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Post by memotiva on Sept 23, 2014 13:04:06 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the Fusion is really a UMC-200 and UPA-700 combo? It seems like it would be and it would be a bargain given that it has pre-outs to expand and its cheaper than the UMC-200 alone.
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Post by MaisterK on Sept 23, 2014 14:22:27 GMT -5
Interesting point of view. If it is, that's good business. Should be sold through BestBuy.
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Post by bootman on Sept 23, 2014 14:30:32 GMT -5
Close enough that it should not make that much of a difference. A no brainer if that is what you are looking for. Don't tell anyone or else they will sell out quickly.  |
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Post by garbulky on Sept 23, 2014 15:02:17 GMT -5
I wouldn't call it identical to the UPA-700. The UPA-700 has a larger transformer and more capacitors than the rest of the u-series and fusion. Looking at the specs, the UPA-700 is able to do a little bit more power.
The real question is how close is it in sound quality to the umc-200?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 23, 2014 16:33:33 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the Fusion is really a UMC-200 and UPA-700 combo? It seems like it would be and it would be a bargain given that it has pre-outs to expand and its cheaper than the UMC-200 alone. According to Emotiva they are the two units circuitry and parts, however I don't believe the power supply of the single unit would match that of the two units combined. This is probably why the 8100 is rated at 65 watts / channel and the 700 is at 80. There's also the issue of adjacent circuitry adding more noise and distortion. If you were just going to just use it as a processor it would generate more heat (because you can't turn the amps off), it would also consume more power for the same reason. That said I've built a system with one and it worked very well and sounded quite good (using the processor and amps), and the price is exceptional. If it were me and I just wanted a processor I'd get the UMC-200, but if you might use the amps or really need to save some bucks the 8100 should work very well. Interesting point of view. If it is, that's good business. Should be sold through BestBuy. If they did that it wouldn't be such a good buy, or Best Buy |
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Post by chaosrv on Sept 23, 2014 16:44:14 GMT -5
I just ordered a Fusion 8100 from the warehouse sale to build out a modest bedroom system. The price is simply too good not to give it a shot. If I need more power (which I doubt) I can add a UPA-700 without issue.
I would venture a guess that the UMC-200 would edge out the Fusion in sound quality simply due to the design (separates vs all in one chassis)
that said, for my intended use in the bedroom, I really doubt I would be able to tell the difference. Space is also an issue for me so the Fusion fits the bill nicely (and it has the added convenience of bluetooth built in)
I have an XDA-2 and a Mini-X in the bedroom now and love the combo. I want to do surround now which is why I am going the Fusion route. I plan on doing a direct comparison for stereo sound. The XDA is slim enough for me to keep it if I prefer it over the Fusion. I will be sure to post my thoughts as soon as I get delivery & jave a chance to listen.
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Post by unsound on Sept 23, 2014 19:29:36 GMT -5
If you were just going to just use it as a processor it would generate more heat (because you can't turn the amps off), it would also consume more power for the same reason. Are you saying that the pre-outs and the speaker outs are active at the same time? That is could I, if I wanted, power 7 channels using the 8100 and use the pre-outs to bi-amp the fronts? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 23, 2014 20:43:04 GMT -5
If you were just going to just use it as a processor it would generate more heat (because you can't turn the amps off), it would also consume more power for the same reason. Are you saying that the pre-outs and the speaker outs are active at the same time? That is could I, if I wanted, power 7 channels using the 8100 and use the pre-outs to bi-amp the fronts? You should be able to use it as a Receiver and a Processor simultaneously. Edit: You might want to look at the manual to be sure. |
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Post by chaosrv on Sept 24, 2014 12:33:08 GMT -5
I'm sure there is a way (while voiding the warranty, of course) of disabling the amp section entirely. I know Outlaw did this a few years back with a Marantz receiver and had some success with the product. I sure as heck wouldn't try it but it could probably be done.
Correct me if I am wrong but even with the amp "on" the power draw & heat should be minimal (thought not non-existent) if there are no speakers connected. It would be like turning a light switch on with no light bulb - nothing to complete the circuit. Besides, It isn't running in Class A all the time or anything.
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Post by memotiva on Sept 24, 2014 20:08:30 GMT -5
I'll just get some nice metal scizzors, open it up and see what happens How much extra power do you think it would draw if I'm using another amp. I'll probably do the foolish thing and spend more for the UMC. I want a digital amp for efficiency sake, so having an AB amp sitting there doesn't make much sense. |
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Post by Sl@mJ@ck on Sept 25, 2014 20:32:59 GMT -5
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Post by TempTag on Sept 25, 2014 20:39:21 GMT -5
Yes, more conservatively rated and with preouts added - but otherwise the same - they even use the same firmware.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 25, 2014 21:29:42 GMT -5
Yup, when I said above I built a system with one, that's what I actually used, and the price is better now. |
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Post by TempTag on Sept 26, 2014 20:54:26 GMT -5
One interesting bit on the Sherbourn and Fusion 8100 units - today I had a chance to try a Sherbourn remote (which looks identical to the Fusion remote) on a Fusion and it did not work. It seems there are some differences?
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Post by eirik84 on Sept 29, 2014 13:00:17 GMT -5
I wouldn't call it identical to the UPA-700. The UPA-700 has a larger transformer and more capacitors than the rest of the u-series and fusion. Looking at the specs, the UPA-700 is able to do a little bit more power. The real question is how close is it in sound quality to the umc-200? But when you look at the Maximum powerdraw on the back uf the units it stands: UPA-700: 600 watts Fusion: 800 watts Sounds a bit odd that they fitted a better transformer in the Fusion.. |
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Post by garbulky on Sept 29, 2014 14:05:29 GMT -5
I may be mistaken on the transformer....
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