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Post by BassThatHz on Jul 21, 2014 21:17:18 GMT -5
You could buy an DCX, it can process 6 subwoofers simultaneously with different settings. You can feed it Left Sub, Right Sub, and when set to XMC-1 mono it would become a 6-way mono or dual 3-way mono, or triple 2-way mono. It can also do stereo-way, tri-way, and tri-way + one X&Y summing, or any combination thereof. On all 6 channels it has PEQ, DEQ, Compressor/Expander, XO, Delay, variable phase, limiting. (It basically has everything.) That's what I run. www.parts-express.com/behringer-dcx2496-ultradrive-pro-digital-24-bit-96-khz-loudspeaker-management-system-cros--248-669If you need a few more outputs you can use a miniDSP 10X10, which I believe can do basically the same thing, but more $$$ www.minidsp.com/products/minidsp-in-a-box/minidsp-10x10-hdProbably not the answer you want to hear, but it's an answer... |
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Post by bootman on Jul 21, 2014 22:00:39 GMT -5
Looks like a firmware update is in order to get a true dual mono out.
I'm a little surprised this wasn't brought up during beta testing.
A dual mono setup across the room isn't that uncommon amoung enthusiast.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 21, 2014 22:30:48 GMT -5
A dual mono setup across the room isn't that uncommon amoung enthusiast. Movie enthusiast or music enthusiast? A "music enthusiast" will most likely want stereo subs symmetrically placed with a view to achieving the absolute minimum of equalisation. A "movie enthusiast" will most likely want mono subs and will realise that it's not possible to time align asymmetric subs for all seating positions. Cheers Gary |
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Post by sme on Jul 22, 2014 2:15:54 GMT -5
Assuming your player has analog outputs, would it be possible to put a y-splitter on the player's LFE output and use the analog inputs on the XMC-1? That way you could trick the XMC-1 into thinking the signal received was either 2.2, 5.2 or 7.2 thus enabling you to EQ the subs independently even on a "mono" LFE track. I don't think you have to do that. LFE is mono and appears already on both the L and R sub. The question is for all other sub content other than the LFE channel. The more I think about it the more it may be that for movies this might not be that big of an issue. How many movies have that much "lower than 80Hz content" going to the main channels now? I don't think anyone knows since for the most part we set our speakers to small and XO at 80 anyway. Am I off base here? (pun intended) Modern movies have no shortage of content below 80 Hz in the mains channels. In fact, material extending all the way to 0 Hz is frequently found there. What you actually find there can vary considerably from film to film. A lot of this is discussed in this thread on Data Bass. In a proper mix, LFE effects get mixed into the mains channels at lower levels so those without LFE handling don't miss sound effects. Note also that bass managed output levels over 115 dB (at reference level) are not unheard of. Sometimes loud bass effects are mixed into the mains channels in addition to the LFE channel to make them stronger. |
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Post by igorzep on Jul 22, 2014 2:19:27 GMT -5
Movie enthusiast or music enthusiast? Both A "music enthusiast" will most likely want stereo subs symmetrically placed with a view to achieving the absolute minimum of equalisation. Wrong assumption. It is exactly why you need two mono subs (properly time aligned). With Stereo subs you will have more need for EQ as you are placing both subs to nonoptimal places and EQing more uneven response. With two mono subs you get as flat response as you can acoustically and then EQ. Then you pay the lowest price and gain from increased headroom. With stereo subs you just pay more headroom when doing an EQ. A "movie enthusiast" will most likely want mono subs and will realise that it's not possible to time align asymmetric subs for all seating positions. Not all, even just one - the one where I am sitting.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 12:39:05 GMT -5
Is there a place in the xmc to set a hpf for your subwoofers, this would allow me to do away with my minidsp.
