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Post by neo20013 on Jul 24, 2014 14:34:16 GMT -5
No and that is why we started the process. We wanted to be as careful and objective as possible.Lonnie Will this process be replicated in future Emotiva processors? |
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 24, 2014 14:41:09 GMT -5
No and that is why we started the process. We wanted to be as careful and objective as possible.Lonnie Will this process be replicated in future Emotiva processors? After all the grief they went through, why would Emo ever want to release another processor?  (just kidding.. the XMC-1 seems like a winner) |
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Post by Lonnie on Jul 24, 2014 14:45:33 GMT -5
No and that is why we started the process. We wanted to be as careful and objective as possible.Lonnie Will this process be replicated in future Emotiva processors? No, it was a real pain in the @$$. Just kidding, yes absolutely. Lonnie |
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Post by neo20013 on Jul 24, 2014 16:13:52 GMT -5
After all the grief they went through, why would Emo ever want to release another processor? I cannot imagine the R&D costs of a product of the magnitude of the XMC-1. Using all that knowledge to create a set of products based on the same platform, for the other lines, Ultra (UMC-500) and Reference (RMC-1), seems a logical financial move  |
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Post by sme on Jul 24, 2014 17:27:40 GMT -5
Modern movies have no shortage of content below 80 Hz in the mains channels. In fact, material extending all the way to 0 Hz is frequently found there. What you actually find there can vary considerably from film to film. A lot of this is discussed in this thread on Data Bass. In a proper mix, LFE effects get mixed into the mains channels at lower levels so those without LFE handling don't miss sound effects. Note also that bass managed output levels over 115 dB (at reference level) are not unheard of. Sometimes loud bass effects are mixed into the mains channels in addition to the LFE channel to make them stronger. The link seems to point to this thread? This is something which is a lot of interest to me but can't find much data on. I have been using a 100Hz xover but will likely go to 60Hz with the XMC-1, partially driven by the assumption that it will reduce the overall acoustic energy supplied by the subs (which I will be running in stereo). But this assumption may be incorrect. Sorry about the bad link! I fixed it in my original post. That thread has a lot of fascinating data in it. You may have to dig to find someone corroborating my claim directly, but if you look at the traces for several bass heavy movies, you will see plenty reach well over 115 dB at some frequencies. Note that at reference level, the LFE track alone can contribute up to 115 dB RMS. Each mains channel can contribute 105 dB RMS. For a 5.1 mix, that's a total of 123.2 dB rms, and for a 7.1 mix, a total of 125.1 dB rms. In other words, you can't really have too much bass headroom! |
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Post by wbroshea on Jul 24, 2014 18:33:52 GMT -5
After all the grief they went through, why would Emo ever want to release another processor? I cannot imagine the R&D costs of a product of the magnitude of the XMC-1. Using all that knowledge to create a set of products based on the same platform, for the other lines, Ultra (UMC-500) and Reference (RMC-1), seems a logical financial move I would guess that this is the real money maker, not the XMC-1 regardless of how well it does. Pure guess of course. |
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Post by petew on Jul 24, 2014 18:54:47 GMT -5
Did you go though that process for the UMC-1 too? No and that is why we started the process. We wanted to be as careful and objective as possible. Lonnie I've said this before, but I think the best thing you guys have done is to dump your asian partners. UMC-1, UMC-200, Sherbourn processors, and all the cancelled XMC-1 variants were hampered by that one thing. Emotiva engineers, MDS engineers, Dolby and DTS consultants, Dirac team, USA based board manufacturing, all are a winning combination. Let Asia do the messy bits like casework, fidgety front panel, transformers, power supplies, remote controls, AM/FM tuner module. Emotiva and partners should keep total control of the hard parts. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 25, 2014 1:16:46 GMT -5
Oddly enough, people who aren't fans never seem interested in becoming beta testers.... Since we have plenty of fans, it seems pointless to pay people who aren't interested, so we can get them to test a product they aren't interested in.... This is especially true since, because they aren't interested, they're not very likely to give it a fair shot, or suddenly become converts. Fans are actually more likely to find bugs and other shortcomings, since they are "interested observers", rather than someone hoping to get through the test in time for dinner... I think this is true, I've been a software beta tester several times, but only for software that I wanted and needed on my network. I wanted the end product in production but I also didn't want to have problems, so I was willing to put in the time to test the things that were asked of me, and to participate in the weekly conference calls to report my findings (and hear what the other testers had found). I think you need some desire or passion for the product you're testing to do a good job (unless you're a professional who is paid to put a product through its paces and document your findings). Certainly in the case of the XMC-1 you need to have testers familiar with most of the functions of a processor, and though you probably give them a list of functions you want tested, you also want to hear about the things they tried that you hadn't considered. I suppose if you knew a 'qualified skeptic' who wanted to put in the time to give the product a fair shake that could have value, then again you probably don't spend much time looking for people who don't like your stuff. |
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Post by bolle on Jul 25, 2014 2:45:50 GMT -5
Urwi, just let it be, thank you. Not only are you hijacking this thread with a topic which has nothing to do with the thread title but imho you are also pretty rude.
