stuff allover this board. its fake news. and what I am referring to is the number of discs he claims to be affected. I just want PROOF....not some made up list of movies with a borrowed processor. I have already stated it DOESNT effect me...i have 7.4.4 and have since the day the first atmos processor came out....and will never have/need more channels my room is small enough. this could be about literally anything...and if your argument is made up....im gonna call you out on it. if what he is saying IS true...I want proof...show me screenshots of what the processor says....I will learn somthing new...I am ok with that...but dont tell me you have tested a disc that has ATMOS when that movie was released overseas in commercial theaters 2 days ago! for example....Mr Cook also states (repeatedly) ATMOS discs sound better in general....all you need to do is tell the processor in the settings you have 7.1.4 even though you REALLY only have 5.1 and it will sound better! what?!?! you will be missing sounds! if I only have a 2.1 setup and tell my processor I have 3.1 hooked up...guess what will happen...better sound? NO! you will get zero dialogue since the center channel wont be heard! so I am debunking a false generalization with false claims....so someone doesnt stumble upon this thread and read these false reports....and think they are true...thats not ok I think you are reading more into what I post than what I actually write. If you dissagree with what I have found, heard with my own ears, that's fine, I have no problem with that. Plenty of other listeners have found similar results and confirmation from people who work in the industry is getting more common by the day. The fact is I spent a weekend with a long time friend of mine (best man at my wedding) playing around with set ups to find one that worked in his room. He was concerned that the space which suites a 5.1.2 system wasn't going to do justice to Atmos /DTS-X/Auro sound tracks mixed for 23.1.12 or whatever. He was looking to upgrade his 2 year old low cost Atmos receiver so we needed a processor that could handle anything we threw at it, hence he borrowed the Storm. That was the purpose of the weekend, to satisfy his requirements in regards to how suitable 5.1.2 was to the range of movies that he watches, I just brought along a handful of mine to help in that. With the above in mind, this wasn't a test session for Atmos discs, it wasn't limited to Atmos discs, we used the Storm's up mixing capabilities, we played SACD's, stereo CD's even streamed some 4K stuff from Netflix and Stan. What we noticed during the testing was that a large number of the movies we had only displayed and played 7.1.4 even though we told the processor it was 9.1.6. I had heard something about some discs being pinned to 7.1.4 but we found a lot of ours were. Plainly we have a preference for Disney movies with a few Sony and Warners thrown in, which obviously skews the numbers. I have made no claims about this being a definitive Atmos test, that was nothing more than a biproduct of the main testing, which was room layout and then processor selection. We took lots of measurements, SPL checks etc with that in mind. The Atmos results really didn't hit me until I came home and read the Denon thread on AVS (it was one of the processors on his list). There I found that a lot of people had encountered that same things as we had. If I get another opportunity to do a real Atmos test I will most certainly take lots of pictures, log the data and record every listening in great detail. In the interim please feel free to read what others have found, they don't seem too different from our experiences. Cheers Gary |
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Post by socketman on Jun 8, 2018 16:17:19 GMT -5
Gary is jurasic park fallen kingdom out in Oz?
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Post by musicfan on Jun 8, 2018 17:26:38 GMT -5
i am not SO upset...I am just saying his "findings" are bogus. and he keeps plastering this stuff allover this board. its fake news. and what I am referring to is the number of discs he claims to be affected. I just want PROOF....not some made up list of movies with a borrowed processor. I have already stated it DOESNT effect me...i have 7.4.4 and have since the day the first atmos processor came out....and will never have/need more channels my room is small enough. this could be about literally anything...and if your argument is made up....im gonna call you out on it. if what he is saying IS true...I want proof...show me screenshots of what the processor says....I will learn somthing new...I am ok with that...but dont tell me you have tested a disc that has ATMOS when that movie was released overseas in commercial theaters 2 days ago! for example....Mr Cook also states (repeatedly) ATMOS discs sound better in general....all you need to do is tell the processor in the settings you have 7.1.4 even though you REALLY only have 5.1 and it will sound better! what?!?! you will be missing sounds! if I only have a 2.1 setup and tell my processor I have 3.1 hooked up...guess what will happen...better sound? NO! you will get zero dialogue since the center channel wont be heard! so I am debunking a false generalization with false claims....so someone doesnt stumble upon this thread and read these false reports....and think they are true...thats not ok I think you are reading more into what I post than what I actually write. If you dissagree with what I have found, heard with my own ears, that's fine, I have no problem with that. Plenty of other listeners have found similar results and confirmation from people who work in the industry is getting more common by the day. The fact is I spent a weekend with a long time friend of mine (best man at my wedding) playing around with set ups to find one that worked in his room. He was concerned that the space which suites a 5.1.2 system wasn't going to do justice to Atmos /DTS-X/Auro sound tracks mixed for 23.1.12 or whatever. He was looking to upgrade his 2 year old low cost Atmos receiver so we needed a processor that could handle anything we threw at it, hence he borrowed the Storm. That was the purpose of the weekend, to satisfy his requirements in regards to how suitable 5.1.2 was to the range of movies that he watches, I just brought along a handful of mine to help in that. With the above in mind, this wasn't a test session for Atmos discs, it wasn't limited to Atmos discs, we used the Storm's up mixing capabilities, we played SACD's, stereo CD's even streamed some 4K stuff from Netflix and Stan. What we noticed during the testing was that a large number of the movies we had only displayed and played 7.1.4 even though we told the processor it was 9.1.6. I had heard something about some discs being pinned to 7.1.4 but we found a lot of ours were. Plainly we have a preference for Disney movies with a few Sony and Warners thrown in, which obviously skews the numbers. I have made no claims about this being a definitive Atmos test, that was nothing more than a biproduct of the main testing, which was room layout and then processor selection. We took lots of measurements, SPL checks etc with that in mind. The Atmos results really didn't hit me until I came home and read the Denon thread on AVS (it was one of the processors on his list). There I found that a lot of people had encountered that same things as we had. If I get another opportunity to do a real Atmos test I will most certainly take lots of pictures, log the data and record every listening in great detail. In the interim please feel free to read what others have found, they don't seem too different from our experiences. Cheers Gary My apologies then. I thought you were using 4K discs and Blu-ray a. Looking for atmos. Again sorry. The way your wrote it was odd and even when I questioned it you still said you used discs etc. but again my apologies |
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