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Post by bradleyaudio on Jul 23, 2014 15:03:20 GMT -5
Modern movies have no shortage of content below 80 Hz. In fact, material extending all the way to 0 Hz is frequently found there. What you actually find there can vary considerably from film to film. A lot of this is discussed in this thread on Data Bass. In a proper mix, LFE effects get mixed into the mains channels at lower levels so those without LFE handling don't miss sound effects. Note also that bass managed output levels over 115 dB (at reference level) are not unheard of. Sometimes loud bass effects are mixed into the mains channels in addition to the LFE channel to make them stronger. The link seems to point to this thread? This is something which is a lot of interest to me but can't find much data on. I have been using a 100Hz xover but will likely go to 60Hz with the XMC-1, partially driven by the assumption that it will reduce the overall acoustic energy supplied by the subs (which I will be running in stereo). But this assumption may be incorrect. |
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Post by urwi on Jul 23, 2014 16:27:35 GMT -5
Looks like a firmware update is in order to get a true dual mono out. I'm a little surprised this wasn't brought up during beta testing. A dual mono setup across the room isn't that uncommon amoung enthusiast. I'm not surprised. They asked only fans to beta test. If you want to get useful feedback then you have to ask people that are unbiased. Or at least ask people that have different biases. |
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 23, 2014 16:30:41 GMT -5
Looks like a firmware update is in order to get a true dual mono out. I'm a little surprised this wasn't brought up during beta testing. A dual mono setup across the room isn't that uncommon amoung enthusiast. I'm not surprised. They asked only fans to beta test. If you want to get useful feedback then you have to ask people that are unbiased. Or at least ask people that have different biases. And you know that for a fact? |
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Post by urwi on Jul 23, 2014 16:36:27 GMT -5
I'm not surprised. They asked only fans to beta test. If you want to get useful feedback then you have to ask people that are unbiased. Or at least ask people that have different biases. And you know that for a fact? Sounds like you know for a fact that my assumption isn't true. Care to elaborate? |
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 23, 2014 16:40:01 GMT -5
And you know that for a fact? Sounds like you know for a fact that my assumption isn't true. Care to elaborate? The burden of proof is on the one making the statement. Me, I don't know if it is true or not, so I'm not foolish enough to make a statement like you did. |
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Post by urwi on Jul 23, 2014 16:46:48 GMT -5
Sounds like you know for a fact that my assumption isn't true. Care to elaborate? The burden of proof is on the one making the statement. Me, I don't know if it is true or not, so I'm not foolish enough to make a statement like you did. The only people that have come forward are lounge members and employees. So it seems to be highly unlikely that anybody else did beta testing. It's very common to have fans do beta testing for marketing reasons. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 23, 2014 16:59:25 GMT -5
The burden of proof is on the one making the statement. Me, I don't know if it is true or not, so I'm not foolish enough to make a statement like you did. The only people that have come forward are lounge members and employees. So it seems to be highly unlikely that anybody else did beta testing. It's very common to have fans do beta testing for marketing reasons. But even if the beta did include 'non-fans' that doesn't in any way imply that they would have found or complained about this missing subwoofer configuration. They MAY have found it, or they could have gone off on some other tangent about the menu system, the display, or the video switching. The people in this tread are 'passionate' about subwoofer configuration, it doesn't mean that's typical of the user base (bass). |
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Post by urwi on Jul 23, 2014 17:04:00 GMT -5
The only people that have come forward are lounge members and employees. So it seems to be highly unlikely that anybody else did beta testing. It's very common to have fans do beta testing for marketing reasons. But even if the beta did include 'non-fans' that doesn't in any way imply that they would have found or complained about this missing subwoofer configuration. They MAY have found it, or they could have gone off on some other tangent about the menu system, the display, or the video switching. The people in this tread are 'passionate' about subwoofer configuration, it doesn't mean that's typical of the user base (bass). Exactly why one would want to include as many different people from different places and different use cases as possible and not just family and friends. |
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Post by geebo on Jul 23, 2014 17:15:46 GMT -5
The burden of proof is on the one making the statement. Me, I don't know if it is true or not, so I'm not foolish enough to make a statement like you did. The only people that have come forward are lounge members and employees. So it seems to be highly unlikely that anybody else did beta testing. It's very common to have fans do beta testing for marketing reasons. Are you saying that fans would report no issues back to the manufacturer? Why would a fan want something to get out with problems? |
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Post by urwi on Jul 23, 2014 17:19:39 GMT -5
The only people that have come forward are lounge members and employees. So it seems to be highly unlikely that anybody else did beta testing. It's very common to have fans do beta testing for marketing reasons. Are you saying that fans would report no issues back to the manufacturer? Why would a fan want something to get out with problems? The question was why the bass mangement issue "wasn't brought up during beta testing". I simply provided a possible explanation. Fans and employees are biased. |
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Post by geebo on Jul 23, 2014 17:22:51 GMT -5
Are you saying that fans would report no issues back to the manufacturer? Why would a fan want something to get out with problems? The question was why the bass mangement issue wasn't cought in the beta test. I simply provided a possible explanation. Fans are biased. But a fan would be quicker to point out flaws they uncover before introduction. And non-fans can also be biased the other way and might even keep flaws to themselves and not warn the manufacturer. |
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Post by urwi on Jul 23, 2014 17:25:55 GMT -5
The question was why the bass mangement issue wasn't cought in the beta test. I simply provided a possible explanation. Fans are biased. But a fan would be quicker to point out flaws they uncover before introduction. And non-fans can also be biased the other way and might even keep flaws to themselves and not warn the manufacturer. There are lots of cognitive biases (not just fans and non-fans) and exactly why I've said what I've said in emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/655903/threadThe question is why a company does beta testing. Often it's not just bug hunting... |
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Post by edrummereasye on Jul 23, 2014 21:52:03 GMT -5
The burden of proof is on the one making the statement. Me, I don't know if it is true or not, so I'm not foolish enough to make a statement like you did. The only people that have come forward are lounge members and employees. So it seems to be highly unlikely that anybody else did beta testing. It's very common to have fans do beta testing for marketing reasons. Of course, if someone wasn't a Lounge member, they wouldn't post about their experiences...on the Lounge. And, if they weren't a fan, meh...why come forward at all? Besides, there's a whole lot of forums out there, besides the Lounge and AVS...and lots of people who don't post on either...or, perhaps, any. |
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Post by bootman on Jul 23, 2014 22:25:53 GMT -5
Are you saying that fans would report no issues back to the manufacturer? Why would a fan want something to get out with problems? The question was why the bass mangement issue "wasn't brought up during beta testing". I simply provided a possible explanation. Fans and employees are biased. It seems the most likely answer is that they just didn't have a multiple sub setup. I thought Andrew did before he moved but honestly don't know what he has now. It doesn't matter anyway. A firmware fix is on the way. |
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