I have been earning my money as a director of QA for the last 4 years and I understand Emotivas approach. Not everyone is a good tester and especially with a betatest you can waste a lot of money and effort when not carefully selecting the people for your test team. I made this mistake myself and learned a lot from it how not to do it.
Emotiva obviously choosed people who they know from their posts and their history here and where they had at least an idea how valuable their contribution and feedback could be. Again, a valid approach in my opinion. I guess they also concentrated on US residents (costs...).
So far they have been pretty openminded regarding the feedback which has risen from the preliminary manual and the reports regarding the XMC-1 so far. Of course they still have to proof that the feedback will be taken serious, communication improved, regular firmware updates will published WITH release notes. But since this is a different SW-developing team as with the UMCs (where I was really disappointed with the way the user feedback regarding the UMC-200 was dealt with, or rather neglected...) lets give them the benefit of doubt and a fair chance. So far I like what I can see and read and I have always been more of a critic on this boards.
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Post by Dan Laufman on Jul 25, 2014 6:34:43 GMT -5
Gentlemen,
We've taken a completely different approach with the XMC-1 and it shows.
We have complete control of this platform from end to end. All comments are being listened to and where possible, and necessary, they are being addressed.
This is a fantastic platform and has many years ahead of it and we will continue to enhance its capabilities based on your feedback and observations. We also have a long list of added functionality we are working on that will be released on a regular basis, enhancing the utility and flexibility of the unit.
The comments on bass management have been noted and are being reviewed and wil be addressed ASAP. We get it.
Next...
Peace,
Big Dan
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Post by urwi on Jul 25, 2014 9:22:27 GMT -5
Will the currently shipping XMC-1 be upgradeable to Atmos? Gentlemen, We've taken a completely different approach with the XMC-1 and it shows. We have complete control of this platform from end to end. All comments are being listened to and where possible, and necessary, they are being addressed. This is a fantastic platform and has many years ahead of it and we will continue to enhance its capabilities based on your feedback and observations. We also have a long list of added functionality we are working on that will be released on a regular basis, enhancing the utility and flexibility of the unit. The comments on bass management have been noted and are being reviewed and wil be addressed ASAP. We get it. Next... Peace, Big Dan |
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Post by bolle on Jul 25, 2014 9:28:20 GMT -5
Lonnie already said something regarding this topic - and again, this has nothing to do with bass management!
