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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 20:25:38 GMT -5
I've been through every branch of the menu tree and can't find where to set the crossover for the subs... Is it automatically set to cover everything under the crossover on the other 7 speakers ?
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Post by foggy1956 on Sept 7, 2014 20:44:03 GMT -5
I've been through every branch of the menu tree and can't find where to set the crossover for the subs... Is it automatically set to cover everything under the crossover on the other 7 speakers ? 120 hz fixed |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 20:51:10 GMT -5
wow, really that high ? Is it in the manual ? I must have missed that part.
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Post by deltadube on Sept 7, 2014 21:02:46 GMT -5
I've been through every branch of the menu tree and can't find where to set the crossover for the subs... Is it automatically set to cover everything under the crossover on the other 7 speakers ? 120 hz fixed whats the roll off slopes for it? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 21:08:14 GMT -5
selectable 12 or 24 db
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Post by geebo on Sept 7, 2014 21:27:36 GMT -5
wow, really that high ? Is it in the manual ? I must have missed that part. Keep in mind that there is seldom anything that high in the LFE channel. The LFE is the only thing affected by that crossover. And if you could set it to something like 80 and there was content in the LFE up to 120, you would simply lose it. It really isn't a crossover but a low pass filter. Many people will tell you the best setting is as high as possible or off if that's an option. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 21:39:41 GMT -5
^^^^Thank you I never looked at that way, makes sense...
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Post by bootman on Sept 7, 2014 21:59:58 GMT -5
Besides the LFE the sub gets everything else below what you set you other speakers to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 22:18:46 GMT -5
"The LFE is the only thing affected by that crossover"
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So, I guess this 120hz might also be in place because of the way Dirac works. I know that on the Dspeaker Dual Core you turn your sub(s) up to the highest crossover point which on the subs I use is 150hz. Then after Dspeaker does its eqing you adjust your sub manually to where you think it sounds best when used with your other speakers.
Geebo, as far the 120hz being a low pass filter, do the other speakers use a high pass filter of sorts, or do they only have their own XO adjustments? What is the range those XO points? Is the XO univerally applied or can it be speaker specific?
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Post by geebo on Sept 8, 2014 6:55:42 GMT -5
" The LFE is the only thing affected by that crossover" ========================================================================================== So, I guess this 120hz might also be in place because of the way Dirac works. I know that on the Dspeaker Dual Core you turn your sub(s) up to the highest crossover point which on the subs I use is 150hz. Then after Dspeaker does its eqing you adjust your sub manually to where you think it sounds best when used with your other speakers. Geebo, as far the 120hz being a low pass filter, do the other speakers use a high pass filter of sorts, or do they only have their own XO adjustments? What is the range those XO points? Is the XO univerally applied or can it be speaker specific? Thanks I don't know for absolute certainty that Emotiva has chosen 120Hz for their LFP for LFE. Some here have said it's 120 and I've heard nothing different from Emotiva. The other speakers have a crossover (not a filter) in that everything above that frequency will go to the speaker and everything below that frequency will go to the subwoofer. If you set your speakers to full range there is no HPF used. I don't recall the range of crossover adjustment but it's enough to not be a problem and it is applied per speaker groups ie fronts, surrounds, center, backs. |
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Post by geebo on Sept 8, 2014 7:00:28 GMT -5
Besides the LFE the sub gets everything else below what you set you other speakers to. I guess then that if you have your mains' crossover set to 150Hz then with a 120Hz LPF everything between 120 and 150 is lost? All the more reason to not even have an LPF or maybe make it 250Hz. |
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Post by bootman on Sept 8, 2014 9:01:38 GMT -5
Besides the LFE the sub gets everything else below what you set you other speakers to. I guess then that if you have your mains' crossover set to 150Hz then with a 120Hz LPF everything between 120 and 150 is lost? All the more reason to not even have an LPF or maybe make it 250Hz. The 120Hz for LFE is in my view a movies only setting. (unless you have a 5.1 audio only track with LFE content) But yes, setting the mains to 150 will mean everything below 150 gets sent to the sub (from the main's full range signal) So you really won't lose anything. Channels 1-7 full range signal - everything below XO gets sent to sub LFE - everything below 120 gets sent to sub. Makes sense? |
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Post by geebo on Sept 8, 2014 9:13:22 GMT -5
I guess then that if you have your mains' crossover set to 150Hz then with a 120Hz LPF everything between 120 and 150 is lost? All the more reason to not even have an LPF or maybe make it 250Hz. The 120Hz for LFE is in my view a movies only setting. (unless you have a 5.1 audio only track with LFE content) But yes, setting the mains to 150 will mean everything below 150 gets sent to the sub (from the main's full range signal) So you really won't lose anything. Channels 1-7 full range signal - everything below XO gets sent to sub LFE - everything below 120 gets sent to sub. Makes sense? Yes, but if you have your crossovers set to 150, and the LFE LPF set to 120, what happens to anything between 120 and 150? |
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Post by bootman on Sept 8, 2014 9:27:51 GMT -5
You are assuming there is LFE info above 120.
There isn't.
Any non LFE bass regardless of freq is in the main channels.
That was the point I was trying to make.
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Post by geebo on Sept 8, 2014 10:21:56 GMT -5
You are assuming there is LFE info above 120. There isn't. Any non LFE bass regardless of freq is in the main channels. That was the point I was trying to make. Is 120Hz an official frequency limit for LFE content? My question was if you have a LPF set to 120Hz, and you have your mains crossover at 150Hz, does the content between 120 and 150 get sent to and played in the subwoofwer channel. Does the 120Hz LPF filter only the LFE or anything that gets sent to the subwoofer? |
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Post by bootman on Sept 8, 2014 10:48:52 GMT -5
You are assuming there is LFE info above 120. There isn't. Any non LFE bass regardless of freq is in the main channels. That was the point I was trying to make. Is 120Hz an official frequency limit for LFE content? My question was if you have a LPF set to 120Hz, and you have your mains crossover at 150Hz, does the content between 120 and 150 get sent to and played in the subwoofwer channel. Does the 120Hz LPF filter only the LFE or anything that gets sent to the subwoofer? LFE should only be LFE and yes that is the LFE spec. 120Hz or lower. Here is a Dolby PDF on LFE that can explain some things much more eloquently than I. www.dolby.com/uploadedFiles/Assets/US/Doc/Professional/38_LFE.pdfKey point to remember. LFE does not equal subwoofer.  |
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Post by geebo on Sept 8, 2014 11:09:36 GMT -5
Is 120Hz an official frequency limit for LFE content? My question was if you have a LPF set to 120Hz, and you have your mains crossover at 150Hz, does the content between 120 and 150 get sent to and played in the subwoofwer channel. Does the 120Hz LPF filter only the LFE or anything that gets sent to the subwoofer? LFE should only be LFE and yes that is the LFE spec. 120Hz or lower. Here is a Dolby PDF on LFE that can explain some things much more eloquently than I. www.dolby.com/uploadedFiles/Assets/US/Doc/Professional/38_LFE.pdfKey point to remember. LFE does not equal subwoofer. Oh yes, that I know. But does the LPF affect only the LFE or whatever is going to the subwoofer? |
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Post by bootman on Sept 8, 2014 12:15:02 GMT -5
Oh yes, that I know. But does the LPF affect only the LFE or whatever is going to the subwoofer? Good question for Emotiva. The logic I see is how I described above. |
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