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Post by Jinx Jinxed on Nov 2, 2014 15:08:24 GMT -5
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Post by Jinx Jinxed on Nov 2, 2014 15:14:33 GMT -5
woops forgot 1 part
external soundcard: Behringer UCA 202 (23 euro)
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Post by garbulky on Nov 3, 2014 1:01:18 GMT -5
I advice look for a different amp than the trend. That is a class T amp - similar to a class D amp. And the power it produces is tiny. Much less than the mini-x. There are a lot of T-amps much much cheaper than that that produce the same amount of power as the trends. I personally wouldn't touch it just based on its power specs. (It's only got 10 watts of power @ 8 ohms).
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 3, 2014 7:00:47 GMT -5
If you want an outstanding low powered amplifier, try the Qinpu A-6000.  |
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Post by Jinx Jinxed on Nov 3, 2014 8:27:45 GMT -5
what are tube amps exactly?
i tried some googling and i get lots of ''guitar'' uses for these types of amps.
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Post by moko on Nov 3, 2014 9:32:43 GMT -5
i suggest forget the subwoofer and stay with mini-x. small bookshelf speakers don't always integrate well with a sub especially the one without phase switch. not only it will sound detached like sub-satellite, the sub will not maximized due to large phase shift.
with more power from mini-x, cone movements from the speakers are more controlled resulting in tighter bass and perceived (not real) deeper bass. btw the diamond series from whaferdale are known to warm sounding. this may not a good combination for tube amp which mostly warm sounding.
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Post by garbulky on Nov 3, 2014 11:20:53 GMT -5
I would personally just buy an airmotiv 4 setup or airmotiv 5 setup. Add a behringer DAC to it and the control freak and be done with it. They have a fair amount of bass to it and the amp is inbuilt so you don't have to spend money on it. If you still lack the bass then all that is needed is a set of splitters to add the subwoofer. The airmotivs are selling VERY cheap.  I've heard them and they bring 80-95% of my $1500 axiom speakers. emotiva.com/products/emotiva-pro/powered-monitors-0 |
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Post by Jinx Jinxed on Nov 3, 2014 12:38:15 GMT -5
Bookshelf: Wharfedale 121 , (238 euro a pair)
Subwoofer: Yamaha YST-SW216 , (179 euro)
Amp: Teac UD-H01. (350 euro)
FINAL OFFER!.................maybe.
what you guys think about this 1?
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Post by garbulky on Nov 3, 2014 13:37:51 GMT -5
Bookshelf: Wharfedale 121 , (238 euro a pair)
Subwoofer: Yamaha YST-SW216 , (179 euro)
Amp: Teac UD-H01. (350 euro)
FINAL OFFER!.................maybe.
what you guys think about this 1?
The teac is not an amplifier. It will not work to power your speakers. |
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Post by garbulky on Nov 3, 2014 13:52:20 GMT -5
FWIW most cheap speakers I've heard tend to be muddy in the mids and a bit boxy sounding, unable to reproduce the detail in the extended highs and the soundstage sounds....well not too great. Also bookshelf speakers tend to drop off in bass pretty fast. The airmotivs have nearly none of those issues - especially if you have a small living room, or a regular bedroom. It has a heck of a soundstage ....very wide, an almost transparent (feeling) window into the sound. It's only slightly negative sound signature is a subtle treble brilliance and not the absolute best in mid-range thickness....but only when you compare it to a $1500 floor standing speaker with twelve drivers. And in a large room, the bass won't be enough. But it's clean and in a small room it's much more reasonable. Other than other similar studio monitors like adam audio, it pretty much betters most passive speakers in its price range. Add to that they have powerful inbuilt double amps with an active crossover, if your room isn't large I think you will be more satisfied with it than most choices out there. Remember with the other choices, you have to pay for the amp. With these you don't. To include a subwoofer (which I don't think you';d need, you would buy a pair of RCA splitters and simply pass one of the split pairs into the subwoofer and the other split pair goes to the airmotivs. Your setup would be Behringer UCA 202 to Emotiva control freak ($40) To Emotiva pro airmnotiv 4 (or 5) Check my review out: : emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/35418/garbulkys-airmotiv-4-reviewHere's a video of the 4 inch airmotiv 4 in action. That big sound is coming from the smallest speakers only! |
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Post by Jinx Jinxed on Nov 3, 2014 18:26:26 GMT -5
Thats a nice review (y)  but aren't they Studio monmitors? witch tend to sound flat-ish  i own the KRK Rockits RP6 G3 atm i kinda like them when playing good quality music on it but most of the time it isn't satisfying.  on low volume it sounds empty/flat/very accurate but(not enjoyable to listen to) but keep in mind, thats on low volume. and with pretty decent volume it starts sounds better and better ,bas is beginning to really kick in and the ''warm'' sound are also coming out.. but just not enough for my likings/taste. it sounds great with reasonable volume and a good quality soundtrack but i feel it could be much better with a hifi speaker instead of studio monitors. movies and games on the other end has no bass whatsoever witch u would want while watching an action movies for example and same story with games. now u might suggest me to add a sub to it but then i think ,with a better and more enjoyable 2.0 speakers compared to a studio monitor , wouldn't 2.1 HIFI system sound alot more nice to ur ears then a 2.1 studio monitors? i can totally understand that adding a sub might or wil improve its sound quality (or atleast for my feeling), but wouldn't adding a subwoofer to a hifi sound-ish pair of speakers improve your listening experience a tad than adding a sub to a pair of speakers u find kinda mehh. i also don't like the auto standby mode witch seems buggy at some times and begins to irritate. it gets fairly hot when playing music/sounds for maybe 6 hours on low volume witch make it shut itself off, forcing me to use my headset for 30 minutes. (i can send it back and get my money returned till somewhere december witch i probaly will) so i prefer not to have studio monitors anymore. and also the Airmotiv , no matter how great it sounds price/performance wise, i still would have to pay a ton of shipping cost for it. (can't find any dealer here that sells it in where i live) bummer! i got the KRK rp6 g3 with focusrite 2i2 for a total of 501 euro. now don't get me wrong, the KRK's sounds good but just not good enough for 500 euro and i think it can sound way better and more enjoyable than that for this price range to max 700 but then again, its a studio monitor.  |