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Post by urwi on Jul 25, 2014 9:38:16 GMT -5
Lonnie already said something regarding this topic - and again, this has nothing to do with bass management! Relax. I was asking a simple question which was directly related to what Dan said. Do you want me to open a new thread just for that? It's normal that threads deviate from the original topic and it's because other people (like you) respond to off-topic posts. Just don't do it. If you want only on-topic posts then probably 90% of all posts have to be deleted. Especially on this forum. If you want to be helpful I'd appreciate if you could tell me what Lonnie said or provide a link? |
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Post by geebo on Jul 25, 2014 9:43:11 GMT -5
Lonnie already said something regarding this topic - and again, this has nothing to do with bass management! Relax. I was asking a simple question which was directly related to what Dan said. Do you want me to open a new thread just for that? It's normal that threads deviate from the original topic and it's because other people (like you) respond to off-topic posts. Just don't do it. If you want only on-topic posts then probably 90% of all posts have to be deleted. Especially on this forum. If you want to be helpful I'd appreciate if you could tell me what Lonnie said or provide a link? You could always post in the requested feature thread... |
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Post by urwi on Jul 25, 2014 9:44:50 GMT -5
I already did. Relax. I was asking a simple question which was directly related to what Dan said. Do you want me to open a new thread just for that? It's normal that threads deviate from the original topic and it's because other people (like you) respond to off-topic posts. Just don't do it. If you want only on-topic posts then probably 90% of all posts have to be deleted. Especially on this forum. If you want to be helpful I'd appreciate if you could tell me what Lonnie said or provide a link? You could always post in the requested feature thread... |
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Post by bolle on Jul 25, 2014 10:14:16 GMT -5
Lonnie said that they are looking into it but at the moment it is too early to make any definite statement if it will or won´t be possible and if it is if it will ever happen. I think they have enough to do with Dirac and the first feature requests and bug fixes first, lets wait and see. But I wouldn´t bet money on Atmos coming to the XMC-1.  |
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Post by bluescale on Jul 25, 2014 20:54:47 GMT -5
If you want to be helpful I'd appreciate if you could tell me what Lonnie said or provide a link? Here's a link to Lonnie's post wrt to Atmos: emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/652874/threadWhile some of this has been OT, I appreciate urwi's questions. Emo's had a spotty past with some of their previous processors, and through his (I'm assuming urwi is a he - if not, my apologies) questions, we've gotten some good information from Lonnie about their new beta testing process. I'm a lot more comfortable knowing that testing happened outside of just the mods - no offense meant to any mods. |
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Post by dreamwarrior on Jul 29, 2014 1:27:43 GMT -5
Gentlemen, We've taken a completely different approach with the XMC-1 and it shows. We have complete control of this platform from end to end. All comments are being listened to and where possible, and necessary, they are being addressed. This is a fantastic platform and has many years ahead of it and we will continue to enhance its capabilities based on your feedback and observations. We also have a long list of added functionality we are working on that will be released on a regular basis, enhancing the utility and flexibility of the unit. The comments on bass management have been noted and are being reviewed and wil be addressed ASAP. We get it. Next... Peace, Big Dan I realize I'm a newb (lurker), but I just wanted to chime in that the lack of true "dual-mono" control over the subs is the only thing stopping me from giving this unit a shot. Having two independent subwoofers placed asymmetrically (on purpose) in the room, means I need this feature. Even better if Dirac (when it comes) can automatically time align and EQ them! Having placed the two subs in this manner has very much improved my bass response, I would certainly not want to regress by switching to "stereo subs" (which is, IMO, a misnomer anyway since sub woofer content should be monaural and not localize-able when correctly configured). Having said that, I really hope Emotiva is true to its word -- address it and I'd love to try this thing! It's nice to have an American company building this product and actually attempting to interact with and respond to its user base. |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Jul 29, 2014 17:19:40 GMT -5
Hi all,
We've heard you loud and clear as it relates to dual mono bass management on the XMC-1.
Look for a firmware update by Friday, or Monday at the latest that will add this feature. We've got it running here now and are just banging on it to make sure it's rock solid.
You'll be able to dial in independent delay and EQ settings for each dual mono sub. All other bass management remains the same.
We've also added some additional improvements in this upcoming SW package will further improve the XMC-1's performance, stability, and features.
Firmware release notes will be included with the package.
As I mentioned before, the XMC-1 and its progeny are going to be different animals. We control 100% of what's going on now, and I believe it shows.
Thanks for your support and trust.
Cheers,
Big Dan
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Post by hifiaudio2 on Jul 29, 2014 17:29:46 GMT -5
Dan this is terrible service. Here you are enhancing a product that you have not sent me an email allowing me to buy. For shame!
Just kidding of course. This sounds like a terrific new course for Emotiva and I will be happy to be along for the ride! Thanks!
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