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Post by garbulky on Nov 3, 2014 18:36:29 GMT -5
Oh you already got the KRK? I've heard it. It's actually pretty nice. I iamgine the airmotivs would sound similar though not identical. But in the same general type of soundn. I used the airmotiv in my living room. What I would do is try out the KRK's with a DAC first. See what you think. They tend to sound different with a better source ...like the behringer UCA 202. So...flat-ish isn't a bad thing. Flat means that it is neutral in frequency response which is nowhere near the same thing as boring or lacking dynamics or not having enough treble or bass punch - which I suspect is what you meant. |
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Post by Jinx Jinxed on Nov 3, 2014 18:52:49 GMT -5
i really appreciate ur advice but i don't think a dac can change its character of a speaker, especially with studio monitors, Studio monitors are designed to produce a near-flat frequency response. This is very convenient during mixing, because you're hearing exactly what's on your screen. For general listening to music, i'd go with a good pair of hi-fi speakers, as they are designed to sound pleasant, and giving you the best listener experience. This means that their frequency response is not as flat as that of monitors, but in general this makes them sound 'better' but i bet u know that long before i did xD!
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Post by garbulky on Nov 3, 2014 20:48:06 GMT -5
i really appreciate ur advice but i don't think a dac can change its character of a speaker, especially with studio monitors, Studio monitors are designed to produce a near-flat frequency response. This is very convenient during mixing, because you're hearing exactly what's on your screen. For general listening to music, i'd go with a good pair of hi-fi speakers, as they are designed to sound pleasant, and giving you the best listener experience. This means that their frequency response is not as flat as that of monitors, but in general this makes them sound 'better' but i bet u know that long before i did xD! you're quite welcome! This may be surprising but most hif speakers are designed to sound neutral or flat...but not everyone of them. Some of them are indeed voiced in a certain way to give a pleasant sound. But in general their goal tends to be a very flat frequency response without any abberant highs and low dips in frequency response, as well as usually being very resolving of the sound. So little details can be heard. Studio monitors however are optimized for near field listening which is probably the sound you are not enamored with while hifi stuff is designed more for listening at a distance. But keep in mind, that's an entry level studio monitor (even though it's pretty nice), not every studio monitor will sound like it. For instance the ones with the air motion tweeters - like on the airmotivs - have a slightly different sound signature. Anyway, when you get your behringer DAC in with your wharfdales, hook the behringer up with the KRK's just one time and tell me if there was a difference in sound, I would be interested in your opinion. Good luck with your search. Hope you find what you are looking for. My sympathies to your struggles with the shipping jacking up the cost! |
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Post by jinxed on Nov 4, 2014 17:37:23 GMT -5
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Post by cheapthryl on Nov 4, 2014 18:42:40 GMT -5
Now that sub has pass thru. Run your speaker wires from the amplifier to the sub input. Then run speaker wire from sub output to your speakers. Volume control will raise and lower both sub and speakers. This will give you stereo to your speakers and both channels combined for your sub. Don't worry, the sub will still operate with its own internal amplifier.
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Post by garbulky on Nov 4, 2014 19:17:53 GMT -5
I think this setup will work! Keep in mind the amp isn't super powerful. But it's not bad. It'll get you rockin The cool thing is that you do not have to buy the behringer DAC as the amp has a dac. And all your volume control will be done on the amp itself. Your subwoofer has both RCA inputs so just connect the subwoofer out RCA to the LEFT input on the subwoofer where it says mono. So it goes PC->TEAC via USB (or coax digital or optical - whatever you have)->sub via SUB output via RCA cable to RCA left. The connect the speaker cables to your amp. Don't spend money on exotic speaker cables. But do get at least 16 guage or thicker cables. (thicker has a lower number). At the very least you want 18 guage. Now that sub has pass thru. Run your speaker wires from the amplifier to the sub input. Then run speaker wire from sub output to your speakers. Volume control will raise and lower both sub and speakers. This will give you stereo to your speakers and both channels combined for your sub. Don't worry, the sub will still operate with its own internal amplifier. The sub does not have passthrough. It just takes stereo RCA's. |
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Post by cheapthryl on Nov 4, 2014 19:24:50 GMT -5
Hey Garbulky, He's showing a different sub in his last post.
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Post by cheapthryl on Nov 4, 2014 19:27:52 GMT -5
I guess it is the same sub but pic looks different this time.
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Post by garbulky on Nov 4, 2014 19:29:08 GMT -5
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I've heard them and they bring 80-95% of my $1500 axiom speakers. 
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